Another blow to California’s renewable energy program

Moss Landing has caught fire several times. It's a real issue. Kinks still getting worked out with new tech, I guess. PG&E doesn't care, and will probably never be truly held accountable. They plead guilty to killing 84 people in 2018 and another eight in the 2010 natural gas explosion that blew up a neighborhood pretty close by. They're still the running things.
 
I exceeded my view limit on that link, but that's really nasty. From memory, that looked like a lot of stuff in one place. It seems to me that such storage facilities would be built more like fuel or munitions storage, with materials distributed into smaller stashes in somewhat separate environments / spaces so that if one goes, the whole installation doesn't go. When I see SRP installations, they seem to use multiple modularized or separate housings that look like these?



It's also interesting that they aren't putting all their eggs in the li-ion basket either:

 
We had a fire at a lithium ion battery facility in Escondido, CA catch fire not long ago. It shut down businesses, schools, and was close to a hospital. Now San Diego County is opposed to almost any new plants being built within range of anybody living or working.

They need to look into using sodium ion batteries. They are made from cheap materials, have no hazardous fumes, and don't start fires. They work in extreme hot and cold. They charge and discharge quickly and have a decent number of cell cycles. The only other type I'd trust for this application are Enervenue Nickel Hydrogen batteries. This technology has been used and proven in space on satellites for decades. The company just found cheaper materials that worked to produce the product so it is now affordable. For large scale power storage applications, the batteries don't have to be light or compact. Using lithium is a waste.
 
We had a fire at a lithium ion battery facility in Escondido, CA catch fire not long ago. It shut down businesses, schools, and was close to a hospital. Now San Diego County is opposed to almost any new plants being built within range of anybody living or working.
Sickening that folks only wise up after a major accident or a tragedy.
 
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The obvious solution is to use natural gas & nuclear instead of using Chinese solar panels and damaging windmills both needing copious lithium battery storage to work.
Taxifornia is learning the hard way after decommissioning San Onofre (SONGS) and now rushing to keep Diablo Canyon operating after scheduling its closure.
 
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From someone who lives in an area that gets truly cold in the winter,, keep Natural Gas for home heating, not for electric generation.
I was having supply issues last week and it was white knuckle/scary for me...( -30~40F wind chill)
Personally keep my house only in the mid 50's in the winter, running my furnace manually only.

There were many times last week I'd try to run my furnace and my burners would just keep going out... had to get up in the middle of the night when usage was down to put a little heat in my house.

>>>>Battery storage for municipal power is ridiculous

edit: born and raised in Wisconsin, so I understand cold
 
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From someone who lives in an area that gets truly cold in the winter,, keep Natural Gas for home heating, not for electric generation.
I was having supply issues last week and it was white knuckle/scary for me...( -30~40F wind chill)
Personally keep my house only in the mid 50's in the winter, running my furnace manually only.

There were many times last week I'd try to run my furnace and my burners would just keep going out... had to get up in the middle of the night when usage was down to put a little heat in my house.

>>>>Battery storage for municipal power is ridiculous

edit: born and raised in Wisconsin, so I understand cold

Orbital, it looks like there was an equipment failure restricting WE natural gas transport, and supposedly back to normal now.


Using natural gas/propane for power generation is one of the cleanest, most energy dense sources of energy, along with nuclear. With Trumps dramatic moves in his first week, eventually should be ridiculous amounts of oil/gasoline/natural gas available, including the profits selling to other nations....as long as the ecoterrorists don't tie everything up with lawsuits.
 
I live a few miles up the coast from that melt down. The morons built the plant without any emergency protocols. To make matters even worse the fallout is right on top of marine life sanctuary.

This is Leon Panetta home stomping grounds. It was Leon and Clinton admin that turned Elk Horn Slough into a protected area.
Ol' Leon has not whimpered a peep since the disaster.

For weeks now, listening to the loudest screamers against Trump. None of these local green weenies have said anything about the residual effects from that fire.

The area, not only is surrounded with wildlife, agricultural is far as you can see in every direction. Strawberry fields, artichokes, veggies.

Ag spokesman, the other day, said soil sample testing should be required for at least next 10 years., haha! Yeah right... What about ground water? It's already full of nitrates contamination from ag industry, what's a little more toxic crap won't hurt, right?

So, enjoy eating fruits from California this season. Maybe y'all start glowing in the dark :grin2:
 
I live a few miles up the coast from that melt down. The morons built the plant without any emergency protocols. To make matters even worse the fallout is right on top of marine life sanctuary.

