6p led help
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There are more than a few really bright drop-ins available for the 6P. A hard or direct driven MT-G2 would definitely qualify in the single-emitter arena. These have been known to out out over 2500 lumens. With that much output, cooling is a serious challenge, so I'm hesitant to call them truly reliable.
There are numerous choices with either triple or quad setups that use XP-G2, XP-E2, etc. These can put out 1600 plus lumens (at the emitters). Some fine examples come from TorchLAB and Mac's Customs. These can definitely be considered reliable.
Vinh and Nailbender can likely build you a monster also.
There are more than a few really bright drop-ins available for the 6P. A hard or direct driven MT-G2 would definitely qualify in the single-emitter arena. These have been known to out out over 2500 lumens. With that much output, cooling is a serious challenge, so I'm hesitant to call them truly reliable.
There are numerous choices with either triple or quad setups that use XP-G2, XP-E2, etc. These can put out 1600 plus lumens (at the emitters). Some fine examples come from TorchLAB and Mac's Customs. These can definitely be considered reliable.
Vinh and Nailbender can likely build you a monster also.
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880arm
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Since you said bright and reliable (and I'm glad you did) I will add that the type of batteries you use will factor into the equation if you're going with any of the really high-powered drop-ins.
If you're planning to go with CR123 primary cells then I would advise you to stay below 600 lumens or so for your drop-in. That's not to say something more powerful won't work, but the battery reliability (and runtime) comes into question after a certain point. For the record, 600 lumens is still a ton of light, especially if you're upgrading from an incandescent 6P.
The super high powered stuff requires lithium-ion rechargeable batteries and probably boring your 6P so that it will accept larger cells.
If you're planning to go with CR123 primary cells then I would advise you to stay below 600 lumens or so for your drop-in. That's not to say something more powerful won't work, but the battery reliability (and runtime) comes into question after a certain point. For the record, 600 lumens is still a ton of light, especially if you're upgrading from an incandescent 6P.
The super high powered stuff requires lithium-ion rechargeable batteries and probably boring your 6P so that it will accept larger cells.
Well that being said my plans are for one of the 6p I am going to run the aw imr batteries that was recommended in one of my other post the second one I am going to bore out to accept an 18650 as I have 6 of then from a lap top the lamp I have now says it's rated for 980 lumens and is a 3 mode xm l2 U2
archimedes
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Which is the more important criterion for you, output or reliability ?
If reliability is the primary factor, I would suggest a Malkoff. Although the high output and super high output versions are very bright indeed, absolute maximal output is not their purpose. They are, however, built for maximum reliability
I would also note that "old laptop batteries" are not going to contribute to a reliable flashlight setup ... :ironic:
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Much of the reliability will rely on how well you fit the dropin in your 6P.
Dropins vary in size, hosts vary in size.
So to get a good fit you almost certainly have to do a good job of wrapping dropin with copper or al, thereby allowing heat to transfer from the dropin to the 6P.
A good quality high power dropin will not be reliable without good heat transfer to body.
There are so many dropins available of various quality, cost and beam characteristics. What beam do you want?
Dropins vary in size, hosts vary in size.
So to get a good fit you almost certainly have to do a good job of wrapping dropin with copper or al, thereby allowing heat to transfer from the dropin to the 6P.
A good quality high power dropin will not be reliable without good heat transfer to body.
There are so many dropins available of various quality, cost and beam characteristics. What beam do you want?
Yea I just looked at the trip led drop in and omg this is going to get exspensive
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Before real suggestions can be made, it really would be helpful to know what kind of beam pattern you'd like.
Options are:
Mostly throw for illuminating objects at distance
mix of throw with lots of spill
really floody with not much throw (though a ton of lumens does help some with distance)
huge hot spot with nothing that could be considered spill (typical of triples behind individual optics)
strictly flood, which is what is delivered by a mule with no reflector or optic at all
others......
hoop762
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I recently ordered a sportac xml-2 dropin from eagletac for my 6P. I'm running it on two 123 primaries right now. The dropin is rated to 9v. I'm planning on switching to 16340s eventually. I'm very impressed with the performance. Think it set me back about 35 bucks or so.
