Amazon Basics BLACK = Eneloop XX??

[fedcas]

Hi guys,
A lot has been written about Amazon Basics WHITE NiMH LSD batteries and the general consensu seems they are basically rebranded eneleoops: same product code with just the -AMZN suffix added (for example HR-3UTG-AMZN), same specifications, both made in japan

But what about the High Capacity (black) version of the amazon basics? I can't find much info on the internet:

AA:
http://www.amazon.it/dp/B00HZV9WTM/

AAA:
http://www.amazon.it/dp/B00HZV9YE0/


They are still made in japan, but the code is not particularly similar to any of the ones from the eneloops:

amazon basics black AA: HR-3UTHA-AMZN
amazon basics black AAA: HR-4UTHA-AMZN

eneloop codes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eneloop#Comparison_table


moreover, if the amazon black AA specs match exactly the 1st gen eneloop XX (500 cycles, 2400 mAh min., 2500 mAh typ.) so they might be the same cells rebranded, i'm more suspicious about the black AAA. I have them and I confirm they are made in japan, but the amazon specs are:

500 cycles, 800 mAh min., 850 mAh typ.

but eneloops XX 1st gen. don't even exist in AAA size, and the later genenerations have:

500 cycles, 850 mAh min., 900 mAh typ.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eneloop#Comparison_table




so what do you think?

 

[SubLGT]

We will have to wait for HKJ to publish his test results on these cells.

 

[fedcas]

We will have to wait for HKJ to publish his test results on these cells.

did he say it's planned?

 

[gallon]

Same batteries.

Read the recent Duracell Ion Core thread for info.

 

[SubLGT]

did he say it's planned?

Yes, here: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/37809

 

[fedcas]

Same batteries.

Read the recent Duracell Ion Core thread for info.

I've read it but there's not that much info about amazon basics. Just a statement in post #97 but refering to AAs... i'm wondering mostly about AAAs cause the specs are different from eneloops.

Yes, here: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/37809

awesome!

HKJ wrote:
………………..At the current time I am testing on the Amazon basic……………..

The white, or black AA Amazon Basic? Both?

All 4: White/black AA/AAA

 

[fedcas]

seems like there's no high capacity version planned in HKJ's tests
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb...est-Review-of-Amazon-Basic-AA-2000mAh-(Black)

 

[HKJ]

seems like there's no high capacity version planned in HKJ's tests
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb...est-Review-of-Amazon-Basic-AA-2000mAh-(Black)

I was not aware that there was two black versions when I ordered them.
This has been corrected and the high capacity is in the mail, but it will probably be the last of the test/reviews.

 

[fedcas]

I was not aware that there was two black versions when I ordered them.
This has been corrected and the high capacity is in the mail, but it will probably be the last of the test/reviews.

wow! tak!

 

[fedcas]

They are still made in japan, but the code is not particularly similar to any of the ones from the eneloops:

amazon basics black AA: HR-3UTHA-AMZN
amazon basics black AAA: HR-4UTHA-AMZN

eneloop codes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eneloop#Comparison_table


moreover, if the amazon black AA specs match exactly the 1st gen eneloop XX (500 cycles, 2400 mAh min., 2500 mAh typ.) so they might be the same cells rebranded, i'm more suspicious about the black AAA. I have them and I confirm they are made in japan, but the amazon specs are:

500 cycles, 800 mAh min., 850 mAh typ.

but eneloops XX 1st gen. don't even exist in AAA size, and the later genenerations have:

500 cycles, 850 mAh min., 900 mAh typ.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eneloop#Comparison_table




so what do you think?

BINGO!!!

http://lygte-info.dk/review/batteries2012/Fujitsu AAA HR-4UTHC 950mAh (Black) UK.html

seems like they are fujitsu... which are still eneloops pro!

I was not aware that there was two black versions when I ordered them.
This has been corrected and the high capacity is in the mail, but it will probably be the last of the test/reviews.

