GOT THROW? w/Pics

[Nitro]

Here are pics/beamshots of all my throw lights. Enjoy!

The LED's
Ledean's Aspheric 1C w/52mm and Cree P4, Tiablo A8 Q5, LumaPower MRV SE Q5


The Incans
MagCharger 1160, Mag 1185, ROP HI, Streamlight TL-3


The HID's
MaxaBeam


Coleman Conversion (50W HID 8" reflector. I still have to figure out a better way to mount the Ballast/Ignitor though.)


The Lux Comparisons
NovaTac 120P = 1800 lux
Fenix P3D R100 = 2500 lux
MRV SE Q5 OP = 7500 lux
SL TL-3 Stock = 8500 lux
Tiablo A8 Q5 OP = 9500 lux
MRV SE Q5 = 12,500 lux
Tiablo A8 Q5 = 15,500 lux
Mag60 3D = 20,000 lux
Aspheric 50mm = 28,000 lux
ROP HI 2C = 28,000 lux
Mag85 3C = 32,000 lux
Aspheric 52mm = 35,000 lux
The CC > 200,000 lux
The MB > The CC

Beamshots @ 100 Yards (50mm 8" f/5.0 ISO100 AWB)
Daytime

MRV OP

MRV

Tiablo OP

Tiablo

Aspheric Spot

Aspheric Wide

Tiablo Top vs MRV Bottom

Aspheric Top vs Tiablo Bottom

TL-3

Mag60

ROP HI

Mag85

Maxa Beam





Coleman




Park Beamshots (8" f/5.0 ISO100 AWB)
Daylight 50mm

Daylight 80mm

MRV 500 Feet (Can you see it? This is the Maximum Range for green objects.)

Tiablo 500 Feet (Can you see it? This is the Maximum Range for green objects.)

Aspheric 500 Feet

Aspheric 1000 Feet (Can you see it? This is almost the Maximum Range for green objects.)

ROP HI 500 Feet (Can you see the tree? This is almost the Maximum Range for green objects.)

Mag85 500 Feet (Can you see the tree? This is almost the Maximum Range for green objects.)

MaxaBeam Wide 500 Feet

MaxaBeam Spot 500 Feet

MaxaBeam Wide 1000 Feet

MaxaBeam Spot 1000 Feet (Still too close for this thing.)

Coleman 500 Feet

Coleman 1000 Feet (No problem seeing the trees at all.)


Lake Beamshots (8" f/5.0 ISO100 AWB)
Daylight 50mm

Daylight 200mm

Aspheric 750 Feet

Aspheric 1500 Feet (Can you see it? This is about Maximum range for green objects.)

ROP HI 750 Feet (This is about Maximum range for green objects)

Mag85 750 Feet (This is about Maximum range for green objects)

MaxaBeam Wide 750 Feet

MaxaBeam Spot 750 Feet

MaxaBeam Wide 1500 Feet

MaxaBeam Spot 1500 Feet

MaxaBeam Wide 1500 Feet

MaxaBeam Spot 1500 Feet (Still too close)

MaxaBeam Spot 1500 Feet 200mm

Coleman Wide 750 Feet

Coleman Spot 750 Feet

Coleman Wide 1500 Feet

Coleman Spot 1500 Feet (No problem for the CC either)


Water Tower Beamshots
Tower #1 @ 1000 Feet, Night Shot (8" f/5.0 ISO100 AWB)

Tiablo

Aspheric

ROP HI

Mag85

Tower #2 @ 2000 Feet, Day Shot

Tower #2, Night Shot (8" f/5.0 ISO100 AWB)

Mag85

Aspheric

Aspheric 80mm

MaxaBeam Wide Shot

MaxaBeam Spot

MaxaBeam 200mm

Coleman

Coleman 200mm

Tower #3 @ 5000 Feet, Day Shot

Tower #3 @ 5000 Feet, 200mm, Day Shot


Tower #3 @ 5000 Feet, 200mm, Night Shot (8" f/5.0 ISO100 AWB)

Maxabeam 200mm Wide

Maxabeam 200mm Spot

Coleman 200mm Wide

Coleman 200mm Spot

Tower #3 @ 5000 Feet, 800mm, Night Shot

Maxabeam 800mm Wide

Maxabeam 800mm Spot

Coleman 800mm Wide

Coleman 800mm Spot


Summary for Green Objects
The MRV and Tiablo top out around 500 Feet.
The Aspheric still amazes me. It tops out close to 1000 feet.
The ROP HI and Mag 85 top out pretty close to each other around 750 feet, maybe a little more. Although the Mag85 will light up a larger area then the ROP.
The MaxaBeam still sends its laserlike beam 1500 Feet no problem.
The Coleman still sends its wall of light 1500 Feet no problem.

