2024 olympics

What's odd about this is everyone keeps saying "it could be" ... and "if this is true then" ...

The facts we know on the ground:

1. The organizing body for this event did not (apparently) do any testing
That's on them, not on the athlete.
2. Two organizing bodies who tested this person said they have XY chromosomes and high testosterone levels
Conjecture and rumor, as of now.
3. This person is taller than the (male) judge, and stands head and shoulders above any of the other competitors
All women are short? All men are tall? Hardly. There are women out there who are easily over 6-feet tall. Height means nothing.
4. This person has body hair similar to a man's, and doesn't shave it (legs, etc.) ... most females with this kind of body hair shave to achieve a more feminine look
Not so! Yes, it is in America nowadays. But in most countries, women don't shave below the waist. Not even their legs.
5. There are pictures of this person in Algeria, a Muslim country where dress codes are strictly enforced, wearing male clothing, in public
Unfortunately with this person's looks, had they dressed like a woman, they would have risked being physically attacked.... mistaken for a cross-dresser. Would have been safer just to wear men's clothing while out and about.
6. This person's actions before the match appear to be very masculine (adjusting body parts a female does not have, not adjusting body parts a female does have, like most of the other women competitors).
Proves nothing. You think women don't touch themselves?
7. This person hit an experienced female boxer so hard she gave up and cried.
No matter how good you are, there is always someone out there better than you. Learned that lesson early in Life. Some women are just bigger and stronger than other women.
This is, AFAIK, what we _know_.

All the bits about their possible being born this way or that is speculation.
Exactly!
No-one has said "I saw their genitals, and they are female." No-one (that I know of) has said "I have proof from a doctor this person is female," or "they have this condition." It's all "gotcha, proved you wrong."
You were doing so well in that last part. Speculation? Where's the hard evidence that she's not a biological female? Apparently she has to get pregnant to prove it. Even then, there will be detractors.
One thing that does upset me--the people treating the woman who "gave up" as some sort of idiot, someone who'd never been in the ring before, someone who'd never been hit. She's in the Olympics. She's been hit before. She's been in the ring before. She knows how hard other women hit. Progressives want to say "believe all women," but when she says "I've never been hit that hard before," we totally disregard her testimony and speculate about how to justify this situation.
She was afraid of getting crippled against a stronger opponent. No shame in giving up, and not wanting to get hurt.
We're so busy defending this person we are forgetting there was someone else in the ring. Someone who was badly hurt. We're forgetting about the women who have been physically disfigured or disabled, permanently, in other situations (apparently) similar to this.
I'll say it, some sports should be gender-specific.... Boxing definitely one of them.
So I don't buy the whole "this person might be ..." Prove it, and then prove why--even if they have such a condition--they should be in the ring hitting a woman in the face.
It's up to the Olympic Committee and the doctors working for them to make that determination. Which, as you pointed out, they have failed miserably to do so. There are biological females who won, or perhaps lost, the biological lottery and can almost hit as hard as a similarly-sized man.
 
You were doing so well in that last part. Speculation? Where's the hard evidence that she's not a biological female? Apparently she has to get pregnant to prove it. Even then, there will be detractors.

There is no "hard evidence either way." OTOH, there is plenty of visual evidence one way, and almost none the other.

This is why boxing associations, and other athletic associations, are supposed to set standards, test, and enforce the standards. Restaurants card everyone, no matter how old you look.

We live in a topsy-turvy, passive-aggressive world that no longer holds there is anything like ground truth. This is what happens when rationalism and empiricism fail ... culture falls back to superstition and "I believe everything everyone says so long as I can find any possible reason to accept it, no matter how much harm it is doing."
 
There is no "hard evidence either way." OTOH, there is plenty of visual evidence one way, and almost none the other.
Exactly, we should wait for it. Also.... Oh! Please tell me you are being sarcastic. "Visual evidence." You mean this individual athlete's looks. One thing I've definitely learned in Life, there are trans women who still have all of their original equipment who look completely feminine. We're talking easily an 11 out of 10. And unfortunately, yes; there are women out there who if they cut their hair, and wore a men's suit, would easily be mistaken for one. And, with long hair, would receive heaps of abuse because they'd be mistaken for a trans woman; despite being the real thing.