Hi HKJ is the test of these still planned? Just asking

 

[HKJ]

Hi HKJ is the test of these still planned? Just asking

No, plan has been executed: http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb...est-Review-of-Amazon-Basic-AA-2500mAh-(Black)

 

[fedcas]

No, plan has been executed: http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb...est-Review-of-Amazon-Basic-AA-2500mAh-(Black)

I've seen that test, but I was talking about the AAAs. But now that I have figured out the code, I bet that the AAAs are Fujitsu, that you have tested


amazonbasics black AAA: HR-4UTHA-AMZN
Fujitsu AAA: HR-4UTHC

fujitsu AAA test: http://lygte-info.dk/review/batteries2012/Fujitsu AAA HR-4UTHC 950mAh (Black) UK.html

 

[Kurt_Woloch]

Not so fast... even though all those are made by FDK in Japan, there might be differences, as the AmazonBasics cells that have already been tested show:
- The white AA cells show a bit more internal resistance and a bit less capacity than both white Eneloops and Fujitsu's.
- The black AA cells have a bit less capacity than both black Eneloops and Fujitsu's, but they have lower internal resistance than the others.
- The white AAA cells have higher internal resistance and a bit less capacity at high loads than both white Eneloops and Fujitsu's.

One can only guess how the black Japanese AAA's will work out in that respect.

I've seen that test, but I was talking about the AAAs. But now that I have figured out the code, I bet that the AAAs are Fujitsu, that you have tested


amazonbasics black AAA: HR-4UTHA-AMZN
Fujitsu AAA: HR-4UTHC

fujitsu AAA test: http://lygte-info.dk/review/batteries2012/Fujitsu AAA HR-4UTHC 950mAh (Black) UK.html

 

[HKJ]

I've seen that test, but I was talking about the AAAs. But now that I have figured out the code, I bet that the AAAs are Fujitsu, that you have tested

I did not see that version of AAA when I ordered last. I will try to include them in my next Amazon order.
If there are other NiMH/Alkaline batteries on amazon.co.uk they I ought to test, please say (It has to be from Amazon, not other retailers, due to shipping prize).

 

[Kurt_Woloch]

I'd still vote for testing the Duracell rechargeables because they are also made in Japan and should be roughly equivalent to Eneloop XX's / Pros, but they are much cheaper than those (on Amazon.co.uk, currently a 4-pack of AA's is GBP 7.70, and a 4-pack of AAA's is GBP 4.25, vs. GBP 12.74 / 12.80 for the Eneloops), and also they are much more widely available since they are carried by many stores carrying Duracell alkalines... and those are many because Duracell is probably the most ubiquitious brand of alkalines if you count availability in both Europe and the USA. They are even carried by a big chain of local supermarkets and are the only Japanese cells you can buy there.

I'd also vote for publishing the results for the Duracell and Varta alkalines you have already tested, but didn't get around to publishing the results yet, Varta being another very ubiquitious brand here in Austria.

I did not see that version of AAA when I ordered last. I will try to include them in my next Amazon order.
If there are other NiMH/Alkaline batteries on amazon.co.uk they I ought to test, please say (It has to be from Amazon, not other retailers, due to shipping prize).

 

[HKJ]

I'd still vote for testing the Duracell rechargeables because they are also made in Japan and should be roughly equivalent to Eneloop XX's / Pros

I am testing on the following Duracells:
Duracell AA Duralock 1300mAh (Green-Copper)
Duracell AA Ultra 2400mAh (Green-Copper)
Duracell AAA Duralock 750mAh (Green-Copper)

I'd also vote for publishing the results for the Duracell and Varta alkalines you have already tested, but didn't get around to publishing the results yet, Varta being another very ubiquitious brand here in Austria.

I will try.

 

[Kurt_Woloch]

Thank you very much for your consideration and your tests! As a side note, I've already used your curves and comparisons to talk people out of zinc-carbon batteries they deemed cheap. ;-)

I am testing on the following Duracells:
Duracell AA Duralock 1300mAh (Green-Copper)
Duracell AA Ultra 2400mAh (Green-Copper)
Duracell AAA Duralock 750mAh (Green-Copper)

I will try.

 

[WarRaven]

Looking forward to these results myself as I have a lot of them.
Generally satisfied but wonder.

Right on, thank you.

Have a great day.