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    Can you just mark me down for the Pila then, or should I PM you? (this is the one field I was unsure of) (actually, I'm still unsure, but....)

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    Never mind Trashman - you can make up your mind later when all details are out.

    By the way the light is most likely gonna be watersealed not just to 3ft but to 100ft or maybe even 200ft while keeping the same look (exposed battery and optics) [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]. So you can go diving with the light. How did we do it? Getting rid of the O-Rings and replace it with something better....
    More about it later...

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    Any guess as to the price upgrade for the Ti?

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    No not yet... however it might not be that much more expensive (if it isn't) all lights will simply just be titanium...

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    The signup list for the gattling light will most likely be closed after this coming weekend. So if you want one, and havent signed up yet, signing up before I'll close it is the only guaranteed way you will get one of these unique lights (if this stays the only run - which depends on future interest). Also the light is produced at cost - so I don't make any money on this.

    For the people who signed up already I will send out final designs, options and costs hopefully by this coming Sunday or Monday or a litle after.

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    Great, I'll be waitin'!!

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    :throws hat in ring:

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    If the costs for the light will not get over 250,- Bucks i`ll take one.
    If i tell my wife that i`ll spend that much money for a flashlight she`ll probably kill me, so Psssssst !!!!

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    update: we got the quotes from the machine shop, using stainless steel we can make the targeted price of USD150. Still waiting for the quote on Titanium.
    Once I have the titanium quote I'll post final prices as well as how we'll do things regarding the variable brightness and K2 versions. I should get the titanium quote within the next couple of days

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    Hi Walter,

    if you make a new list you can change my order from 123 to Pila Batterie.
    I just need to know which pila, because i have to buy them.

    Thank you for making such a great Flashlight to such an amazing reasonable price compared to other Projects.

    Greetings,

    Bernd

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    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/paypal.gif[/img] for FINAL payment of 165.00USD. All info. included in "comments" section of PAYPAL. Do you require a separate e-mail Walter?? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thanks.gif[/img]

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    This is going to be a very small first run. And they're serialized! Kinda neat being part of such an exclusive club of less than 25 people! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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    OK!! Let me know!

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    How does stainless steel compare with aluminium in terms of heat conductivity? Which is cheaper?

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    Thanks to everyone, here are a couple of answers

    indenial I don't need a seperate email if all the info is in the comment section of paypal. I only need an email for the people that pay by check which is only one I think. It will be a very small run. I expect the total to be max 35 units - for less than 30 people.

    flashlight As far as the thermal conductivity of steel vs. aluminum. We don't anticipate any heatsinking problems, there will be allot of thermal mass available. The heating assembly method should make a good transfer from the center section to the rods. Also the design has several times the heatsinking area of a regular light so we should be fine. We'll test it once we get the first unit.

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    OK, I am confused. Did I miss something, or did the price change from 150 to 165, or is 165 for Titanium? Also, when are you going to want the remaining funds? I will be travelling the next couple of days, and will be back the end of the week.

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    Free I sent out an email to everyone who was on the sign up list, including you (birdseye..email). So you probably missed that email (or havent read it yet). So everything should be in there.

    The original price (USD150 for light without battery and shipping) hasnt changed, its still the same.

    However there are a lot of options you can add (such as batteries, chargers, Titanium etc..). If you get the basic R123 version it's still USD150. If you add batteries, Titanium, glow paint painted batteries, chargers you total would be a lot higher. I'll see whether I can post the information in here (however it is a lot)

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    OK HERE IS THE INFORMATION (shortened) THAT I SENT OUT TO EVERYONE ON THE SIGN UP LIST, POSTED IN THE SIGNUP THREAD.
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    EXCITING NEWS regarding the gattling light!!!! Final designs are ready and all prices are in. Renderings, detailed info and what you need to do if you want one of those are here.

    First What does the light look like and features:


    1) CHANGES to the information mentioned in the sign up post

    a) all lights will be Luxeon III (Delivery: November). Once the K2 becomes available you can send in the light for an upgrade to a K2. This upgrade will cost between USD30-40 (might change since it depends on the K2 price). We changed this because the K2 prototypes aren't even available (3 months delay so far), so my guess is that this moves their original estimated production back as well, meaning the K2 might take until March or April until we could deliver the light with it.

    b) all lights will be fixed brightness level lights for USD150. Once a multi brightness level version gets available you again have the option to upgrade your light to a multi brightness level version (by sending the light in and paying an additional USD100) once/if it gets available. I'll notify everyone when this option gets available. This simplifies things for us and you don't have to wait too long until you get this new toy.

    c) all lights will be highest quality stainless steel or Titanium. Cost without battery and shipping is USD 150 for stainless steal. In Titanium, the light costs USD 350 (The light is fairly complex and Titanium is hard to machine - if you know a machine shop that does complex stuff in Titanium cheap let me know)..

