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Silentlight, you shouldn't buy a light as a weapon, since it is not designed as one. Eagletac designed the M2 to illuminate objects, not to hit people with.

That said, you should really send Eagletac an Email. I am sure they will help you with your "screw" problem if you simply let them know what happened. All of my experiences with their customer service have went very well.

I also see that the lack of any notches, grooves, or indicators with the ring could be annoying. Hopefully Eagletac will address/fix this somehow, as many people seem to be somewhat annoyed by it.
 
You don't understand. they made the ring "tactically silent" they don't want you to be heard and give away your position, that would be untactical, while your stobing the heck out of someone with 700 lumens, since turning the ring to set it and not knowing what the change will be before you turn it on would be almost next to useless. SHHHH, don't tell any one. Its a classified tacticool secret.

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Other than that, +1
 
M2XC4 is a complete dissapointment.

First of all it is not "small," especially compared to something like the M30 Triton, in which case the M2X is slightly shorter when standing, but is thicker, bulkier, and heavier overall. It's only "small" when you compare it to something like Surefire's M6 Guardian, which it is smaller and brighter than, and also at least 10 years younger than. And all of the weight is in the head, which makes the stabbing motion (as if to nail an aggressor with the striking bezel) feel awkward and unpowerful, unless you're actually holding the light by the head and not by the hilt.
The 5-mode selector ring has no selector tags painted or engraved into it so you basically just have to guess until you can get the feel of it.
Oh, but it is very sturdy, I'll give it that. So sturdy, that I can't even get the last two screws out of the back of the tailcap to install the optional M25 clicky switch. In fact, they're in there so tight that all my screwdriver can do is grind metal off of the heads of the screws. They're not coming out, ever, period. Why it doesn't come factory pre-installed, I have no idea. The "optionability" of it makes absolutely no sense, because the light is tactically useless without it. As the resident of a large city with a notoriously high crime-rate, I would much rather have a flashlight that I can grab from my pocket or holster, click on, and maybe strike with, at a moments notice - as opposed to a light that I can grab and aim, and have to divide my attention between a hostile target and the selector ring on my flashlight, even if it is only for 1 second. Tail standing is not important to me - that's why I have reliable electricity.

In short I would think about sending it back but the damage I did to the unscrewable screws probably voided my warrenty.

Being a "tactically sound" person, ex-LEO, and current C.O. I have to say if you bought this light with the intention of using it as a defense weapon (via clicky switch) or plan to actually use it as a striking tool then yes, you will be disappointed. That being said, there are far better lights to use for this use.

Furthermore, if you live somewhere as you describe and intend to defend yourself with your light only, you have watched too many TV shows and/or movies. If you can't arm yourself with a firearm (doesn't sound like you should at this point without some serious defensive education) then at least go buy some pepper spray. I recommend (and carry) Freeze +P. If that fails, I'll fall back to my .45. The only thing my light is going to be used for (ANY of my lights) is target identification and nothing more.
 
M2XC4 is a complete dissapointment.

First of all it is not "small," especially compared to something like the M30 Triton, in which case the M2X is slightly shorter when standing, but is thicker, bulkier, and heavier overall. It's only "small" when you compare it to something like Surefire's M6 Guardian, which it is smaller and brighter than, and also at least 10 years younger than. And all of the weight is in the head, which makes the stabbing motion (as if to nail an aggressor with the striking bezel) feel awkward and unpowerful, unless you're actually holding the light by the head and not by the hilt.
The 5-mode selector ring has no selector tags painted or engraved into it so you basically just have to guess until you can get the feel of it.
Oh, but it is very sturdy, I'll give it that. So sturdy, that I can't even get the last two screws out of the back of the tailcap to install the optional M25 clicky switch. In fact, they're in there so tight that all my screwdriver can do is grind metal off of the heads of the screws. They're not coming out, ever, period. Why it doesn't come factory pre-installed, I have no idea. The "optionability" of it makes absolutely no sense, because the light is tactically useless without it. As the resident of a large city with a notoriously high crime-rate, I would much rather have a flashlight that I can grab from my pocket or holster, click on, and maybe strike with, at a moments notice - as opposed to a light that I can grab and aim, and have to divide my attention between a hostile target and the selector ring on my flashlight, even if it is only for 1 second. Tail standing is not important to me - that's why I have reliable electricity.

In short I would think about sending it back but the damage I did to the unscrewable screws probably voided my warrenty.

Talk to your dealer, it's highly likely they'll take it back and replace it with one that doesn't have stuck screws. CPF dealers are really good with their customer service.

The option to have a clickie or no clickie is really nice. No clickie means it is way more difficult to activate the light accidentally when it's in my bag. As for knowing what light setting you're on , well I'm sure many people will agree with you there. Myself, I don't mind it too much. I'm going to put my own visual references on one so I know what level I'll be in before turning on..
 
