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    Default 2-1/2D M*g powered by 6x168S Pila (CLOSED)






    Hi folks,
    Everybody remembers 700L M*gs and happy to own one. Now it is time to jump to a flashlight powered by 6x168S Pilas.
    I modified these D size M*gs to lenght of 2-1/2 D which is about 25mm shorter than standard 3D M*g. I also bored out 3 slots to accomodate 3 Pila 168S across in 2 story.
    Each battery holder accepts 3 cells which are wired in parallel (3.7 volt, 4200mAh). Two of these battery holders will give you huge energy to power up flashlight (7.4 volts, 4200mAh) and this is assuming 1400mAh of cell.
    AW's protected 17670 cells also work in this set up (7.4 volts, 4800mAh)
    There are several bulb choice to use in this flashlight but I offer only few types of potted WA1111 and FM axial 6.6V, 3.3A
    Potted FM axial bulbs are made by carley, exclusively for Fivemega and will give you very nice circular beam shape using LOP reflectors.
    I have measured about 3.6 Amps using WA1111 (880 Lumens) for about 70 minutes continuos.
    Excellent choice for police officers, rangers, security guards, campers, hunters and of course hot wire flashaholics.
    Flashlight only $50
    Chrome plated flashlight only $80
    Type III flashlight only $70
    Battery holder $32 each
    Potted WA1111 $10 each
    Potted/frosted CL1499 $10 each
    Potted axial $12 each
    Aluminum cammed LOP reflector $20 each
    Boro lens $5 each (one per flashlight only)
    Shipping $8 to States (Priority with delivery confirmation)
    Shipping $18 to international address (regular air)
    Insurance is extra ($2.20 In States) ($5 international) and I won't be responsible for loss or damage.
    It is absolutely necessary to post your order here right after you paid and mention your CPF ID and detailed order in paypal.
    For example: for:
    1 Red#23 2-1/2 D $50
    2 battery holders $64
    1 potted WA1111 $10
    I won't be able to process your order if you pick invalid or already taken number or color.
    Paypal: DO NOT PAY
    Please PM me for other type of payment.
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    Red #1 bobbo paid and shipped
    Red #2 candlelet paid and shipped
    Red #3 k-2 paid and shipped
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    Black #1 xraydoc paid and shipped
    Black #2 XFlash paid and shipped
    Black #3 alauda paid and shipped
    Black #4 whgreeniv paid and shipped
    Black #5 Phased_Array paid and shipped
    Black #6 Will paid and shipped
    Black #7 ophelan paid and shipped
    Black #8 citizenal paid and shipped
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    Silver #1 Kevin Tan paid and shipped
    Silver #2 max52 paid and shipped
    Silver #3 k-2 paid and shipped
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    Pewter #1 xrayvision paid and shipped
    Pewter #2 bobbo paid and shipped
    Pewter #3 andrewwynn paid and shipped
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    Chrome plated #1 Lurveleven paid and shipped
    Chrome plated #2 Lunarmodule paid and shipped
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    Chrome plated #4 therisensun paid and shipped
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    Gray HA type III #1 Lurveleven paid and shipped
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    Any comment welcome.
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    Hi Five,
    Red (#1) 50.00
    2 x batt. holders 64.00
    7 x WA-1111 Potted Bulbs 70.00
    1 x axial 6.6 V. bulb 12.00
    Shipping 8.00
    Total: 204.00
    PayPal sent
    Thanks again as always, Bob

    Glad to see you went to potted bulbs for these lights

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    Varooj

    Sorry,
    I forgot to order:LOP-reflector and Boro lens-25.00 Total with above order - Total: 229.00

    PayPal sent for correct amount

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    FM, are these the holder that can do the 2s x 3p 123 for 6v/3,900mah?

    Argh!!!! I just got the second FM1D, now u come out with these...!!!!????

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    bobbo,
    As usual, you got #1 and yes, potted bulbs are more reliable and this time I got bunch of them.
    Kevin Tan,
    This is it. 6x123 in a battery holder.

