Actual Lumens readings in 6" dia. Lab Sphere IS with SC 5500 control - PART II

[SwatDude]

Re: Actual Lumens readings in 6" dia. Lab Sphere IS with SC 5500 control - PART II

I can carry 470 lumens in my Malkoff MD2 in my front pocket and it has 1 low mode, no stupid strobe, no really stupid SOS.

Does the MD2 come with a drop-in? What battery/ drop-in combo are you using to get 470 lumens?

 

[Bullzeyebill]

Re: Actual Lumens readings in 6" dia. Lab Sphere IS with SC 5500 control - PART II

Does the MD2 come with a drop-in? What battery/ drop-in combo are you using to get 470 lumens?

Go to post 1 and post 2 in this thread, and look at the results. MrGman references the type of drop in host, and the type of batteries used. No, the MD2 does not come with a drop in. Go to this site, and check it out. http://www.malkoffdevices.com/shop2/

Bill

 

[SwatDude]

Re: Actual Lumens readings in 6" dia. Lab Sphere IS with SC 5500 control - PART II

Go to post 1 and post 2 in this thread, and look at the results. MrGman references the type of drop in host, and the type of batteries used. No, the MD2 does not come with a drop in. Go to this site, and check it out. http://www.malkoffdevices.com/shop2/

Bill

Bill, I had done that before asking the question. There is no Malkoff MD2 host listed that puts out 470 lumens.

 

[LuxLuthor]

Re: Actual Lumens readings in 6" dia. Lab Sphere IS with SC 5500 control - PART II

I just had a late night humerous thought of someone stupidly sticking a torch (as in a 100-250W bulb) incan in the hole while GMan is watching his meter peg, and suddenly his entire 6" sphere melts from the heat.

Well it was a humerous thought to me.....and it is late.....

It does make me wonder how various companies measure high heat output bulbs to get accurate ratings without damaging their setups.

 

[MrGman]

Re: Actual Lumens readings in 6" dia. Lab Sphere IS with SC 5500 control - PART II

Bill, I had done that before asking the question. There is no Malkoff MD2 host listed that puts out 470 lumens.

Mr Dude, you should be swatted

The host is sold separately and you can put in any of Gene Malkoff's M30 or M60 (the MC-E are part of the M60 series) Modules you like. I have the MC-E cool or "neutral" tint, that in combination with this host that does not have any additional glass layers in front of the module (the frosted diffuser of the MC-E is a hard glass I checked), I get 470 lumens out. I use 2 AWRCR123 batteries, can also use 2 CR123 primaries. I also have the 2 mode "switch" ring to step it down to low when I want from high. All available on the Malkoff website.

I have posted this unit's output in Solarforce hosts on this thread. The knowledge that the MD2 is just the host that is a customfit for the Malkoff modules is published in several places. But since you didn't see the actual data that said MC-E and MD2 in this thread specifically I want razz you at all 😗.

The MC-E neutral or cool M60 module is rated at 500 lumens but normally through some ones front bezel with glass you lose a little. I am getting an honest 470 lumens out the front with 2 little batteries from the Malkoff MD2 host which I am so danged happy with for its ergonomic function and really cool looks, I just can't say it. And I mean it, I have 20 danged high tech flashlights. The knurling on this one makes it so I don't have to have a grip ring or some other special feature to hang on to the light. The size is great, its comfortable in my pants pockets. The pushbutton tactile feel is perfect. I can do momentary or forward click on and off. I have high and low when I want and only when I want as I don't have to cycle from high through low and back on the switch.

You can go to the Malkoff site, buy the MD2 host, buy the M60-MC-E module neutral or warm and the 2 mode switch ring and have what I have.

http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2975656&postcount=120

Check out all of this thread with my testing starting on page 2 to give you more history of this MD2 flashlight host. It is designed exclusively for the Malkoff modules and it really works well. And you can have 470 lumens in this size host in short order. G.

 

[MrGman]

Re: Actual Lumens readings in 6" dia. Lab Sphere IS with SC 5500 control - PART II

I just had a late night humerous thought of someone stupidly sticking a torch (as in a 100-250W bulb) incan in the hole while GMan is watching his meter peg, and suddenly his entire 6" sphere melts from the heat.

