Optics Review: Carclo Precision and Others....

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Zman sent me samples of some new unfimiliar collimators designed for use with Luxeons for me to evaluate (thanks Zman!). As of now, these are not available in the US yet. I was suprised when he choose me to ask if I could help. As promised here is my review along with some other contenders for comparison.

These optics are made by Carclo-Optics, the Technical Plastics division of Carclo plc, located in England. More info can be found here. They are made of a harder plastic, polycarbonate, as opposed to acrylic (I noticed the difference immediately when grinding/cutting away some of the tabs), so they should be stronger, withstand higher temperatures, and a bit more scratch resistant. EDIT 4/23: A quote from Ian of Carclo Technical Plastics, "The material these lenses are made from is polycarbonate but the material isn't in fact harder, it does take higher heat but does scratch more easily. The reason we went for this material is the refractive index, which enables us to get a tighter beam output angle.

There are 6 in total along with 3 different types of holders. 3 models of the optics are nothing I have seen before and are very interesting (marked with *). They are classified into two categories:

Classic Range (Datasheet PDF):
Narrow/6 deg. - p/n. 10003
Medium/15 deg. - p/n. 10003/15
Wide/25 deg. - p/n. 10003/25
Eliptical (Line)/25x6 (*) - p/n. 10003/L25

Specialist Range (Datasheet PDF):
Super Narrow/2 deg. (*) - p/n. 10025
Fibre Coupling Optic (*) - p/n. 10034

The pics below will help show why the 25x6, 2deg, & Fibre caught my attention. The Fibre lens was designed for reflecting light into fiber optic cables/bundles and "backlighting" applications such as screen displays, etc. They also have an optic in development for use with HD/Lambertians that emits a 5 degree wide beam in a full 360 degree area coverage.

There is one circular and two hex type holders which are available in different colors, black, clear, & white. These are also made of polycarbonate material. The circular type holder is identical to the ones found on Star/Os. The two hex holders are designed for use with stars, LuxI & LuxIII/V. They also have a tri-optic holder available. Please view the datasheet for more info and specs. (Holders Datasheet PDF)

Ok, enough jibber jabber, on with the pics!

From left to right: 6deg, Fibre, 15deg, 25deg, 25x6deg
carclo_top.jpg

carclo_side.jpg


The 2deg! (ooooh, ahhhh, /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinser2.gif)
2deg_top.jpg

2deg_side.jpg

2deg_bottom.jpg

2deg_angle.jpg



It fits into a MagC/D head perfectly. An additional lens o-ring like the one that comes stock will be needed to fill in the gap (prevent it from moving foward and back). Too bad the head doesn't screw down no where close to bringing the collimator into focus. Nothing a little machining away of the threads or additional threading can't fix. Or a heatsink designed long enough to bring the emitter well into the head would work too.
2deg_mag-head.jpg



The optic holders (clear hex for LuxI, black hex for LuxIII/V)
optic-holders.jpg



The contenders, from left to right,
Top row: MagAA reflector, MagAA sputtered reflector, S017XA Reflector, Polished McFlood
Bottom row: NX-01, NX-05, Fraen LP, Fraen 30 degree
reflectors-optics.jpg



Beamshots taken at 3ft. from the wall. The ruler used for scale is 2ft. long. The camera's focus, exposure auto balance, & shutter speed were all locked (I don't know all the features of my camera yet and I didn't know what else I should have locked). I choose only to test with HD/Lambertion since that is what most of us are using these days and limited the review to only optics/reflectors in the same size category. The test luxeon used in all but one beamshot is a Q3J-HD BB500. The LuxV is a V2T BB700.
optics_beamshots.jpg


optics_beamshots_intensity.jpg



The 6deg optic is identical in dimensions and performance as the optic used in the Longbow Micra. I'm not sure if the Mini uses the same optic but I'm assuming it does. I won't say that LongBow does in fact use Carclo optics in their lights because I don't know that for sure but they are identical.

The 2deg is something I would like to get a hold of and modify a Mag to use. I must return the one I have now back to Zman but at least I got to play with it and get to keep the others. The 25x6 optic caught me by surprise, something I never expected to come out of an optic. The 15deg performed very similar to the Fraen 30deg when de-focused as seen in the pics. I'm not sure if it was supposed to be that way since most of the Carclo optics perform best when spaced out a bit from the emitter. The holders of course provide the correct spacing for most of the optics if not supposed to be all.

After evaluating all these optics, the NX-01 is still my favorite optic in it's size class for use with HD/Lambertians, second would be Carclo's 6deg.


Some McFlood comparisons:
Beamshots taken on the ceiling with me laying on the floor, about 7ft. distance. The widest part of the flood beam is 8ft. (not seen in the pics). The outermost ring just ouside of the "hotspot" with the LD (barely seen in the pics) is just short of 6ft. The "intense" part of the "hotspot" of the HD is just over 4ft.
mcflood_beamshots.jpg



TIA for any comments/feedback and thanks for viewing!

-darkzero-
 
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IlluminatingBikr

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Re: Carclo Precision Optics Review and Others....

Great post! Excellent beamshots and a well-done comparison.

While the NX01 and 6 degree carclo certainly have a nice hotspot, I prefer the S017XA. It has a slightly less intense hotspot, but with spill!
 

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Re: Carclo Precision Optics Review and Others....

I can see why Zman picked you /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif

This is an awesome review. Thanks!!!
 

