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If anyone else is curious, Greg from Brightguy just got back to me and responded that the LD05 is a reverse clicky.
Oh, I soooo freakin' hope not! :ohgeez: Reverse clickies just SUCK! I'm counting on the LD05 being a forward clicky, not just for myself, but also for Christmas gifting to someone who prefers forward as well.

According to the Fenix ad, it states "Stainless steel pushbutton cap for momentary on and constant on/off". Sounds like a forward clicky to me... sure hope it is.

Death to reverse clickies! :thumbsdow
 
Maratac, 1.5, 18 and 80 Preon 2.88, 13.6 and 112 (these numbers are calculated by taking the OTF rating and multiplying by 1.6, 4Sevens' mathematical formula for comparing OTF to emitter lumens).

Except for the higher high, the levels are pretty much spaced the same.

OTF and multiplying by 1.6???? That's crazy to trust that. That' not a hard and fast rule. You really have no idea what the losses are with the optical system in the Maratac, and that's why is always better to actually measure and publish OTF specs. Then you know without any doubt what your output really is. If you want emitter specs, look at the led spec sheet.
 
My wife uses a LF2XT for testing pupil reaction and looking in people's throats (if she's not using her scope). She likes the tint fine, but no LED can compete with the full spectrum scopes for detecting subtle differences in color.

--flatline

Have you looked at the output of a Q3-5A/5B?? In what way was it deficient?
 
Have you looked at the output of a Q3-5A/5B?? In what way was it deficient?

Sorry if I gave the impression that there was something deficient with the LF2XT's 4C tint. She says it's great for throats and rashes. She has a scope with a lamp that's supposed to mimic the spectrum of sunlight. Sometimes when she wants to be certain that she's seeing (or not seeing) something properly, she'll pull it out after using the LF2XT. It's not that the 4C is deficient, it's more that seeing the same rash with two different tints can sometimes make important details more clearly defined.

Now to answer your actual question: she's never tried any of my 5A or 5C lights (don't own a 5B). They're all enough bigger than the LF2XT that she's not interested in putting them in her white coat pocket.

--flatline
 
Perhaps the UI of these new lights favors a forward switch.

But bite your tongue "death to reverse clickys"

My P2D L1D and L2D work fantastic with reverse. From low after ANY amount of time bump to medium. Would have to click a forward off and on again. PHOOEY!

That is why I have a Fenix forward switch in my box o stuff. I guess if my TK10 ever needs a switch.......
 
I prefer a forward-clickie for single-mode flashlights. But for cycling through different modes, I would rather have a reverse clickie so I can tap the button to switch.

However, I think the best interface is what the Photon Freedom Light has. Click&release always gives full power. If you want less, starting from off you click and hold, and it will slowly increase brightness from zero, and you release when you get the preferred level.

The only other flashlight I know of with a similar deal is the Zebra I just got (h501?). It has 3 specific levels instead of Photon's fade-in control, but it's the same general operation.

ANYhoo... I like the design of the LD05, but I would rather have a different interface entirely. Either a simple single-mode, or a Zebra-like method.
 
OTF and multiplying by 1.6???? That's crazy to trust that. That' not a hard and fast rule. You really have no idea what the losses are with the optical system in the Maratac, and that's why is always better to actually measure and publish OTF specs. Then you know without any doubt what your output really is. If you want emitter specs, look at the led spec sheet.

I'm not going to trust it, but it does give one somewhat of an idea. BTW, 4Sevens said 1.4-1.6, my mistake.
 
got some pics!... used with permisson.

fenix appear throwier
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hmm.. looks pretty similar

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LD-05 is so much bigger. :ohgeez:

It might make a good edc for magicians. :laughing:
 
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Thanks Craig!!!

Great Pics, lovecpflovecpf

These definately made my mind up for me. The Preon Rocks!
 
How is the switch on the LD05, Ive read that people complain over their Preons switch and badly cut threads?

I also like how Fenix used a deeper reflector, that actually fits around the LED compared to the Preons low reflector, that seems to have a hole that fits a larger LED?
 
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Great Pics !! So far it seems the Preon pwns the LD05 !! 😀

Just need some beam-shots and run-time charts now to declare the "winner" !! :devil:
 
Great Pics !! So far it seems the Preon pwns the LD05 !! 😀

Just need some beam-shots and run-time charts now to declare the "winner" !! :devil:
Lots of people are asking for beamshots, we'll here ya go...
Left is Preon II, Right is LD05: (note that the camera auto-adjusts for exposure)

Both on low:
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Both on medium:
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Both on high:
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Preon PWM is much much MUCH higher
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Thanks for the pics! Would've been interested in one of these, but the extra length puts a damper on that.
 