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    Black No. 1 $50
    2 x Battery Holder $64
    5 x Potted WA1111 $50
    LOP reflector $20
    Boro lens $5

    Shipping $8

    Total: $197

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    Default Re: 2-1/2D M*g powered by 6x168S Pila

    FM,
    Great... you got some black ones, never seems to be enough of 'em.
    I'd like to order;
    (1) #5 Black Flashlight only $50
    (2) Battery holder $32 each
    (2) Potted WA1274 $8 each
    (2) Potted WA1111 $10 each
    (2) Potted axial $12 each
    Boro lens $5
    Shipping $8 to States (Priority with delivery confirmation)
    Insurance is extra ($2.20 In States)
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    Default Re: 2-1/2D M*g powered by 6x168S Pila

    Pls reserve

    #1 silver
    2x Batts holder
    LOP
    shipping

    50 + 64 + 20 + 18 = 152

    Thank you. ( My paycheck is urs!!! ) Thats 3 months in a row. Arghhhh!!!!.... I need food to work u know???!!!

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    #1 Pewter

    1 Light 50
    2 holder 64
    2 WA 1111 20
    shipping 8
    total 142

    max52

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    FM, Can the batts holder center rod be lenghten to 150mm?

    I'm thinkin that 3s x 3p of 17500 or 150s will fit in the barrel n run the 1185.

    With 17500-1.1Ah = 50 - 55 min
    With 150s -1.0Ah = 40 - 45 min

    Can oso run the 1166 for SO MUCH, longer dare i say 100 minutes!!!!

    Theres oso the possibility of loading in 123 in 4s x 3p for 12v, 3.9Ah !!

    I think that maybe 5s of 123 can fit if the spring is changed! Run the 1166 with v dropped to 12.5v for 900lumens for nearly 2 hrs!!!

    I tink i need help!!!

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    Does the batt. holder come w/ batts? (I'm thinking no.)

    If not, where can i and how much $$$?

    Why is everyone buying multiple bulbs? (Potted WA1111 )

    NEWBIE IN DISTRESS

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    >
    >Does the batt. holder come w/ batts? (I'm thinking no.)
    No, it doesnt.

    >
    >If not, where can i and how much $$$?
    These are the sources for the Pila n protected 17670 li-ion cells
    The famous CPF JS Burley but it seems that hes out of 168s batts
    Bugoutgear
    Aw's protected li-ion cells.

    >
    >Why is everyone buying multiple bulbs? (Potted WA1111 )

    Design Values Rerated Values
    Current ___3.35 0.000
    Voltage ____6.0 7.2
    CCT ___3,325 3,527 K
    Lumens 464.95 880.117
    Life _______100 11.2 hours

    As cut n pasted from the WA site for the rerated values for the 1111. Notice that the 1111 is designed for 6v/3.35a but is being overdirven at 7.2v/3.6a . See the lumens figure? Thats nearly twice the designed output with a whiter beam ( thats the CCT K values ) Overdriven oso means that the life of the bulb is shortened to 11.2 hrs, therefore the extra bulbs. Theres also the chance of flashing the bulb bcus of the overdriving.

    >
    >NEWBIE IN DISTRESS
    Theres more distress coming in terms of $$.........

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    Varooj,
    My "motto" has been for some time,"two is better than one" -especially your origination of your fantastic lights-(keep them coming).

    #2-Pewter
    2xbattery holders

    PayPal sent

    Thanks,as always, (bobbo)

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    Will these holders accept 2x123 in place of a 168s? If so this light would pack 12v @ roughly 3.9ah, right?

    I ask because that would bring the start-up price down a bit. Someone (like me) that had just caught the hotwire bug would have to fork out some $$ for 6x168s (>$144) or protected 17670 (>$80?). But a dozen 123's can be had for $12 + shipping. If it's a flashaholic "wow-factor" light, well, the long term benefits of rechargeable li-ions may not be realized. This assumes a decent PR-based bulb is available in the 10-11v range, of course.

    Jon

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    Stonedog -

    You can put 2x123's in the 3x168s holder...just need to tape the batts together where they join. There are few bulbs that will work with triple stacks of 123 batts...
    Two that come to mind which work are the

    WA 1274 which will drive nicely on 3 stacks of 3x123 in a 2D
    WA 1185 which will drive nicely on 3 stacks of 4x123 in a 2.5D to 3D.

    By driving the bulbs off 3 battery stacks, it cuts the amp load for each battery stack down to 1/3rd which increases runtime to well over an hour with the above mentioned bulbs.

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    These batteries are expensive!!! How long do they take to charge? Buying 3 chargers is expensive too!!!