ChrisGarrett
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I put in a Redilast (EDCplus.com) 3 mode XM-L2 U2 that does 530LM at 1.5A. It cost me $40 w/coupon before shipping and made my 6P something other than the anemic POS that it was, lol.
I now have a $150 light that does nothing more than my $23 and under, Convoy M1, M2 and even S2 lights, do!
But it's a SureFire, so I'm Tier 1 and hangin' with all of the cool kids!
Chris
I now have a $150 light that does nothing more than my $23 and under, Convoy M1, M2 and even S2 lights, do!
But it's a SureFire, so I'm Tier 1 and hangin' with all of the cool kids!
Chris
+1, my sportac 219 Triple is amazingly bright, friendly for 2 CR123's, and seems well made (although time will tell).
I don't want much of a flood pattern a good solid spot would be awesome
That sporttac 219 triple isn't bad price at all the ones I looked at the other day 175 and up
The triples that I've owned all produce a huge round hotspot with very little in the means of side spill light. While assisting with another similar request, I very recently measured my TorchLAB "spot" to be over 5 feet across at a distance of 10 feet.
To achieve a solid spot of moderate size, you'll want a single emitter setup. XP-G sized emitters produce a smaller spot than XM-L sized emitters, given the same reflector size/depth.
The SPORTAC may end up as a great option, and the price is definitely right. They're too new for me to recommend them at this point in time. Actually, I don't recommend anything on this forum that I haven't personally used and abused. I'm waiting for them to offer fully potted electronics so I can mount it onto a weapon if I choose.
To achieve a solid spot of moderate size, you'll want a single emitter setup. XP-G sized emitters produce a smaller spot than XM-L sized emitters, given the same reflector size/depth.
The SPORTAC may end up as a great option, and the price is definitely right. They're too new for me to recommend them at this point in time. Actually, I don't recommend anything on this forum that I haven't personally used and abused. I'm waiting for them to offer fully potted electronics so I can mount it onto a weapon if I choose.
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Do you live in the US? I've got a few drop-ins that aren't being used at the moment while their hosts are off being bored for 18 mm cells. If you're local, I'd be willing to send them to you for evaluation from an output/beam shape perspective.
hoop762
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I've been using my sportac on duty for a couple weeks now. Its preformed wonderfully so far, but still early in its life.
The run time is only about 40 minutes on a couple of 123s, but that's to be expected with the output.
I've noticed no reliability issues in the rain or at 20 degrees F.
Its been dropped several times with no decline in function yet.
I guess time will tell. So far, I'm very impressed.
The run time is only about 40 minutes on a couple of 123s, but that's to be expected with the output.
I've noticed no reliability issues in the rain or at 20 degrees F.
Its been dropped several times with no decline in function yet.
I guess time will tell. So far, I'm very impressed.
I live and oklahoma and thanks for the input guys I got to get some batteries ordered as the first lamp I ordered I don't thing I have enough juice to operate it properly
RI Chevy
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Which is the more important criterion for you, output or reliability ?
If reliability is the primary factor, I would suggest a Malkoff. Although the high output and super high output versions are very bright indeed, absolute maximal output is not their purpose. They are, however, built for maximum reliability
If reliability is important to you, then I also would go with either a Malkoff M61 (single mode) or M361 (3 mode), or the EDCplus X60L 3 Mode drop ins. They can both be operated with 2xCR123's, and are extremely durable and provide very useful light output. They would wake up that 6P for sure! These are both made in a few different tints for your own personal preference. I prefer the neutral tints.
Some of the other drop ins mentioned will give you tremendous light output, but have yet to be proven long term. They would probably be fine, but just not proven yet. The sportac is also only available in single mode and get quite hot quickly. The Malkoff and EDC are made for continuous run. Just matters on what your preferences are.
Is this the one mentioned in post #4? Does it have an textured or smooth reflector? What brand is it?
Do you want the new one to have one or multiple brightness modes? Would you like the new one to have similar output to the existing one?