I already see where this could be going, so allow me to clarify my stance on violence, before assumptions get carried away. I do not like violence. I do not glorify cop shows or the military channel. However, I am not a pacifist, and I realize that I am not above violence because violence is not above happening to me. A flashlight is not the only thing in at disposal. I have survived one violent close-encounter within the last few years, and I would not care to repeat the incident. About that incident, I will only say that it was very sudden, and that my then EDC light, a Surefire 6P-D, was quite the scale tipper. I do not buy flashlights as weapons, I buy flashlights as flashlights that can also be weapons in the most unfortunate of situations.
Why? Because I live in a pretty liberal section of the United States, and thusly weaponry for home & personal defense is a bit of a pain in the *** to get your hands on if you're a law-abiding citizen. If you're a criminal with no respect for such rules and laws, it's much easier because you don't care about the law that says you can't have that - whereas the rest of us do, so we're basically screwed. Unless that gets overhauled (not any time soon), the tactical-type flashlight is my best solution. So try to reserve your nominations for the Darwin Award, because I'm sure just about all of you are on the same page of the law as I am, and I'm also sure a fair number of you aren't as screwed by it as I am. I'm not going to bother getting into my opinions on Pepper Spray because this isn't scovilleunitforums.com.

Returning to the subject:
Forgive me - yes, when I'm looking at a flashlight, I'm not just looking for a flashlight, I'm also looking for an emergency wacking device that's not a massive Six D-Cell Mag (which is by the way, near outlawed as a weapon here. I think it's legal to buy, but I know for certain that if someone attacks you, and you respond with a 5 or 6 D-Cell Mag, you go to jail. 4 D-Cell and down is just not bright enough for me.). So, when I see a light with a striking end, and named "military model," I assume that it's meant to be sold for some sort of wacking purposes. Maybe it's the "military" emphasis that threw me off. Did I miss something here? Am I just too new, and too ignorant?
 
I already see where this could be going, so allow me to clarify my stance on violence, before assumptions get carried away. I do not like violence. I do not glorify cop shows or the military channel. However, I am not a pacifist, and I realize that I am not above violence because violence is not above happening to me. A flashlight is not the only thing in at disposal. I have survived one violent close-encounter within the last few years, and I would not care to repeat the incident. About that incident, I will only say that it was very sudden, and that my then EDC light, a Surefire 6P-D, was quite the scale tipper. I do not buy flashlights as weapons, I buy flashlights as flashlights that can also be weapons in the most unfortunate of situations.
Why? Because I live in a pretty liberal section of the United States, and thusly weaponry for home & personal defense is a bit of a pain in the *** to get your hands on if you're a law-abiding citizen. If you're a criminal with no respect for such rules and laws, it's much easier because you don't care about the law that says you can't have that - whereas the rest of us do, so we're basically screwed. Unless that gets overhauled (not any time soon), the tactical-type flashlight is my best solution. So try to reserve your nominations for the Darwin Award, because I'm sure just about all of you are on the same page of the law as I am, and I'm also sure a fair number of you aren't as screwed by it as I am. I'm not going to bother getting into my opinions on Pepper Spray because this isn't scovilleunitforums.com.

Returning to the subject:
Forgive me - yes, when I'm looking at a flashlight, I'm not just looking for a flashlight, I'm also looking for an emergency wacking device that's not a massive Six D-Cell Mag (which is by the way, near outlawed as a weapon here. I think it's legal to buy, but I know for certain that if someone attacks you, and you respond with a 5 or 6 D-Cell Mag, you go to jail. 4 D-Cell and down is just not bright enough for me.). So, when I see a light with a striking end, and named "military model," I assume that it's meant to be sold for some sort of wacking purposes. Maybe it's the "military" emphasis that threw me off. Did I miss something here? Am I just too new, and too ignorant?

I think you just bought the wrong light honestly. The switching ring was what drew a good number of us initially, and is the main thing that differentiates this light from the whole host of other P7 / MC-E lights out there. So, if yuo didn't like the selector ring idea, i'm not sure why you got this.

And to be fair to Eagletac, i don't think they have ever advertised the crenelated bezel as a strike bezel, its more for knowing whether or not the light is on when placed face down. In fact, i think Peter of 4sevens specifically mentioned that the bezel was flat and non aggressive in the marketplace thread to assure us that it wouldn't be a pocket/bag/holster killer. Perhaps the Triton M30 would have been more your kind of light?

edit: as for using the M2XC4 as an emergency whacking device, wouldn't the heavily weighted head be a good club? 😀
 
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I actually liked the idea of a selector ring too, until it actually got here and I realized there were no selections on it. It's also pretty narrow, and easy to skip the selection you actually want and go to another one.
 