    2) New features (not mentioned in the sign up thread)

    c) The lights will come WITH a serial number as can be seen in the rendering above. (free)

    d) The light will probably have a lanyard hole for those who want to wear it on a key chain. (we are still trying to find a spot :-) where to put it)

    e) If you order an optional battery (see above) you have the option to have them painted with the brightest weatherproof glow paint available today (cost is $10/battery). That makes the battery inside of the rods glow once it gets dark. This should look pretty amazing. To give you an idea of how bright this glow paint is. When you shine light on it, then turn the light off, the glow paint will glow brighter for a couple of minutes then the commonly available one-way glow sticks. The glowing should last for several hours..

    f) The driver circuit board is a class 3 board (high reliability normally used for aerospace applications). We were able to get a NASA certified circuit board specialist to work on the design.

    g) The driver board (tests pending) will have an innovative feature (the guy is in the process of patenting that feature) which provides should provide an additional 15% of runtime compared to traditional circuits. This light will be the first one that is using this extended runtime feature and we might be the only ones (technology is derived from applications in the aerospace/military industry). Neat stuff, tests are still pending.

    h) The knob in the back to turn on the light and the battery lid are knurled (as you can see in the renderings). This simplifies operations such as turning the light on or off, and changing the battery.

    i) The fixed brightness level can be adjusted by removing the battery and using a screwdriver. This provides you with the possibility to tune your light either for brightness or runtime.

    j) Massive increase in sturdiness by using a heat-based assembly method. This means that when we assemble the lights we put the center section in an oven and heat it up. The result is that the holes through which the rods go through expand. The holes were designed so that at this point the rods can be slid in. The light is then cooled off, resulting in a shrinking of the holes. The disadvantage of this is that you probably can't change the rods to a longer set unless you use the same process (so additional rods as an option don't make sense anymore). However we thought the increase in sturdiness is worth sacrificing this option..

    k) Water proof to probably 100-200ft (this is only an educated guess / untested). Originally the goal was ip67 sealing (1 meter). The designer thinks that the changes should make the light water proof to 100-200ft. We'll test it once we have the first lights.


    Other information
    This information has not changed. The light is still using a constant current regulated driver with a Luxeon III driven @ maximum 1000mA to produce about 80 lumen (which is more then 4 times brighter then a Mag2D). The light is 1.125inch thick, and is using an NX05 optic.

    Disclaimer: This light is the first run of a prototype version and it is offered at cost (so we don't make any money on that). However a certain amount has been calculated in for unexpected things since this is a prototype run. Also we produce one light first then test it, and if it works as intended we do the remaining ones. Also the way this light is designed it should be extremely reliable, sturdy and have a long lifetime due to the much improved heat sink area compared to other similar sized lights. However as with other lights sold through cpf by other people, we can not offer any warranties other then that the light works when you get it. I think this should be clear to anybody. Of course if anything breaks let us know and we see what we can do to fix it (but you would have to pay for it).

    I am sure you will appreciate this light's beauty in terms of looks as well as engineering, a lot of time and money went into this project so far. For example each light will consist of 47 parts (rods, screws, frames, O-Rings, drivers, optics etc..) - just to give you an idea of the complexity.

    Thank you to those who signed up for being one of the founding fathers (or mothers) of this light :-D, and making production possible through your order.


    In return your serial number (V1/#####) will always show that you were part of this unique special group who made this light possible from the very beginning)


    IF YOU WANT ONE OF THOSE LIGHTS HERE IS WHAT YOU DO:

    A) PICK YOUR FINAL OPTIONS BY ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS

    1. MATERIAL: Do you want Stainless Steel (USD 150) or Titanium (USD 350)

    2. BATTERY: What battery do you want your light to accommodate? Pick one of these Options (by default I will use what you wanted when you signed up):
    -RCR123A (700mA rechargeable 123 cell)
    -PILA168S (1400mA, 2 times as long as 123) (add $12 per light to get the longer rods)

    3. LANYARD: Do you want a Lanyard hole if we can accommodate one? YES or NO

    4. OPTIONAL BATTERIES/CHARGER/GLOW PAINT
    Order optional glow painted batteries and charger to go along with your light.
    -How many protected rechargeable RCR123A batteries (costs $15 each) do you want?
    -How many protected rechargeable PILA168S batteries (costs $27 each) do you want?
    -Do you want to order a 2 battery charger? (RCR charger costs $25 / PILA charger costs $43): SORRY US PLUGS ONLY!!!
    -How many of those batteries do you want painted with the brightest weatherproof glow paint available today (add $10/battery)

    The PILA 168S come from a well known and respected dealer https://www.jsburlys.com/ (I added $1/battery for shipping to my address). The RCRs are from a local dealer. By the way the 123 light also works with regular one way 123 cells.
    A note regarding the RCR123s and PILA's. You will find cheaper higher capacity batteries on the web. However those are mostly unprotected cells. Unprotected means that they can blow up if you ride'em too hard - and trust me this light does ride'em hard. So this LIGHT REQUIRES PROTECTED CELLS. The batteries offered here are all protected, save and come from respected well known dealers.