    I gotta have one....

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    The batteries charge fairly quickly. I've been using them a while and only use one charger, but then I don't have anything that takes 6 Pilas either. Sometimes you can find either Wolf-Eyes or Pila chargers for ~$25 they are the same so either will do.

    -LT

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    [ QUOTE ]
    PoliceScannerMan said:
    These batteries are expensive!!! How long do they take to charge? Buying 3 chargers is expensive too!!!

    I gotta have one....

    [/ QUOTE ]

    The cheepest way to run these babies is by using bare li-ion cells. Just be careful n read up all u can about the safety n maintenance of bare li-ion cells.

    AW has the charger n batts that u want.

    Figure u can run this babay with the barecells in 2 ways

    1 set 6 x 17670 + 3 chargers = $77.50 or
    2 set 6 x 17670 + 1 charger = $79.50

    Another configuration u need to look at is the 1185 bulb for 1,000+ lumens running with 3serial x 3 parallel 17500/1,100mah li-ion barecells.

    DO NOT get the 18650 cells as they WILL NOT fit into the batts barrel.

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    Best to go with AW's protected cells, though, for a few dollars more. Of course, Pilas are *the best*, but expensive.

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    FM,

    Do you have any plans for a 2 x 168s parallel battery holder. For some unknown reason I seem to have D size Maglites coming out of my ears. It would be nice to get some use out of them without having to get them bored.

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    Kevin Tan said:
    FM, Can the batts holder center rod be lenghten to 150mm?

    I'm thinkin that 3s x 3p of 17500 or 150s will fit in the barrel n run the 1185.

    With 17500-1.1Ah = 50 - 55 min
    With 150s -1.0Ah = 40 - 45 min

    Can oso run the 1166 for SO MUCH, longer dare i say 100 minutes!!!!

    Theres oso the possibility of loading in 123 in 4s x 3p for 12v, 3.9Ah !!

    I think that maybe 5s of 123 can fit if the spring is changed! Run the 1166 with v dropped to 12.5v for 900lumens for nearly 2 hrs!!!
    I tink i need help!!!
    Kevin,
    It is possible to use any length of center rod but how these can fit in 2-1/2D body length?
    You will need 4D body to accomodate 3x3 168S
    Not many machinist can bore out that length with reasonable price.
    Using 12x123 is possible but 15x123 will flash WA1166.
    ---
    PoliceScannerMan said:
    Does the batt. holder come w/ batts? (I'm thinking no.)

    PoliceScannerMan,
    Price of each Pila is about price of battery holder.
    So battery adapter does NOT come with any battery.
    BTW, using 3 cells in each holder is not necessary but recommended.
    You can even use one cell per holder if using lower current bulb.
    ---
    StoneDog said:
    Will these holders accept 2x123 in place of a 168s? If so this light would pack 12v @ roughly 3.9ah, right?

    I ask because that would bring the start-up price down a bit. Someone (like me) that had just caught the hotwire bug would have to fork out some $$ for 6x168s (>$144) or protected 17670 (>$80?). But a dozen 123's can be had for $12 + shipping. If it's a flashaholic "wow-factor" light, well, the long term benefits of rechargeable li-ions may not be realized. This assumes a decent PR-based bulb is available in the 10-11v range, of course.

    Jon
    StoneDog,
    Finding a PR based 10-11v range will not be problem because every hot wire shoud and will have Bi-pin to PR socket.
    ---
    Trashman said:
    Best to go with AW's protected cells, though, for a few dollars more. Of course, Pilas are *the best*, but expensive.
    Trashman,
    100% agree.
    AW's protected cells (6x17670) work perfectly with WA1111 simply because load for each cell is about 1.2 amps.
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    JimH said:
    FM,

    Do you have any plans for a 2 x 168s parallel battery holder. For some unknown reason I seem to have D size Maglites coming out of my ears. It would be nice to get some use out of them without having to get them bored.
    Jim,
    Using 2 cells in parralel will limit current draw down to 2/3 compare to 3 cells.
    To use high current bulb such as "big D Pelican", you will need stack of 3 in each battery holder.
    Using 2 or even 1 cell in each holder is possible but will limit current draw and capacity, also will effect run time and battery life.