Out of curiosity silentlight, would you want it to have a visual selector aid or tactile feedback (i.e. clicks)? I like the smooth, silent ring however I did switch too far and skip over high the first time I picked one up. So I'd just like a bit more of a visual cue. The Fenix TK30 has a stiffer click selector ring that you might want to look into.
Have you contacted your dealer about the stuck screws yet? There are a couple possibilities for what you could do.
 
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I don't see why the light couldn't have both. If clicks are possible to throw in without leaving room for accidentally jamming the ring in the future, that would help keep users from overshooting their desired setting, and also help find that setting in the dark (which is presumably where you would want to have a flashlight). Adding a set of visual aids has nothing to do with mechanical or electrical details, it's more a matter of punching or painting symbols into the outter shell on the selector ring. If I really had to choose? Clicks.

Also, no I haven't contacted my dealer yet. My dealer is both pleasant and professional and I would rather not waste his time over a pair of jammed screws. Retail is retail, and I'm sure he has enough crap to deal with.
 
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M2 vs M2X!

Hey guys,

I received both the M2C4 and the M2XC4 (cool) today from 4sevens. In a word, I am DELIGHTED! :thumbsup:

I popped in 2 AW 18650s in each and played with them tonight. Some overall impressions:

Fit & Finish is top-notch! Just gorgeous lights!
They are hefty but not crazy big, I feel like a non-flashaholic would think they are a little thick but actually, compared to an olde school flashlight like this:
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they are downright compact!

Now, once you pick them up, different story... they are HEAVY! Not in a bad way, but wow, these lights have some mass. The one thing I don't like is that they are fairly top heavy (especially the multi-cree M2XC4--more on the differences in a moment!), and I find less comfortable to carry in the overhand 'tactical' mode (like this:
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).

That said, without the clicky and carried "underhand" it feels great and the selector ring works beautifully!

As for the UI, I'm going to have to +1 to the others: silky smooth and brilliant, BUT needs detents or clicks and, really, ought to have strobe to the Left or removed. I keep hitting strobe which gives me a bit of a headache... If I could just get rid of strobe that would be enough for me since the ring is so smooth and allows you to set your brightness so easily.

Comparison between the two:
1. I actually prefer to carry and hold the M2C4 P7 model vs. the multi-cree M2X as the head on the M2X is a bit heavier making it seem even more top heavy!

2. The color of light is fantastic. I have to say that the P7 is a bit warmer than the multi-cree but not by much. In fact, the cool M2X is amazing and not that "cool" at all--I'd put it right with (or perhaps better than?!) my Fenix TK11 which has my favorite tint of all my lights! So overall, A+ here and for the cool M2X: A++!

3. Brightness is amazing, especially when you compare it to your old cannons--Fenix TK11, Pelican 7060, etc. It's devastatingly bright! Now, I know that the P7 model is "rated" at 900 lumens (best case from the emitter, of course) and the M2X is "rated" at 800 lumens (same caveat), but I really feel that the M2X is brighter in every regard, including ceiling test. Of course it's hard to tell and there is emitter variability, so YMMV, but wow--if I had to impress someone, the multi-cree is the next level up. So I think that the initial instinct of the flashaholics here to go for the multi-cree (see, for example, that thread with the poll on which one folks were going to get) was spot-on.

I still love the P7 and am excited to play with it, but the M2X is superior both in throw (clearly) and in my samples even in spill/flood characteristics. In looking around dark rooms in my home, they both did an insane job, but the M2X just seemed to have more punch!

In looking closely, I guess I can still imagine how the P7 could output more light: the overall spot size (hotspot + spill) is bigger. So even though the spill vs. spill seems similar (or even favoring the M2X), because the overall spill is larger in the P7 that could well explain where the lumens went.

4. Beam characteristics: building on the last point, the multi does have a complex pattern that is "floral" while the P7's is very smooth and devoid of all rings! The multi has a much more intense hotspot while the P7 does have this silky smooth transition from hotspot to spill. In function, perhaps not so important, but very beautiful to look at.

Conclusions:
This is a contender for light of the year!
If I had to pick one, I would go M2X, though, ridiculously, something about the P7 keeps drawing me towards it. It's the one I keep reaching for to play with. The weight/balance is just a touch better which seems to make all the difference in my hand. The quality of the light is also so nice and smooth and is so fundamentally different from the ringy Cree beams we are used to. Both kick a lot of butt and would be amazing Hand Cannon Duty lights, likely blowing away your regular light.

Whoo hooo!
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Does anybody have real life pictures of M2/M2X?
All I could find are advertising ones and of prototypes.

