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    Default HPX Xenon bulb issues - Alan or anyone ?

    Earlier this year Alan brought up the issue of the Philips Xenon bulbs like HPX20, HPX40. Further posts from other users showed that the HPX20 is used in the Coleman Lantern - I found the same bulb in Lumilites 2D "Xenon" flashlight. (BTW - another "Xenon" advertised flashlight just used the standard Halogen [possibly Xenon in there as well] Philips HPR52)

    A bike light I saw is also supposed to use the HPX21 - so we have at least 4 bulbs - HPX20,21,40,41 we CPF flashaholics know of - so why the f*****g h**l I canīt find any of these bulbs anywhere, no specs - NO FREAKING NOTHING ????
    And even Philips headquarter in the Netherlands denies the existence of these Xenon bulbs and claims this might be a counterfeit Philips product and asked me to send them a bulb when I insisted the HPX20 I had on hand reads Philips on them ??????? (Didnīt heard of them since sending the bulb ....)
    And the factory in HK Alan talked about does not "produce any flashlight bulbs" according to Philips headquarters. The HPX xx canīt be found in any Philips online or printed catalog - nobody I ever talked to seems to know about - so what is going on - ALAN ???

    As the HPX20 I had does really throw such a nice beam (thx Alan for letting us know) and replaced the HPR52 in my Mag 2D I would really be interested in the HPX40 as well - and possibly especially in any 3,6V to 4V version (for 3 cells) as well.

    So does anyone know about these bulbs ?
    Does anyone has any specs on output / lumens
    Does anyone knows about the complete HPX line
    Does anyone knows how to get any (in europe) ?

    Alan ? Anyone ?? HELP !!!

    TIA for any help

    Klaus

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    Default Re: HPX Xenon bulb issues - Alan or anyone ?

    Philips is a *huge* organization. I don't know whom you have talked to and which division he/she belongs to and what's his/her capacity in the division.

    Light bulb for flash light is under *Automotive* division of Lighting operation. While Philips has many manufacturing facilities for their products, most of Halogen flashlight lamps are manufactured in Germany, Argon, Kyptron and the latest Xenon lamps are produced in Hong Kong. Their production facitlities in Hong Kong has long been established decades ago. Philips also has other production facilities for other products such as electric appliance, semiconductor.... etc in Hong Kong.

    Let's get back to those lamps. The information you needed is listed as followings:

    HPX20 2.4v 0.93A 26 Lumens
    HPX21 2.4v 0.80A 21 Lumens
    HPX40 4.8v 0.79A 66.5 Lumens
    HPX41 4.8v 0.90A 78 Lumens

    For 3.6v lamps, you could consider HPX30.

    HPX 30 3.6v 0.82A 45.5 Lumens

    I hope this help.

    Alan

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    Default Re: HPX Xenon bulb issues - Alan or anyone ?

    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Klaus:
    The HPX xx canīt be found in any Philips online or printed catalog - nobody I ever talked to seems to know about - so what is going on - ALAN ???
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I do have the latest full catelog of lighting bulbs for flashlight from Philips. The catelog is not for general public but for flashlight manufacturers. If you planned to purchase tens of thousand of them, they will be more than happy sending you a few copies.

    HPX is the latest generation of Xenon bulbs from Philips and replace the old XPR Xenon series.

    Alan

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    Default Re: HPX Xenon bulb issues - Alan or anyone ?

    Alan,

    thanx a lot for your clarifications

    Klaus

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    @Alan,

    I bugged Philips today "a bit" and seriously complained about such poor service !

    One or two more questions to you though:

    Are there more of this series ? Like possibly a HPX31 (seems to lack) - or others in the 6V range ?

    Any online material you could point to ?

    TIA

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    Default Re: HPX Xenon bulb issues - Alan or anyone ?

    Hi Klaus,

    HPX22 2.2V 0.61A 12.3 Lumens
    HPX23 2.4V 0.70A 15 Lumens
    HPX42 4.7V 0.40A 27.5 Lumens
    HPX50 6.0V 0.47A 49 Lumens
    HPX51 6.0V 0.55A 52 Lumens
    HPX60 7.2V 0.85A 115 Lumens

    The only information I could find on line are those old obsolete XPR lamps.

    I hope this help.

    Alan

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    Default Re: HPX Xenon bulb issues - Alan or anyone ?

    didn't anybody seen the new "Xelogen" type of lamp on vvv.thhclighting.com ?

    they're supposedly the next replacement for Halogen (or so they said -> fingers crossed [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img])

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    HPX is a registered trademark of Welch Allyn although none of the lamps mentioned in this discussion are Welch Allyn lamps. A simple yahoo search for "HPX lamp" will bring up literally hundereds of references to Welch Allyn and no other.

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    As for Xelogen ... these appear to be simple gas filled glass lamps. They are very careful not to say what the gas is or even if there is any gas in there! The best efficacy offered at 50W is 15 lumens/watt which is very low for a 50W halogen lamp which would be 20 lumens/watt. De-rating the halogen lamp probably could give more than 5000 hours life too.... This looks like more sizzle than steak. Halogen is safe for a while yet.

