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Old 12-25-2004, 09:58 PM
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Default What are those lights in many new stores? (WHITE!)

They have a bowl like reflector, they'res a rectangular transformer above them and they give of this HID ish color. (Eerily white) What are they?
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Old 12-25-2004, 11:33 PM
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Default Re: What are those lights in many new stores? (WHITE!)

Metal Halide high bay warehouse fixtures?
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Old 12-27-2004, 07:17 PM
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Default Re: What are those lights in many new stores? (WHITE!)

Yes, are they HID?
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Old 12-27-2004, 08:03 PM
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Default Re: What are those lights in many new stores? (WHITE!)

If they're like the ones in the photo, yes, they're HID, probably metal halide which produces a nice, crisp white l ight.
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Old 12-27-2004, 08:15 PM
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Default Re: What are those lights in many new stores? (WHI

What does HID mean?

The particular "HID" that most people assosciate with the term "HID" (High Intensity Discharge) is "Metal Halide". Of the different varieties of HID, including High Pressure Sodium, Low Pressure Sodium, Mercury Vapor, and Metal Halide, the Metal Halides generally provide the highest color temperatures and CRI (color rendering index). There are very high color temperature metal halides available (10000K, also called 10K) that look very blue-white and are used in the film industry and in reef aquariums. These bulbs approximate the color of a black body radiator at 10,000 degrees Kelvin, hence, 10,000K.
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Old 12-27-2004, 08:44 PM
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Default Re: What are those lights in many new stores? (WHI

Poke around cpf.
There are a few handheld, portable, cordless, metal halide hid lights that you can take with you in your little hands.
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Old 12-28-2004, 11:12 PM
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Default Re: What are those lights in many new stores? (WHI

I have an Underwater Kinetics HID "Light Cannon" that I just love ! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]
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Default ...Probably Metal Halide...

Chances are what you saw was one of the newer metal halide fixtures.

Other HID types:

Mercury vapour (MB): White, but with a distinct blue or blue-green tint. Different phosphors used on the bulbs means the colour does vary significantly, but it's still blueish generally. Very poor CRI though, and extremely high colour temperature.

High Pressure sodium (SON): Can be seen in fixtures simiar to those you've illustrated, but they have a distinct golden yellow colour to them. Efficiency's significantly higher than MB lamps.
Relatively recently, true white high pressure sodium lamps (WhiteSON - I *think* with the SDW prefix - that I am unsure of though, it could be a prefix excusive to Philips), the light from these is virtually indistinguisable from incandescent. These tend to be lower wattage lamps (<200W), and I have seen them in similar fixtures in our local supermarket.

Low Pressure Sodium (SOX): The most easy to identify type of lamp. Very distinct monochromatic yellow colour (580nM). These lamps are VERY efficient (126lm/W for a 38W lamp) and modern eamples have extremely long service lifetimes (up to 20K hours), but the CRI of zero means that they're almost exclusively used in security and streetlighting...and the one in my bedroom. Though that only gets used rarely..basically because the ballast makes a noise like a power station once it's warmed up, and the *bzzzzzzzzz* tends to get a little distracting.

Also, you've got your metal halide lamps (MBI, HQI, MHN, CDM, HCI, HPS and probably a number of others): These can have pretty much any colour of white you want depending on the metal halide mixture used, ranging from a distinctly yellowish 3000K lamp, right up through pure white to a crazy 10'000K (and higher I belive), including strange variations like green and peach colours too. The only drawback I've found with these lamps is that the equipment does tend to be expensive - and that the luminare needs to be well designed. Basically because the lamps can, and occasionally do explode if they're used past the end of their rated lifetime. Larger bulbs tend to have an integral blast shield, but the smaller ones muse be used in a totally enclosed fixture in case that happens.

Hopefully this info's of some use. Great information on all of these types of lighting can be found at Lamptech.
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Default Re: ...Probably Metal Halide...

I was at a show a while ago and I saw an attraction that had 4 HID lights, 4 in a row, 18x26" reflectors, looked like those large bulbs in factories. but thes were colored, WHITE, RED/ORANGE, Green (about 540nm) and BLUE (about 450nm), very distinct colors.
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Old 01-08-2005, 07:22 PM
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Default Re: ...Probably Metal Halide...

Check this out, I was pokeing around Lamp Tech the other day and found out GE once made a Compact Metal Halide lamp for home use.

It was discontinued in 1984 however shortly after it was made. Back then, I think no one wanted to wait 3 minuites for a light bulb to warm up and 15 mins for it to restrike not to mention paying 15 dollars for a light bulb

Now I wonder what will happen if this were made today. Will CFLs get replaced by CMHL (Compact Metal Halide Lamps)?
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