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    FM, am planning on using the shorter pila 150s. Its only 53mm in length, or the 17500 barecell, 50mm. Like ur 2x123 but with longer rod, use 3x 17500 or 3x 150.

    Can I get 2 more LOP please?

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    Kevin,
    It is possible to use shorter center rod for 3x150 but won't fit correctly in 2-1/2D length.
    Remember, 3x1400=4200 mAh vs 3x1000=3000 mAh
    Or 3x1600=4800 mAh vs 3x1100=3300 mAh

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    I think that Kevin wanted to triple stack 17500s in ONE holder... that idea really intrigues me.. 10.8V just like 3 series i have in the 1 1/2D.. 3x3 with a really long rod down the center and some clever bit of balancing to hold them in unless you could part with a couple of the end caps... basically making a 9-cell holder but uses 17500 vs 17670s.. just one holder vs two.. would it fit in a 2 1/2 or a straight up 3D?

    I have used my 168x3 adapter with a broken part.. the spring pressure and the grooves in the body keeps everything perfect, just a little big of balancing to put them in.. so you would not really need to put in a different rod.. if the length works out.. you can carefully insert the batteries using gravity as your friend.. especially easy with the parallel configuration 'cause no way to mess up the polarity.

    I have a 3D using 9AAs now with an 1185 in it.. nice stuff.. i would love to have LiON and in the 3x3 stack i could even charge with my smart charger... but i'd probably take over a day to charge holy cow that's a lot of batteries.

    So.. i guess me and Kevin are wondering... can you fit 3x17500 in a single holder stacked like you have the 123s? Or.. could you do the same with the 17670s and ONE holder and get them to fit in a shorter (2D size) light?

    -awr

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    Bingo!! U gotit Andrewyynn

    Its doable with 17500 but a bit difficult without paying thru ur nose for the groove cutting for a 3 1/2 D mag ( as mentioned by FM above ). Max u can fit into a 3d mag is 191mm with a near flat spring.

    67mm (17670)x 3 + 14mm(holder) = 215mm , add 9mm if using 168s.

    Wat i'm thinking of doing is 3 stacks of 3x17500;

    50mm (17500) x 3 + 14mm (holder) = 164mm , add 9mm if using 150s

    FM, if I'm not mistaken, the length of 2 holder with 168s is 168mm +- 2mm end to end so the spring will take care of the slack.


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    FM, pp sent.

    Was just wondering if anyone here have a spare or know where to get a Duratrax ICE charger? I have considered the Triton, but I'm more into li-ions.

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    1 Pewter#3 2-1/2 D $50
    2 battery holders $64
    1 Potted axial $12
    1 LOP reflector $20
    1 Boro lens $5
    1 Potted Strion bulb $6

    Sigbjoern

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    Hello...I'm a bit of a newcomer here (I've lurked and drooled for awhile, but haven't posted. I'd like to pick up one of these, but wanted to get some clarification about the bulbs:

    WA1111 is 880 lumens for 11.2 hours
    WA1274 is 550 lumens for 40.0 hours

    Where does the custom axial bulb fit into the picture, and what are the pros/cons to the bulb?

    Also, are these potted bulbs a specialty item that I won't be able to find again later (should I stock up on plenty now)?

    Thanks guys,
    Ophelan

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    Hi ophelan,

    WA1111 is 880 lumens because it's being overdriven. At spec (6v), it outputs 464.95 lumens. (see link in Lurveleven's sigline!) 11.2 hours is the lamp life. At spec, the lamp life is 100 hours, but the overdrive lessens the bulb life.
    The WA1274 outputs 550 (about)lumens at spec (7.2v), but when overdriven in light with 8.4v, the output increases to 948 lumens! (wow, I just read that on Lurveleven's Welch Allyn link....I had no idea!) At 7.2v, the lamp life is 40 hours, but overdriving the bulb to 8.4v shortens the bulbs life to only 6.3 hours.

    I'm not sure about the overdrive specifications of the custom axial bulb, but one characterist is that it has a nice round and smooth beam, and a larger hotspot.

    Hope this helps!

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    1 Black#3 2-1/2 D $50
    2 battery holders $64
    2 Potted WA1274 $16
    2 Potted WA1111 $20
    2 Potted axial $24
    1 LOP reflector $20
    1 Boro lens $5
    Int shipping $18

    Many thanks again.

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