Well it was a humerous thought to me.....and it is late.....

It does make me wonder how various companies measure high heat output bulbs to get accurate ratings without damaging their setups.

The 6 inch sphere system made by Labsphere is high grade Aluminum with Barium Oxide coatings inside. It would take a lot for something to happen to that.

My sphere system in the secret bunker O truth is styrofoam but it is also 16 inches inside diameter and I have put in 1000 plus lumen incans that were running over 40 watts and most probably over 50 watts to get that kind of output with no problem.

 

[SwatDude]

Re: Actual Lumens readings in 6" dia. Lab Sphere IS with SC 5500 control - PART II

You can go to the Malkoff site, buy the MD2 host, buy the M60-MC-E module neutral or warm and the 2 mode switch ring and have what I have.

:twothumbsPrecisely the answer I was looking for!!!! Thanks!

 

[MrGman]

Re: Actual Lumens readings in 6" dia. Lab Sphere IS with SC 5500 control - PART II

:twothumbsPrecisely the answer I was looking for!!!! Thanks!

Your required payment will be 2 boxes of ammo, the "good" stuff. 😗

 

[MrGman]

Re: Actual Lumens readings in 6" dia. Lab Sphere IS with SC 5500 control - PART II

I tested my first LED light for a handgun. The Streamlight TLR-1 rated at about 130 lumens. Measures more, quite a pleasant surprise. Its all on page one but here is a glimpse.

Streamlight_TLR-1_Rail Mount_2X_CR123,__________159.8 Lum____1 sec
Streamlight_TLR-1_Rail Mount_2X_CR123,__________159.2 Lum____5 sec

I have had the Glock brand Laser/Flashlight combo for a long time. Its original Incandescent lamp measures 60 lumens at turn on. I no longer consider this really adequate. Its a "better than nothing" light source. But since the laser works really well has proven to be very reliable over the years, I have kept it. G.

 

[Alan B]

Re: Actual Lumens readings in 6" dia. Lab Sphere IS with SC 5500 control - PART II

The 6 inch sphere system made by Labsphere is high grade Aluminum with Barium Oxide coatings inside. It would take a lot for something to happen to that.

My sphere system in the secret bunker O truth is styrofoam but it is also 16 inches inside diameter and I have put in 1000 plus lumen incans that were running over 40 watts and most probably over 50 watts to get that kind of output with no problem.

I have my 6D M@g working now (it was not yet working the day of the recent CPF gathering), and it has a standard size head, so maybe next time we can see what 160 watts does... Maybe we can get to 3-4K lumens...

The 16 inch styrofoam sphere should be okay for a short test. Perhaps I should test it on a chunk of styrofoam at close range. There is a lot of surface area in there to spread the heat over, but then again not much mass. Well, read the meter quickly :thumbsup:

 

[MrGman]

Re: Actual Lumens readings in 6" dia. Lab Sphere IS with SC 5500 control - PART II

do a test where the light is pointing at the styrofoam surface literally 16 inches away and hold it there for one minute. If you aren't burning the styrofoam we have a chance. The heat from the head will have to be cooled by fan to not get the opening hot enough to melt. I am worried that you could damage the sphere. A 10 second run may be all you get at that. send me a PM with the results and we will talk about you coming over for a real measurement. G.

 

[Alan B]

Re: Actual Lumens readings in 6" dia. Lab Sphere IS with SC 5500 control - PART II

do a test where the light is pointing at the styrofoam surface literally 16 inches away and hold it there for one minute. If you aren't burning the styrofoam we have a chance. The heat from the head will have to be cooled by fan to not get the opening hot enough to melt. I am worried that you could damage the sphere. A 10 second run may be all you get at that. send me a PM with the results and we will talk about you coming over for a real measurement. G.

I did a couple of quick tests, not a minute but about 20-30 seconds. From a couple of inches the styrofoam took pretty significant damage. From 8" there was no effect, the surface was only warm. From 16", for 10-20 seconds, there seems to be very little risk at this power level. Now one of the 350 watt monsters might be different. The head was warming up but not hot.

 

[SwatDude]

Re: Actual Lumens readings in 6" dia. Lab Sphere IS with SC 5500 control - PART II

Your required payment will be 2 boxes of ammo, the "good" stuff. 😗

What caliber??