Thanks for the comparison 4Sevens. The Preon comes out looking pretty fantastic in those beamshots... the hotspot seems about the same lux on both, but the preon's is like twice the size - making it much more useful with the same throw. Very cool. Can't wait for my Aluminum Preon to ship.
 
But bite your tongue "death to reverse clickys"
True, that proclamation was a bit harsh. This kind of thing does fall under the "personal preference" category, so I'll just murder as many reverse clickies as possible on my own, and anyone can feel free to join me. :devil:

My P2D L1D and L2D work fantastic with reverse. From low after ANY amount of time bump to medium. Would have to click a forward off and on again. PHOOEY!
That is a relatively neat method of mode changing, and can see how X amount of people would like it for the reason you give. In fact, I've been trying to convince myself that I should like it in order to feel better about my eventual Preon purchase. But I have to ask myself two questions.

Realistically, how often am I actually going to need to change modes while the light's already been on for a while? My personal answer... almost never. If I need to see something, I consider it a very quick and easy judgement to determine what level I want for whatever I'm going to look at, and it stays there until I'm done. The corollary question to that is, is whatever miniscule amount of in-operation mode changing I might do worth giving up momentary operation if there's a choice? NO WAY! I's just luuuves me my momentary operation!

I dunno... maybe there are those who need to constantly change modes while using a torch. I seriously doubt they'd be anywhere near a majority, but would be interested in hearing about scenarios where this is necessary, and worth sacrificing momentary. It might help me see the other side... or reinforce my own reasoning behind what I say.
 
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When I look at the comparing beamshots I become very surprised. The medium of Preon seems to be twice as bright as the medium of LD05, though the stated values are 32lm for LD05 and 22lm for the Preon...

Also I wonder about the PWM. Is the frequence of Preon very high or is the frequence of LD05 very low? Anyone who knows the PWM frequence of these lights?

Regards, Patric
 
When I look at the comparing beamshots I become very surprised. The medium of Preon seems to be twice as bright as the medium of LD05, though the stated values are 32lm for LD05 and 22lm for the Preon...

Preon is OTF lumen.

Also I wonder about the PWM. Is the frequence of Preon very high or is the frequence of LD05 very low? Anyone who knows the PWM frequence of these lights?

THe Preon has a high pwm frequence, I measure 2.4 khz.
 
Just FYI for those who are interested, the rate at which a light has to pulse in order to be seen as continuous is referred to in the study of visual perception as the CFF for 'critical flicker frequency' or 'critical fusion frequency'.

As a light gets brighter, the CFF rate must increase in order for it to be perceived as continuous because the increase in brightness results in an increase in contrast between the on and off of the flickers.

In and of itself, the visual system has a lower and upper bound for how often an image has to be presented in order to appear to be moving smoothly. In terms of animation this translates to a frame rate of about 24 fps. Anything slower than that and motion appears to be discontinuous, getting more and more jerky and the frame rate decreases. This translates to a lower bound of about 45 ms per frame or stimulus presentation.

As an example of this is a psychophysical phenomenon called apparent motion. Take two dots of light that are presented on a computer screen a small distance apart, say 3 or 4 cm.

-Present the first dot for 50 ms, extinguish it, then another 50 ms later, present the second dot for 50 ms. The observer will perceive two separate dots appear and disappear at the same time.

-Present the first dot for 50 ms, extinguish it, then another 75 ms later present the second dot. The observer will see the first dot start to move in the direction of the second but disappear briefly and reappear slightly before the actual position of the second dot and move to the actual position of the second dot before disappearing. This is called phi-motion.

-Present the first dot for 50 ms, extinguish it, then another 100 ms later present the second dot. The observer will see one dot that appears on the screen move across the screen to the actual location of the second dot without interruption and for the entire distance between the two dots, then disappear. In other words, it looks as if a single dot appears, moves contiguously across the screen to the second position, then disappears. This is call beta-motion. The dot is perceived to move across the intervening space between the two locations even though no such stimulus is ever actually physically presented.

-Present the first dot for 50 ms, extinguish it, then another 150 ms later present the second dot. The observer will see one dot appear then disappear, then the second dot appear and disappear. No illusory motion is perceived.

Now of course, as the brightness and other characteristics vary (as well as individual differences between observers) these time intervals will vary slightly, but they are remarkably consistent in terms of the range of values that are found through scientific observation of this phenomenon over literally 150 years worth of work on this perceptual phenomenon.

So if the pulse rate of the Preon is 2.4 KHz, that means each pulse is occurring about every .4 ms so even at the Preon's maximum output of 160 lumens, the flicker frequency is high enough for the light to be perceived as continuous in pretty much every situation it might be used/seen/observed in.
 
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