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    Default Re: HPX Xenon bulb issues - Alan or anyone ?

    @ike,

    I like your informative posts but you might need to talk to Philips if you donīt like their new bulbs to be named HPX. You couldnīt find anything about them online (as we did befor Alan helped out) as they are just the latest new items from Philips and I personally hope they will become available soon for the general market. BTW - they are available to OEMS already it seems as Lumilite, Coleman and others are using them already. And on these Xelogen bulbs - same feeling here [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

    CU

    Klaus

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    Default Re: HPX Xenon bulb issues - Alan or anyone ?

    Klaus:

    I'm sure WAs legal folk are on the job. A possible reason people might be having trouble finding these bulbs is Philips realized their error and are looking for another brand designation!

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    Default Re: HPX Xenon bulb issues - Alan or anyone ?

    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR> By the way, will WA consider set up on line store (with minimum amount
    like Carley) for high preformance replacement bulb market? As more and
    more people uses rechargeables, they might want higher output lamps. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] I have been following this thread for just this responce. I know I would buy replacement bulbs for all my incandescents. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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    Default Re: HPX Xenon bulb issues - Alan or anyone ?

    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ike:
    Klaus:

    I'm sure WAs legal folk are on the job. A possible reason people might be having trouble finding these bulbs is Philips realized their error and are looking for another brand designation!
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I guess the Philips catelog in my hand will become collective item soon:-)

    By the way, will WA consider set up on line store (with minimum amount like Carley) for high preformance replacement bulb market? As more and more people uses rechargeables, they might want higher output lamps.

    Alan

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    Default Re: HPX Xenon bulb issues - Alan or anyone ?

    walamp.comweb pagecan handle on line orders with a $100 minimum ... credit card only orders. We'll ship anywhere in the world. The site's parametric search engine will assist in lamp slection. Click on the Incandescent radio button and see the lamp selection wizard.

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    Default Re: HPX Xenon bulb issues - Alan or anyone ?

    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ike:
    walamp.comweb pagecan handle on line orders with a $100 minimum ... credit card only orders. We'll ship anywhere in the world. The site's parametric search engine will assist in lamp slection. Click on the Incandescent radio button and see the lamp selection wizard.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Those questions for the search are too difficult to fill up especially for those bulbs comes with flash light. Do you think that if it is possible that we could simply fill in replacement bulb for XXXX (stinger, SL4AA, UK D4, DB8 .... etc). Of course, I don't expect that you support those bulbs with special assembly like those in SF or UtraStinger (do you?)

    Alan

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    Default Re: HPX Xenon bulb issues - Alan or anyone ?

    Talk about resurrecting a dead thread.....

    Anyway, once again Big Lots has come through for me. My local store had, hidden away in the automotive section, 12 packs of the Lumilite Zenon bulbs. Got all they had at 59 cents per pack of 2.

    I ended up with 6 2-packs of Lumilite LZ13, (marked Phillips HPX41 4.8v 0.90A), and 6 packs of the Lumilite LZ3 (marked Phillips HPX30 3.6v 0.82A).

    They both work great in the Rayovac rubber 4AA lights (2.99 at Big Lots). I matched the HPX 30 with 4 NiMH (Panasonic 1600 mAh, 4 for $4.99 at Big Lots)and the HPX41 with 4 alkalines, and both have excellent output.

    It probably sounds like I work there, but I don't. I'm just stoked from being able to accumulate such great lights for such a small investment!

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    Default Re: HPX Xenon bulb issues - Alan or anyone ?

    DDRROOOOOOLLLLLLL - Wayne - I need samples [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

    Be a nice CPF-er and lemme have one each [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

    Iīm pretty shure as the starter of this thread I deserve so [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

    Pretty PLLLEEEAAAZZZEEEE

    Klaus

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    Default Re: HPX Xenon bulb issues - Alan or anyone ?

    WayneM...you ARE alive! [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]
    Have you gotten my emails? I'm still interested in the DB 6 AA and would like to PayPal you for it...email me.

    On topic...I haven't even heard of HPX bulbs...what lights do they come standard in?

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    Default Re: HPX Xenon bulb issues - Alan or anyone ?

    Klaus and Chris --- E-mails sent.

    There seems to be a demand for these Lumilite Zenon bulbs. Has anyone else checked out their local Big Lots (or whatever the're called in your specific region)?

    From the earlier discussions they may be a rare comodity and out of production permenently, and something nice to have - if not for yourself, then to spread a little goodwill among fellow CPF members.

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    Default Re: HPX Xenon bulb issues - Alan or anyone ?

    Gentlemen,
    Only ones I can find in my area are Rayovac-labelled Phillips HPX21's (WalMart). I ran across some loose binned HPR53's (4.0V/.8A) at Ace Hardware. Never have seen these before. They work exceptionally well in my 4AA NiMH lights. Sure wish I could find some HPX30's and 41's.

    John

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