 

[SwatDude]

Re: Actual Lumens readings in 6" dia. Lab Sphere IS with SC 5500 control - PART II

I tested my first LED light for a handgun. The Streamlight TLR-1 rated at about 130 lumens. Measures more, quite a pleasant surprise. Its all on page one but here is a glimpse.

Streamlight_TLR-1_Rail Mount_2X_CR123,__________159.8 Lum____1 sec
Streamlight_TLR-1_Rail Mount_2X_CR123,__________159.2 Lum____5 sec

I have had the Glock brand Laser/Flashlight combo for a long time. Its original Incandescent lamp measures 60 lumens at turn on. I no longer consider this really adequate. Its a "better than nothing" light source. But since the laser works really well has proven to be very reliable over the years, I have kept it. G.

I have the TLR-1 and the Surefire X300. I would be curious to see which one was brighter. I know this is probably blasphemy on this website but I don't like the switches as well on the surefire as I do the TLR. Also, I have come to believe Surefire's customer service bites. I have sent at least 3 emails that went unresponded asking a technical question about their products.

 

[MrGman]

Re: Actual Lumens readings in 6" dia. Lab Sphere IS with SC 5500 control - PART II

What caliber??

168 grain boat tail 308 of course. How could you ask such a silly question. :thinking:

 

[Alan B]

Re: Actual Lumens readings in 6" dia. Lab Sphere IS with SC 5500 control - PART II

168 grain boat tail 308 of course. How could you ask such a silly question. :thinking:

Not the VLDs? What about the 300 win mags??

 

[MrGman]

Re: Actual Lumens readings in 6" dia. Lab Sphere IS with SC 5500 control - PART II

Not the VLDs? What about the 300 win mags??

Last response to this off topic stuff since I started it.

Its dialed in for the Sierra Boat Tails and I ain't changing it.

I shoot 300 Short mags as well, 150 grain rockets, all dialed in for those in yet a different top secret project.

Okay back to light stuff. I want my phaser rifle! 100 joules at a whack should be good for starters.

 

[MrGman]

Re: Actual Lumens readings in 6" dia. Lab Sphere IS with SC 5500 control - PART II

I have new video in the video section thread on page 1. It is the last one in the what will become the "old" backyard of truth. Moving to a new place with a mega yard. Anyway tested bigchelis' 1700 lumens monster among several other MC-E and P7 lights, highlighted in red.

 

[Patriot]

Re: Actual Lumens readings in 6" dia. Lab Sphere IS with SC 5500 control - PART II

In enjoyed the most recent video with the LED Zeppelin lights compared. Actually, everything that was compared was helpful and informative as usual.

Thanks for taking the time Gman and bigchelis.
:thanks:

 

[Patriot]

Re: Actual Lumens readings in 6" dia. Lab Sphere IS with SC 5500 control - PART II

Because of all the totally over the top nitpicking about this and that of all these 600 plus lumens lights that people would have totally killed for 5 years ago, and now the rotation of the switch just isn't right, or its front heavy or the low mode just isn't low enough.

I can carry 470 lumens in my Malkoff MD2 in my front pocket and it has 1 low mode, no stupid strobe, no really stupid SOS. No hitting the button 12 times to get back to high, no figuring out how far to turn the ring and oops I overshot turbo now I am in strobe. Just tired of all of it. Buy the light, be happy, don't assume it will save you from alien attack.

So true! Even 2 years ago for that matter. It's fascinating to me that people get so hung up over the tiniest of nuances. I'm nearly convinced that a person could pick any of the popularly known 4-die lights currently available off of looks alone and they wouldn't be disappointed in the end. Hey, obviously there's nothing wrong with weighing the options before spending hard earned money but I do think there is a link between too much information and indecision.

Interesting that you also mention and find value in simplistic and basic functions vs. some of the complicated multi-mode "computer lights" that are available today. It reminded me that at one time I knew every setting and feature of my Novatac 120P. Today I only remember the most basic functions and have to refer to the guide for anything beyond that. More often than not I find myself reaching for a basic 2 stage light which will suffice for 90% of my lighting needs.