Anyone had ESD problems with power LEDs?

PeterC

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I haven't (yet), but a recent delivery of Cree XR-E LEDs on star boards from DX prompted me to think about it.

The three items that I received were individually wrapped in plain polythene bubblewrap.

In the electronics manufacturing environment that I work, this would be an absolute No-No! Company policy is that all electronic components or sub-assemblies are handled as if they are electro-static sensintive (i.e. may be damaged by static electricity) and they would all be enclosed in bags and wrappings with appropriate ESD properties. Indeed, we actually take this a little further than might be necessary leading to all items issued by stores being enclosed in ESD bags, be they electronic components or not (such as nuts and bolts!).

I had a look at the Cree device datasheet and they describe the bare devices as being "ESD Class 2 (Human Body Model per Mil Std 883D)". This was still not clear to me, so a quick google search for what this might mean gave me this site: http://www.esdsystems.com/whitepapers/wp_devicesandstatic.html

This website states class 2 as being susceptible to electrostatic voltages of 2000-3999V.
NB. The class applies to hybrids with class 2 devices mounted on them – essentially what a LED on a star board is.

Elsewhere on the website, they show a number of examples of static generating situations. The nearest to my bubble-wrapped stars was removing bubble pack from PCBs. In the most advantageous conditions (when humidity is high – I do live in the UK after all!), the static electricity being generated was stated to be 7000V – significantly greater than the danger levels for these LEDs.

Now, I haven't had chance to try out these LEDs yet (and expect to observe no ill effects when I do), but I'm curious to see if anyone has encountered LED failures that could be attributed to possible ESD reasons from inappropriate wrapping or otherwise.
 
If you are removing the stars from the wrap: ground your self. Other wise, the stars should be OK. If any don't work call DX to get replacements, in the mean time try to find a better storage compartment for the LEDs. Personally, I haven't had any issues with ESD, even though I live in a dry environment and work with high output LEDs. I have yet to have an LED die from ESD exposure. If you are planning to work with SSC LEDs though, they are truly sensitive to ESD, I almost killed one.
 
i have never seen a led of any sort die from static electricity, or a computer component either , but i dont have a lot of static here, vrses other locations i have lived.
i have seen MANY more things die from heat, and power and time, and all that other stuff. so i have never worried about it ever.
BUT
i would worry if arcs were jumping from my hands daily.
 
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Not exactly On-Topic, but . . . . :)


Ten+ years ago, i was using a 6-volt (4-F cell) lantern battery.


Connected it to my electric motor (type 540) fron an R/C car i was building. Brand New.


This motor would normally run at 7.2 volts (or higher), and at high current from Ni-Cad packs.


But, i just wanted to hear it "spin", so i could see how it sounds. :D


It ran fine, although "rough", cuz' it wasn't broken-in yet.



However . . . .


My Digital Multi-Meter (a Data Precision 245),

which was switched-On, but NOT connected to anything,

was less than a foot away from the battery & motor.


The DMM "blew" from me running the battery & motor !

:oops: ___ :poof: ___ :wtf: ___ :huh2:


Don't know How or Why or What i did wrong. :stupid:


But it cost me 'bout a hundred bucks (and several weeks) to get my DMM repaired. :broke:



This event served to make me quite unhappy. :(

_
 
I also work at a electronics company and every thing is kept in antistatic containers or bags
the majority of components will not be damaged by a person. mainly logic devices and integrated circuits that can be damaged

I would not expect a resistor, capacitor, diode(and LEDs), or transistor to be affected

if you were running a tesla coil near by then things might be a bit different (a tesla coil is in a way a tuned transformer with thousands of volts on the primary and there can be millions of volts on the secondary which is normaly connected to a sphere or doughnut)
coil.jpg
 
I've never had an issue with handling LEDs and getting static shocks from it...but I suppose if I soldered long wires on to it and leaving the LED-wire assembly in a room with high current/magnetic field activity [IE. the coolant pump room of my work place] chances are me grounded or not will see some discharge from the accumulation on the wires

I've seen somewhere where a demonstration of inductance utilized a Tesla coil and a braid of wire...it was amazing...and scary at the same time
 
slightly off subject but theres been documentation of Tesla coils lighting up florescent tubes miles away from the coil
thats what Tesla was trying to achieve wireless transportation of electricity the only problem was that it ionized every thing so people where getting shocks off of anything metal like a big ion gun really
 
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