Summary for White Objects
The Tiablo tops out around 1000 feet.
The ROP HI tops out around 1500 feet.
The Mag85 tops out around 2000 feet.
The Aspheric clearly makes it to 2000 feet on the watertower. Amazing!
The MaxaBeam still sends its laserlike beam 2000 Feet no problem.
The Coleman still sends its wall of light 2000 Feet no problem.

Also, on that 200mm zoom shot of the MaxaBeam, on the water tower at 2000 feet, I measured the beam to be ~10 feet in diameter.

The MaxaBeam makes it to 5000 Feet.
The Coleman makes it to 5000 Feet.
The problem with the WT #3 is, it has too much stray light. This makes it hard to see the beams with the naked eye. The other problem making it hard to see the beams is, THEY'RE TOO FAR AWAY. LOL I think 5000 feet is about maximum distance you can see anything with the naked eye. I should have taken shots at 50mm, so you could get an idea of what I'm seeing. I didn't, because you can't see much. I may do it just for fun though.

Next I may take a few more fun shots at this site, i.e. 50mm, A-Mag etc. Then I'll try finding another Water Tower at a darker site, and further out. i.e. 7000-10000 foot. Also, I'll be doing some lake shots.

Stay tuned...

[Nitro]

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[skalomax]

Nice!

The MRV and tiablo are impressive throwers for LEDs.

[LED_Thrift]

Nice shots - Thanks. Comparison shots are really helpful in showing real world output. Question: what is a CC?

That last MaxaBeam "light sabre" shot is awesome!

[Nitro]

Originally Posted by skalomax

Nice!

The MRV and tiablo are impressive throwers for LEDs.

Yes they are. However the Tiablo is slightly brighter. I'm really impressed by that Aspheric Lens though.

[Nitro]

Originally Posted by LED_Thrift

Nice shots - Thanks. Comparison shots are really helpful in showing real world output. Question: what is a CC?

The Coleman Conversion. I'll take some beamshots of that once I get a connector for the battery.

That last MaxaBeam "light sabre" shot is awesome!

All those shots are pretty close to what they look like with my naked eye.

[ah-see]

Wow that maxabeam is insane.

Thanks for the beamshots and keep up the great work.

[nutz_about_lights]

Look forward to more!

[DM51]

GREAT pics, Nitro! I don't think I've seen MaxaBeam pics before, and my wallet is now beginning to get that terrible sinking feeling...

Is it totally pencil-beam spot, or can you focus it wider? It looks from a couple of the pics that you have got slightly different settings for the beam angle. It looks superb!

[Nitro]

Originally Posted by DM51

GREAT pics, Nitro! I don't think I've seen MaxaBeam pics before, and my wallet is now beginning to get that terrible sinking feeling...

Is it totally pencil-beam spot, or can you focus it wider? It looks from a couple of the pics that you have got slightly different settings for the beam angle. It looks superb!

Thanks.

Actually the Maxa Beam can be focused wider. I was thinking of adding another shot covering the whole tree. However, it's really begging for more distance, which I'll be giving it.

I'll also be adding more lights to the mix. ROP HI, MagCharger 1160 and The CC.

[maxilux]

Nice pics, thanks, some pics look like you would burn the tree.

[Gunner12]

You've got throw all right,

I was afraid the tree will catch on fire with the Maxabeam.

Nice real world beam-shots.

It is easier to see color with the Incan then the LED.

[Nitro]

Originally Posted by Gunner12

You've got throw all right,

I was afraid the tree will catch on fire with the Maxabeam.

Luckly I didn't leave it on too long.

Nice real world beam-shots.

I tried to use an exposure that would look the most realistic. Those images are very close to what I saw with my naked eye.

It is easier to see color with the Incan then the LED.

I'm going to take some more pics tonight. Specifically, I'm going to widen the the MaxaBeam and the Aspheric. The will give a better example of their color.

Also, I'm going break out the big gun.

[CandlePowerForumsUser]

You sir have a LOT of throw. I don't own a rechargeable HID or anything like that but I must have one now.