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Re: Carclo Precision Optics Review and Others....

What Hoghead said. Nice going DZ! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif
 

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Re: Carclo Precision Optics Review and Others....

[ QUOTE ]
IlluminatingBikr said:
Great post! Excellent beamshots and a well-done comparison.

While the NX01 and 6 degree carclo certainly have a nice hotspot, I prefer the S017XA. It has a slightly less intense hotspot, but with spill!

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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif, man I never knew how hard writing and putting together a review can be!

Aaron, good point. I forgot about how good spill can be. The MagAA reflector has more spill and a brighter hot spot than the S017XA reflector. It's kind of like a baby PM6 reflector. The NX-01 and Carclo 6 deg are my preferences when in regards to optics of this size only. They both don't have any spill though. The MagAA reflector is still my favorite reflector in it's size although I heard Brinkmanns perform better but I haven't tried them. Just my opinions though.
 

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I find this optics review very helpful. After read this, I could decide what to choose between Fraen LP or NX-05 for FireFly 2. Thanks darkzero /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif
 

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Now them's what I call *Beamshots*. the CU's of the reflectors are pretty darn nice as well. Thanks. I'm heading to England in June. Any clue how available they are over there?...Oh! you have a link..never mind. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif
Good Grief! I went to school not 10 miles from them- I think I'll pay then a personal visit.
 

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Re: Carclo Precision Optics Review and Others....

Aten, if your serious about paying them a visit when you travel there in June, we definitely need to talk! Please check your PM.

BTW, what is "CU"? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon3.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thinking.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinser2.gif

thx
 

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Great review darkzero! I wonder if Mr. Bulk or Otokoyama might want to test the 2 degree optic to see if it could be a Bulkhead candidate? Gentlemen are you interested?
 

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Re: Carclo Precision Optics Review and Others....

The 2 degree, it looks the same size hotspot as other optics. Does it stay smaller at longer distances vs other optics? or is it just simply brighter? Would this be comperable the "alien light beam" optic Jarhead made?

The 25 looks more of a flood than the McFlood!
The eliptical looks neat. Would be good headlights for an RC car!

The 360/5 se optic looks neat too. would make a killer acrlyic back/side light device!
 

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Re: Carclo Precision Optics Review and Others....

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IsaacHayes said:
The 2 degree, it looks the same size hotspot as other optics. Does it stay smaller at longer distances vs other optics? or is it just simply brighter? Would this be comperable the "alien light beam" optic Jarhead made?

The 25 looks more of a flood than the McFlood!
The eliptical looks neat. Would be good headlights for an RC car!

The 360/5 se optic looks neat too. would make a killer acrlyic back/side light device!

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Isaac, yes the 2deg does a better job at keeping a really tight focus at greater distances than the others. Of course at greater distances it doesn't stay as small as the in the beamshot pictured. It was the brightest of all the contenders in the review. I wish I still had the 2deg so I could take a beamshot at a further distance. It's on it's way back to Zman already. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Yeah, the 25deg is way more flood than the polished McFlood in the review but the McFlood was used with a HD here and not a LD as it was designed for. I just included the polished McFlood in the review because it's performance with a HD was unexpected and I wanted to share.

Hey that's a good idea for the 25x6! If I still had my gas car it would be on.

I'm curious how the 360/5 will perform too. The first optic for a SE if someone else doesn't come out with one first. Not for any flashlight of course. I wonder if it will work together with a large reflector? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thinking.gif
 

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DZ: the 360/5 isn't made for the SE. It's for the HD but makes it emit light like a SE. They say the HD with this optic is 4x as bright as a SE alone. They say you can use it for signal beacons or lighting up acrylic displays/etc.
 

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oops, guess I didn't read it fully. Wonder how I missed that as it clearly states it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon3.gif And here I thought it was going to be the first optic for a SE. Thanks for pointing that out, I will edit my post.
 

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DZ: you list 5 optics, but only show 4 pictures here:
6deg, Fibre, 15deg, 25deg, 25x6deg I guess the 25x6 is missing? What does it look like? Is it round?

Also, does the polished McFlood hotspot widen up more when aimed into a room? Is it still huge even flood enough? Does it have the added bonus of being a little brighter but still even flood vs the LD?
 

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great post!
and this huge optic is soooo beautiful!
I'd be in for one just to have it in my hands ... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
bernhard
 

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Re: Carclo Precision Optics Review and Others....

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IsaacHayes said:
DZ: you list 5 optics, but only show 4 pictures here:
6deg, Fibre, 15deg, 25deg, 25x6deg I guess the 25x6 is missing? What does it look like? Is it round?

Also, does the polished McFlood hotspot widen up more when aimed into a room? Is it still huge even flood enough? Does it have the added bonus of being a little brighter but still even flood vs the LD?

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I posted the wrong picture. The 25deg was left out of the old picture. The 25deg looks very similiar to the 15deg and is hard to tell them apart. I have updated the pics.

The hotspot with the polished McFlood and HD does widen out at farther distances but is still more "intense" than with a LD. The widest part of the flood beam is the same as a LD but the "flood" of the beam is not as even as a LD would be as you can see in the pics. I have updated the post with some McFlood comparisons.
 

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Yepper.....

Super, super stuff darkzero.
 

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Just received the optics back from darkzero and the little surprise. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Thanks again for doing the review and for the little extra. Kudos to darkzero--yet another a stand up good guy to interact with on CPF.
 
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