Not going to get into detail about it. But let's just say it's a hell of a thing when a woman you've known for a few years, someone with a genuinely good heart, ends up crying in your arms because a guy she was interested in rejected her because he though she was born with the same set of private parts he was. When she goes to a gynecologist's office and the new receptionist is visibly shocked to see what she thinks is a man in a dress walking up, and checking in for their appointment. Having to explain that she's an actual woman.

Looks don't mean $#&%.
This is why boxing associations, and other athletic associations, are supposed to set standards, test, and enforce the standards. Restaurants card everyone, no matter how old you look.
Yeah, there are weight classes in boxing. I'm sure she pulled out her I.D. and that was it. Again, as you pointed out, the Olympic committee screwed up. It was their sexist BS that assumed all female boxers would fit neatly into one box.
We live in a topsy-turvy, passive-aggressive world that no longer holds there is anything like ground truth. This is what happens when rationalism and empiricism fail ... culture falls back to superstition and "I believe everything everyone says so long as I can find any possible reason to accept it, no matter how much harm it is doing."
I have the rare superpower of.... Common Sense. I was the one who earlier pointed out that gender identity is a very easy thing to determine. It is! And the Olympic committee's doctors are the ones responsible for testing and determining if an athlete is lying about their gender. Until they do so, we take the word of the athlete and their trainer. Ugly women who were not blessed with a dainty body and a huge rake, should be treated like men when no hard evidence exists that they are men.
 
btw i rtaher be nice omg if she is a women many owe her a apology
 
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Haven't smoked ganja in many years, over 30 (didn't inhale) I could be wrong today, wouldn't weed do the opposite, turn an athlete nervous wreck and hinder performance? Plus give them the munchies (-;
 
Haven't smoked ganja in many years, over 30 (didn't inhale) I could be wrong today, wouldn't weed do the opposite, turn an athlete nervous wreck and hinder performance? Plus give them the munchies (-;
For others, weed makes them extremely paranoid.... Now if you'll excuse me, I have to get back to watching Subject 018901. Apparently he thinks hanging up black garbage bags across his windows will prevent people from seeing inside. So naive....
 
Looks don't mean $#&%.
Looks do mean something. If they didn't, we wouldn't have any way of actually discovering the real world.

It is perfectly reasonable to accept what I see with my own eyes until someone can provide evidence to the contrary. So much of what is wrong with our modern world is we want to use various corner cases to "prove" something is other than it is. We're in danger of proving reality itself doesn't exist and falling into self-contradictory nihilism.

Even if you want to jump off the epistemological cliff and say "looks don't mean anything," there is the DNA evidence to contend with:


Now, will anyone who said: "Believing what your eyes tell you is judgmental and horrible! Stop that!" apologize? No ... they'll just find more instances of: "It could be this medical condition, it could be that medical condition." Or they'll say, "the Daily Wire always lies." Or: "Those officials are from backward countries, you cannot trust them." Or ...

It could be many, many things. But (as much as I don't like Occam's epistemology), I still hold the simplest explanation is the most likely. For some reason, a couple of countries sent males to box against females--and it's wrong to put a man and a woman in a ring, even with gloves on, and make a spectacle of the man beating the snot out of the woman for "sport."
 
Yeah.... I'm focusing on something a lot more important right now than your obsession with looks.
 
No, you did that to yourself.
No, you just did that.

My point is you should not put men in a ring to box with women. Your point seems to be that it's perfectly fine because ... well, because ...
 
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No, you just did that.

My point is you should not put men in a ring to box with women. You're point seems to be that it's perfectly fine because ... well, because ...
I know you're new here, but seriously; how old are you?
I tend to give new members the benefit of the doubt.
I'm still going to do that. But, I'm done with you.
I found something genuinely disturbing that the Olympic committee is allowing to take place. Yet you're still harping on that nonsense.
Heck, I'm not even going to bother tossing you on my Ignore list.
You're not even worth the effort.
 
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