advice for light when walking dogs

amorak

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first post, this is a very informative site. i have learned quite a bit from you folks by studying your posts.
what model light would be recomended for use when walking my dogs early in the AM. There is an occasional attack by loose dogs on mine, (i have 4 big dogs) the concern is more with the dogs coming in on me than mine, i currently have a surefire L1. am vying for more light and perhaps a disabling strobe. the light needs to be on the belt or in a pocket.
it seems that Fenix has the TK10 or i see there is new lights out PD30, PD20 may be the best choice.
I noticed that some have posted that the rechargeables are better to achieve higher power lights?
thanks in advance for any advice,

Bill
 
My f-i-l had me get him a Fenix P2D Q5 Premium like mine. He carries it when he walks their miniature Schnauzers as they R-V - which is about half the year. He likes the regular high brightness - 107 Lumens. On Turbo - 180 Lumens - it will also strobe at that level - very irritating. It comes with a nice belt sheath, too - but no clip.

My new Surefire E1B Backup has a clip - and, at 80 Lumens, is bright enough for me. It has a 5 Lumen low - but no strobe. Plus - with the recent price increase, you could buy two of the P2Ds - and a bunch of CR123s!

Stainz
 
would a dog even stop for a light?

He might if he was out of matches?:naughty:
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For walking the dog I like a light with two or three modes. I want a low, say 5 - 12 lumens for general use and a high power mode, say 100 - 200 lumens for looking ahead or behind me. A medium mode might be usefull but not completely necessary. I don't think the TK series of lights have a low enough low for not attracting attention while walking the dog in a rural area. A number of lights off the top of my head would work. This list is by no means a complete list of suitable lights.

Nautilus
Aeon
P2D
P3D
L1D
L2D
E1B
E2DL
Novatac
Photon Pro
U2

Good Luck, oh and by the way, WELCOME TO CPF

:welcome:

Bill
 
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Well, for what you want, "more output and disabling strobe" I'd go with the Fenix P3D/PD30. It still has a low level for actually seeing where you're going but with a twist of the bezel you've got 200+ lumens or a strobe mode. They are great lights for the $$ and should be perfect for what you need it for IMO...................

BTW, welcome to the forums!! :wave:
 
I'm not sure strobes really work. I bought a strobe light a while back for dog defence. Tried it on my dog and she just looked back at me totally unfazed. Freaked out my wife though - so good wife deterrent, poor dog stopper
 
I have canine working experience and I would not count on a strobe light to stop a dog. It can be a deterrent against some curious dogs or dogs that are not wound up and ready for battle. A dog that is attacking is acting on instinct, and instinct usually overrides everything else. I carry a stun pen, but both that product and conventional stun guns are only effective in close quarters and you may have to find a hairless spot for them to be effective (Most dogs have a few realy good spots you can use). Even Taser probes may have diffficulty getting through a heavy coat. And remember to check the legality of any stun device. They are banned in some states and even some individual cities within permissable states.

I think your best use for a light is to carry one, such as those already suggested, that provides a low output to be discreet and a high output with good throw that is easily and quickly assessable which you can use to stay aware of what is going on around you. Your L1's switch is perfect for that task. Once aware, you can either change direction or try to affect the other dog's behavior as best you can while it is still a good distance away. Awareness is your best friend.

I have used both high powered beams and strobes to move skunks out of the way, even when encountering them at close distance. Have accidentally been as close as four to six feet and gotten away cleanly (literally).
 
I have exactly the same scenario as you do except I walk mine late at night instead of early in the morning.

I have a Fenix L2D Q5 that works very well. I use it on high (107 lumens). It has a turbo strobe. I used it last night on a barking dog but it didn't appear to do much to him. It has a great, 4 hour runtime on high.

I have a Nitecore D10 GDP and I have used it some for walking at night. I slightly prefer its beam over the Fenix but it doesn't have a good runtime (50 minutes on high using a single AA) and it gets very warm in your hand. I am waiting the Nitecore D20 to become available and get a few reviews. I am hope it will have the beam of the D10 along with the excellent runtime of the L2D Q5 which would be a great walking light for my uses.

Personally I would go with a Fenix or Nitecore over the much more expensive lights previously mentioned.
 
Being aware of the surroundings is paramount to avoiding confrontations, thus the good strong light, another deterent i use is a loud whistle, one that i used when i coached the daughters basketball, this does work MOST of the time.
If the strobe works on humans i would certainly think that it would work on dogs even if they are worked up. When they get in the attack mode though, i have experienced this several times, it is tough to divert the attention.
For ones that have never been in a all out dog fight (between dogs that you are trying to stop) it is a frightful experience.

This is an excellent site, thanks for the welcome

I will look into the good advice coming, and let all know what i get and how it works.:)
 
I use my Dereelight CL1H V4 when I walk my dog. I use the OP reflector with 3sd pill and AW 18650 battery. It is 3 stages controlled by the clickie, plenty of spill so you can see where you are walking, and low is low enough that you won't accidently blind your dog. High will really light everything up! I have used high, (hotspot right in the eyes), along with a shout to temporarily blind, disorient, and deter aggresive strays. I live in Northeast Tennessee and 'lieve me they is plenty critters, (four-legged and two-legged) 'round yeer! The light has yet to fail me! I also have my NDI wich I always carry.
 