This is Leon Panetta home stomping grounds. It was Leon and Clinton admin that turned Elk Horn Slough into a protected area.
Ol' Leon has not whimpered a peep since the disaster.

For weeks now, listening to the loudest screamers against Trump. None of these local green weenies have said anything about the residual effects from that fire.

The area, not only is surrounded with wildlife, agricultural is far as you can see in every direction. Strawberry fields, artichokes, veggies.

Ag spokesman, the other day, said soil sample testing should be required for at least next 10 years., haha! Yeah right... What about ground water? It's already full of nitrates contamination from ag industry, what's a little more toxic crap won't hurt, right?

So, enjoy eating fruits from California this season. Maybe y'all start glowing in the dark :grin2:

I avoid as much as possible anything coming from China or California.
 
Orbital, it looks like there was an equipment failure restricting WE natural gas transport, and supposedly back to normal now.
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It was worse than stated.

I was having Nat. Gas supply issues all winter. Because I run my furnace manually, I can clearly see the issue.
It was only a 'maybe' to get gas when I turned my furnace On. Often my blower was just pushing cold air around with my furnace desperately trying to get gas,,,,,, after a while it would shut down entirely not putting any heat in the house. Massive problem.
Knew it was a supply issue in that I could get some gas during the lowest demand times > mid day or in the middle of the night.
.......was not a hardware issue at my house

On Jan. 5th or 6th I called WPS and explained there was a supply/pressure issue, the woman I spoke with was helpful and emailed the local Operations Supervisor. He called me within 15 minutes.
We had a intelligent and professional conversation with me explaining it wasn't my meter/pressure regulator/or line to house.
He did suggest having a tech. come out, I declined because it would be conceding and remember,, I could get some gas at low demand times.
That tells you everything.

I could tell in his voice that there likely was a supply issue in the main pipeline but there is no way he was going to admit that.
This was all before the drastic cold front that plunged out of Canada last week.

Can't explain how unnerving it is during extreme could and your burners go out constantly.
You will run out of options quick in that situation.

IMPORTANT:: I did not know the pipeline issue & it becoming public knowledge till the day you posted that link LuxL,,,
I was right anyway.
 
My favorite renewable energy source is wood pellets, which we use in our pellet stove. The Beautiful Mrs. Gardener and I purchased 2,000 lb yesterday, which will last approximately 50 days. The pellets cost $318. As long as we have electricity we have heat. I purchased a generator as a backup ... we've used it twice in the last 25 years.

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It was worse than stated.

I was having Nat. Gas supply issues all winter. Because I run my furnace manually, I can clearly see the issue.
It was only a 'maybe' to get gas when I turned my furnace On. Often my blower was just pushing cold air around with my furnace desperately trying to get gas,,,,,, after a while it would shut down entirely not putting any heat in the house. Massive problem.
Knew it was a supply issue in that I could get some gas during the lowest demand times > mid day or in the middle of the night.
.......was not a hardware issue at my house

On Jan. 5th or 6th I called WPS and explained there was a supply/pressure issue, the woman I spoke with was helpful and emailed the local Operations Supervisor. He called me within 15 minutes.
We had a intelligent and professional conversation with me explaining it wasn't my meter/pressure regulator/or line to house.
He did suggest having a tech. come out, I declined because it would be conceding and remember,, I could get some gas at low demand times.
That tells you everything.

I could tell in his voice that there likely was a supply issue in the main pipeline but there is no way he was going to admit that.
This was all before the drastic cold front that plunged out of Canada last week.

Can't explain how unnerving it is during extreme could and your burners go out constantly.
You will run out of options quick in that situation.

IMPORTANT:: I did not know the pipeline issue & it becoming public knowledge till the day you posted that link LuxL,,,
I was right anyway.

Wow, that is truly disgusting. Aren't there large numbers of citizens demanding resolution? Any correlation to ecoterrorism or political whims? (Ie blocking keystone pipeline type nonsense)
 
My favorite renewable energy source is wood pellets, which we use in our pellet stove. The Beautiful Mrs. Gardener and I purchased 2,000 lb yesterday, which will last approximately 50 days. The pellets cost $318. As long as we have electricity we have heat. I purchased a generator as a backup ... we've used it twice in the last 25 years.

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I LOVE my pellet smoker, and can imagine how well it works in your heater.
 

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