    B) CALCULATE YOUR SHIPPING COSTS AND TOTAL
    DOMESTIC If the shipping address is within the United States: Shipping and Handling is: insured: $15 uninsured: $10
    INTERNATIONAL: insured: USD 40 uninsured: USD 20
    Let me know whether you want shipping insurance or not.

    Add your shipping costs to the costs of the light and options. Then deduct your prepayment of USD50.

    [b]C) SEND Paypal for the entire amount to email: mobile1 aat gmx.ch . Please add your answers regarding 1-material / 2-Battery, 3-Lanyard, 4-Optional Batteries, Charger, Glow Paint, 5-Insured or non insured shipping and 6-your cpf handle in the paypal comment section or by email to mobile1 aat gmx.ch

    As soon as all the pre signed up people have sent their options in (and paypal), I'll close the sign up list and production will start.

    I would appreciate it, if you are interested, if you can do the steps in the questions section as soon as possible. The rods (which seem to be the hardest part to manufacture) are done in Taiwan and have a fairly large lead time, meaning I need to get this out as fast as possible to make the deadline.


    Thanks again to everyone.

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    Walter, I don't know why I didn't recieve that e-mail [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] anyway, thanks for not posting my entire e-mail address here [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

    2 final questions, so that I can send you the funds, and information:

    1. I have never had a Titanium light, so I am kind of wondering, what it would look like. The regular SS seems to have sort of a matte look to it. Would the Titanium be shiny? Are there any other advantages to the Titanium (for the extra 200 smackers) like more durability, scratch resistance etc??

    2. Will the R123 light run on regular CR123's as well?

    Thanks, I am getting very excited. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif[/img]

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    PM sent to you.


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    Free I might have ended up in your junkmail filter. I never post email addresses or any other info, just wanted to let you know which one I have (sometimes people change email addresses)

    Answers regarding TI, well first I am a sucker for TI, my watch, my wife's engagement ring (allowed a pinch design impossible with platinum) and my wedding ring it's all TI, so my opinion might be a bit biased :-D

    The look is actually pretty much the same as stainless steel, kind of a brown dark grey metal.

    So here are the advantages:
    -totally allergy resistant (so no allergies, they use TI for hip and knee replacements) so the perfect material for a ring or anything else you touch.
    -very hard, so it is much less scratch resistant
    -When you touch it the metal feels much warmer then stainless steel
    -melting point is much higher then for other metals
    -Excellent Corrosion Resistance to salt water, marine atmospheres, resistance to a broad range of acids, natural waters and industrial chemicals (most metals can't do that, including stainless I think)
    -High heat transfer efficiency (not as high as AL though).
    -Superior Strenght-to-Weight Ratios, superior to almost all other metals
    Here is more about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium


    Sorry forgot to answer the CR123 question, so I edited this post again. Yes it supports regular CR123's. However I don't know how long they would last under full load, I think Lith-ions are better. Since you can adjust runtime vs. brightness you shouldnt have a problem.

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    Thanks Walter, I just sent the funds via paypal. The part in the link about Titanium being 45% lighter than steel, got me. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

    I also ordered 3RCR123's, all with glow paint, and one charger. Added $15 for Insured S&H. I said yes to a lanyard, just in case you find a nice place for one.

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    mobile1, I'm still having a hard time deciding on the battery type. Can you give me the exact length of the light for each battery choice? Protected 123's are a lot cheaper than Pilas. I have them both, but they're being used and I'll have to get another for the light. I'm sure either will provide enough runtime for my use. The main thing leaning me toward the Pila is that covered in glow paint, I think it'll look much cooler!

    No K2's to start off with is kind of a disappointment. That was actually the main reason I got on board, but I think I'll stay anyway, and maybe they will actually one day become available (and actually be more effecient AND brighter (must at least be brighter)).

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    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/paypal.gif[/img] For the stainless light, 1 123a, insured shipping..ect

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    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/paypal.gif[/img] and email replied to. Can't wait for this cool light.

    Lisa

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    Paypal sent!

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    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/paypal.gif[/img]

    So, now that I'm probably too late, a question just popped into my head. I guess you had no luck coming up with a seal that would accomodate both a 123 and the fatter 168A. But since the rods will not be changable, the seal will only need to fit one or the other. Is there any chance the long version could use a bigger seal to fit a 168A?

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    Trashman Well I can't influence the K2 thing. They are like (2-3 months late), so my guess is that production will be delayed as well. That's just the way it is.

    Anyway, here are the dimensions of this light:
    Diameter 1.125 inch (PILA & 123)
    Length 123 version: 2.7 inch
    Length PILA (168S) version: 4 inch

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    I rendered some images of what the PILA version looks like (no knurling and serial in the rendering, however the light will have both features as well).


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