I have canine working experience and I would not count on a strobe light to stop a dog. It can be a deterrent against some curious dogs or dogs that are not wound up and ready for battle. A dog that is attacking is acting on instinct, and instinct usually overrides everything else.


I fully agree with GreySave. In my experience a really bright light can reduce a dog's confidence a bit and in some cases might be just enough to make fear override its curiosity. Against a well trained dog...forget it. Fortunately we're not talking about well trained dogs, unless you're a criminal and instead talking about rogue or unsupervised animals.

I've fired practice taser cartridges at cardboard before, but I can't imagine how nearly impossible it would be to score a taser hit on a lightning quick animal in attack mode. Honestly, it would be one of the last weapons that I'd want. Neither would I want a hand held stun-gun because if the close proximity that it puts your extremities within inches of bone crushing rows of teeth, not to mention that it may or may not have the desired effect. If a vicious dog is within that range I'd much rather be wielding 9 inches of sharp steel. As a dog and animal lover the last thing I'd want to be faced with would be permanently harming or killing a dog. This brings me to one of the only non-lethal, yet fairly reliable deterrents that I've used for about 20 years, pepper spray. I've had great results with it while mountain biking and the best part is that it doesn't require great user skill, precision, or even speed. I routinely carry three different sizes, depending on the outdoor activity. My smallest is an ASP Street defender (15 grams of propellant). My medium size is Police Magnum w/jogger's hand strap (2.0 oz of propellant). My large size is Pepper Power, bear spray w/belt case (9.2 oz of propellant). The larger the volume of spray the more "stand off" distance it provides but just as important, it can be much more forgiving for the user. For someone needing a general purpose defense spray where size and weight are not critical, I'd highly suggest a 7.0 oz size fogger or larger. They put out as much in a half second as the ASP Street Defender has in its entire capacity and provide an honest 20-30 foot effective range. The large cone shaped stream covers a wide area quickly and can even form a sort of airborne barrier for a few seconds depending upon wind conditions.

I've emptied 6 or 8 key defender cartridges, both practice and actual pepper, and several 1-2 oz prays of varying types. I've emptied a 9 & 13 oz canisters also which was very impressive. Trying those live is what convinced me to use the largest spray that I can carry in a practical manner. They are impressive to users who've only experience using key or purse sized sprays. Most of the larger "foggers" were designed and formulated to repel bear but they work equally well on any animal with eyes, respiratory system and mucus membranes.

Would I rely solely on defense spray to protect me from something that had the capability to kill me?...no way. I still carry a last ditch means should I ever find that my first line of defense didn't work. Obviously, everyone will have to decide for themselves whether or not you'd be capable or willing to protect your life futher if pepper spray doesn't work.
 
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Pepper spray is supposed to work on dogs.

And really that's probably the best option. I've seen people carrying walking sticks in case they ever have to fight off a dog and what does it do? It excites some dogs! Most are playing, but some aggressive ones might become more aggressive when met with a stick. It risks escalating the situation unnecessarily.

You hit someone's dog and that's serious. So either you might hesitate to act or maybe face consequences for acting inappropriately. Either one sucks. Pepper spray is probably just gonna get cleaned up no harm no foul. Maybe the dog will think twice before jumping up on strangers for real. They think a stick or baton was playing then getting whacked was just an accident and wanna do it again.
 
People might laugh at this but actually water can be an effective dog stopper!

A few years ago I was chased by a couple of dogs. I didnt run - just kept steadily walking - as soon as they got about 3 feet away I splashed them with in the faces with water from my drink bottle. They were so shocked they decided to go off and find someone else to bother!


However this is not going to work on a feral dog with rabies!
 
I love animals and dogs in particular. I would much rather scare one off than to hurt or kill one. I am a veteran, SEMPER FIDELIS, and know from experience what a well trained dog can do. I agree with with GreySave that being aware is paramount. Humans count on their sight more than any other sense, (unless you are blind), and honestly our night vision sucks. That is what brought me here in the first place. I am a type 2 diabetic and have been diagnosed with moderate to severe retinopathy, my night vision really sucks! I googled flashlight, started surfing and found my way here. I also agree with Patriot36 that unless you are a criminal and are where you should not be, you will not find yourself in a confrontation with a well trained dog that can maim or kill you. I now have several IMO really good lights, and love walking my dog at night because of it. Get a good light or 2 or 3 or..., put a leash on your dog, go for a walk, and have fun experimenting and playing with your new flashlights! This has become my favorite activity, and suspect by his reaction when I put on my hiking shoes and grab my light it is also my best friend Buster's to!
 
I use an ITP C6 w/SMO. The regular version has strobe. I agree with the others who say strobe is not as effective as we might like it to be on dogs. C6 at max brightness focused on the eyes has frozen a few curious strays along my walks and allowed us to walk away. I think the Taskforce 2C Cree version is a good choice as well.
 
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