[Cnote]

This is very nice! Thanks!

[Nitro]

Updated 1st post with the rest of my lights. Well, all the ones that will make it to 100 yards. Next I'll be taking them for some longer distances.

[cryhavok]

That maxabeam is unreal!

[Ledean]

Thanks for posting the beamshots.

[Nitro]

Originally Posted by cryhavok

That maxabeam is unreal!

I talked to my buddy last night who lives around the block ~1/4 mile. He said he could see a beam of light in the sky the other night. It was when I was doing beamshots.

[Nitro]

Originally Posted by Ledean

Thanks for posting the beamshots.

My pleasure. Thanks for making those Aspheric Mag 1C's. They are really impressive.

[Ledean]

You are welcome.

Originally Posted by Nitro

My pleasure. Thanks for making those Aspheric Mag 1C's. They are really impressive.

[robo21]

You have an amazing collection of throwers. Very nice. OK, I'm patiently waiting to see your comparison A9 Smooth vs A9 OP beam shots.

[Ra]

Hi Nitro,


Very nice beamshots..

I have a few doubts tho: The lux-measurement of the CC seems to be very low!!

Do you know that with bigger lights, you cannot measure lux properly at 1meter distance? This is because at short distances, NOT the entire reflector surface is used to create the center of the spot!

Before you take lux-measurements of a light, first you need to check if the entire reflector-surface is lit by the source (filament, Led-die, or arc)

Best way to do this is looking into the reflector from a distance, protecting your eyes with a heavy filter (type 12 or 13 welding-filter)

You will see something like this:



At the center is Maxabeam, on the right: Maxablaster.. And on the left the faint contours of my 45/65watt HID-Thor at high power.. (much lower surface brightness!) Because of the super high surface-brightness of short-arc's like MB, a halogen-spotlight would not even show with exposuretimes like this..

BTW: For this picture, with a distance of 50meters I clearly was too close to see the entire reflector of Maxablaster being lit by the arc, the illuminated disk should be bigger in diameter..


With lights like CC and MB, you need to step back at least 75 meters to be able to obtain usefull lux-measurements. Afterwards, a simple calculation tells you the lux/1meter value.

200,000lux at one meter equals 200,000cp.. IMO, the CC should reach well over 1,000,000 cp !!

Example: Lets assume, you measure 214 lux at 75 meters:

That equals (75*75)*214= Little over 1.2 million cp (1,203,750 to be exact)



Regards,

Ra.

[DM51]

Originally Posted by Ra

At the center is Maxabeam, on the right: Maxablaster.. And on the left the faint contours of my 45/65watt HID-Thor at high power.. (much lower surface brightness!) Because of the super high surface-brightness of short-arc's like MB, a halogen-spotlight would not even show with exposuretimes like this...

Ra, that is just the most stunning beamshot I have ever seen. To see a big beast like the Thor reduced to a barely-perceptible glow in comparison with the others...!!!

[Ra]

That's the main reason why short-arcs like Maxabeam (with even smaller reflector..) easily outthrow even the big HID-Thor's: Much higher surface brightness !


Regards,

Ra.

[Tempora]

[Nitro]

RA: Thanks for the info.

If you notice the CC has a lux reading of "> 200,000". That just happens to be the upper limit of my meter. However, I was thinking about doing some distance lux readings of both the CC and MB to get actual values.

I like your shots. I wonder if I can get somthing similar using my camera, while speeding up the shutter.

[Nitro]

Originally Posted by DM51

Ra, that is just the most stunning beamshot I have ever seen. To see a big beast like the Thor reduced to a barely-perceptible glow in comparison with the others...!!!

Yes it is. But remember the OVERALL light of a 50W HID is just massive, at 5 times higher then the MaxaBeam. As you can see in my photos. In RA's shots the Thor's beam is just spread out compared to the Short Arc's. RA could probably tell you the size, but if the HID had a large enough reflector, it would easily out throw the MaxaBeam. However, what makes the ShortArc's so cool is you don't need a large reflector. The MaxaBeam bulb in a Mag size reflector would still produce great throw.

The Short Arc and HID are both awesome lights. That's why you got to have both.

[Nitro]

Nice Shot Temp! Wutcha got there?

[Ledean]

Originally Posted by Nitro

Nice Shot Temp! Wutcha got there?

Yea looks pretty impressive.