10180 Problem

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I have two 10180 batteries to power my Drake. One charges fine and powers the light brightly, the other...not. It seems to top out at 4.07v when I charge it. I'm using the Nano charger and when it turns green with this cell it's at 4.07v whereas the other cell is at 4.15v when the charger turns green. Also it doesn't light the Drake nearly as brightly as the other battery. I know it could be a bad cell but I could use any suggestions on what to do. Also, does anyone know the mAh of the 10180 cell? Thanks!
 
10180s are supposed to be 90-100mah.

I wouldn't hold Nano chargers as paragons of charging accuracy, but if one cell works fine and the other doesn't, the fault probably lies in the cell.

Just to be sure, though, if you know someone who's into RC models you can try asking him to charge your defective 10180 with a RC-grade charger and see what happens. I wouldn't be surprised if it only managed a fraction of its original capacity, though.
 
I kinda figure it's the cell. I'm am into R/C myself and have all the coolest chargers. Problem is none charge at a low enough rate to be safe for the 10180. What are the other charge options for this cell besides the Nano?
 
I think most RC chargers have a 100ma minimum charge. I know mine does (hyperion 5i AC/DC). That should be good for the 10180... about 1C. Are you sure none of yours can charge at a 100ma rate?
 
Your best option would be a coin-cell charger.

The maximum charge rate of a 10180 cell is 90ma. The 10440 version of the Nano-charger has an output of 200mA, so this is much too high. The R123 version is even higher at 450mA, so I fervently hope you are not using that one.

It may be that the high charge rate has prematurely aged your cell. You should be careful that it is not over-heating while charging.
 
it doesnt make (enough) sence that you get a green light when it has not reached voltage (which is all the green light shows) cause you should have about 4.1v on a green, but the things are a bit loosly done.

you do know that with the cheap chargers they can keep charging after you actually see a green light, and that little bit of topping at the end can change the voltage of the battery to the highest charge level.
for example green light goes on at 4.10 (-+ a bit here and there) and the max charge it can reach when left on should be 4.20 (-+ a bit here and there)

Notes: some chargers might not stop at 4.25v even though they should, complete death of the cell doesnt occur till past 4.35v depending on the cell and age and all

SOOOO, if you pulled them at different total charge ammount, they potentially could be at slightly different voltages.

mabey i can even draw that ?
volt - light
:mad:---:crazy: <--overcharge , they shouldnt do this ever
:p---:D<---fully charged
:p---:D <-- brainless green light
:p---:)
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:p---:)
:p---:)
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on the left we have the lame charger which sits at some voltage , and is only capable of so much current, that is suppesed to stop before it gets to high
on the right you have the stupid light that almost arbitrarily turns on at some voltage. As long as the voltage of the charger doesnt go over, leaving the cell on till its full is the only way to have it be FULL.

you get better longevity if you dont fill it completly, but the green light does not always designate completly full.
spacers and magnets and all that stuff can change how "well" the cell is connected to the charger, and can have the green light and time for total charge be different.
 
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then on the other hand of the situation, the cells are not protected.
so:
if they dont charge fully, when given the oppertunity
heat on the charger , more than normal
are reading lower in voltage, given the oppertunity to charge.
self discharge (read lower in voltage over time)

then the poor cell might be bad now.

that might be the next best thing I (myself) would check if i thought it was dying, the self discharge
read battery voltage 30-60 minutes after it comes off the charger, wait a day or 2, then read it again.
really bad self discharge (dead dangerous cell) can be seen in mere hours even, using a voltmeter.
 
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