Thanks,
Andrey
 
Re: M2 vs M2X!

As for the UI, I'm going to have to +1 to the others: silky smooth and brilliant, BUT needs detents or clicks and, really, ought to have strobe to the Left or removed. I keep hitting strobe which gives me a bit of a headache... If I could just get rid of strobe that would be enough for me since the ring is so smooth and allows you to set your brightness so easily.

On this note, I thought you all might be interested in adsl_keeki's fix for the strobe being so close to turbo:

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=231907

Edit: Swift and great response from Eagletac, including soldering tips - see post #4
 
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That's a good fix.

I don't know why Eagletac spaced the levels so that it's so easy to skip past the Turbo mode into the Strobe.

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EDIT: CORRECTED ERROR IN DEGREE SPREAD CALCULATIONS.
 
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I use the clicky on my M2XC4 and I was able to remove the strobe and the off positions using a simple, low tech fix.

If you unscrew the head and pull off the selector ring, you will see a protruding tab adjacent to the magnet in the ring. That tab runs along a slot in the head. That slot determines how far the ring can be rotated. If you glue a 1 cm shim to each end of the slot (I used a piece clipped from a paperclip), it will prevent the ring from turning all the way. With a shim on each end of the slot, I eliminated the strobe and the off positions.

After making this modification, it doesn't matter how slim the turbo mode is. I get turbo at the full stop on one end, and low at the full stop at the other end. If you don't use the clicky but still want to eliminate the strobe, a single shim at the correct end of the slot will do the trick.

I'm at work right now, so sorry, no pics. Hopefully, my description was clear.

Hope that helps!
 
my light sits at the post office right now because noone was home when the delivery guy came, I'm going to pick it up later :popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
 
my light sits at the post office right now because noone was home when the delivery guy came, I'm going to pick it up later :popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
GOT IT NOW :party:

I love the 'neutral' light color, looks great!

turbo is way too short. I end up in high or strobe all the time. I guess I will get used to handling it. If not I'll use that fix someone here found, shouldn't be a big issue.

it came with two battery carriers, guess I'm lucky. the crews were very easily removed and in less than five minutes the clicky was installed.
so I clicked the clicky and was disappointed: no light 🙁 I forgot to turn the selector ring into a position that actually emits light :banghead::stupid:

It makes my Fenix T1 look soo weak! It is focused much more and brighter too. I love it.

It's big, but fits in my hand very comfortably.

:party: :thumbsup:


Edit: only one hour to sunset! http://www70.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=sun+set+achern


Edit 2: When I turn the selector ring from off to low the light flashes very brightly but only for a very short time. I don't observe anything like that between other modes. If I turn off the light with the clicky in low mode it also flashes when I turn it on again. Again only in low.
The flash is very comparable to what my older Fenix L2D does, but it's much shorter and I don't think it's an issue.
54 minutes to sunset! :popcorn:
 
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I use the clicky on my M2XC4 and I was able to remove the strobe and the off positions using a simple, low tech fix.

If you unscrew the head and pull off the selector ring, you will see a protruding tab adjacent to the magnet in the ring. That tab runs along a slot in the head. That slot determines how far the ring can be rotated. If you glue a 1 cm shim to each end of the slot (I used a piece clipped from a paperclip), it will prevent the ring from turning all the way. With a shim on each end of the slot, I eliminated the strobe and the off positions.

After making this modification, it doesn't matter how slim the turbo mode is. I get turbo at the full stop on one end, and low at the full stop at the other end. If you don't use the clicky but still want to eliminate the strobe, a single shim at the correct end of the slot will do the trick.

I'm at work right now, so sorry, no pics. Hopefully, my description was clear.

Hope that helps!


That is very cool. I think I'll opt to eliminate strobe then. Thanx !!! 😀
bernie
 
Edit 2: When I turn the selector ring from off to low the light flashes very brightly but only for a very short time. I don't observe anything like that between other modes. If I turn off the light with the clicky in low mode it also flashes when I turn it on again. Again only in low.
The flash is very comparable to what my older Fenix L2D does, but it's much shorter and I don't think it's an issue.

Same here, it flashes briefly to maybe medium, then instantly settles to low, barely noticeable. good thing it's not a full turbo flash like the L2D does 😉

For best effect when it gets dark let your eyes get adapted a little to the low ambient light before you play with the M2 😉
 
Same here, it flashes briefly to maybe medium, then instantly settles to low, barely noticeable. good thing it's not a full turbo flash like the L2D does 😉

For best effect when it gets dark let your eyes get adapted a little to the low ambient light before you play with the M2 😉
Got a 2xAAA minimag borrowed from a friend for testing clipped to my pocket right now:thumbsup:
I think the difference might be noticeable:shrug:
 
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