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HELL BOOBS CRAP!!!
CRAP DAMN CRAP!!!


I just checked the datafile on that 10+ day test run, and guess what?
This is the entire file:

01-11-02
12:49:11 DC 0.281 mA

Apparently, as soon as the Windows 98 screensaver came on, it s**tcanned the meter application right where it stood!!!
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All that testing for not.
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Sorry to hear of your test results going astray. I believe Gandalf may have the "cure' for that screen saver, although it will cause significant damage to the PC and WILL wake the neighbors. I believe he can offer you a choice of calibers....
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JackStraw:
Sorry to hear of your test results going astray. I believe Gandalf may have the "cure' for that screen saver, although it will cause significant damage to the PC and WILL wake the neighbors. I believe he can offer you a choice of calibers....
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As long as I can fasten a 2 litre pop bottle over the barrel and load it with fragmentation slugs, it's fine with me.
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We know the sample ran for almost 11 days, we just don't know what the discharge curve looks like during the first 24 hours and the last six hours.

What I'll do is run the *other* sample through, and then run the first one through again - sans screensaver of course.
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Unless Peter needs them back right away, this is the game plan now.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by telephony:
HELL BOOBS CRAP!!!
CRAP DAMN CRAP!!!

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Well, we know two things for sure:

a) the cat did it
b) The thing runs for at least 10 frigging days!
 
There may be a trend here Peter should be aware of. Telephony, can you test for a correlation btwn. cats and LS problems? Perhaps the combination of a lie detector and your light meter will do the trick.
 
Sorry to hear about this misfortune...as long as the test is a bust can you please take a moment and tell us about the lights.

How do they compare to other lights.

Photon 3 on low? On medium?

Infinity (a good one)?

The standard Arc?

Any thing else you can think of to aid us in deciding if we want this thing.

Thanks
 
John at Ledcorp has told me there are more variations in the Ls`s than you can shake a stick at...Lumiled is not sorting them into any sort of ranking yet. So don`t expect any two, even if order from the same location, to be the same. My understanding is the white high domes will be out in about two months, but we all know how good these predictions are. Lunileds is also playing with a new design called "side emitters". From what little I know about them they fire 360 degrees out to the side...therefore they need a reflector to work...of coures they are supposed to be super bright...we`ll see. I am also told they have a few other tricks their working on with the standard designs...again supposed to improve the brightness...but thats all I can get out of them. Maybe someone else can pump them for Info better than me. But either way we should see some neat stuff in the next year.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ken B:
Lunileds is also playing with a new design called "side emitters". From what little I know about them they fire 360 degrees out to the side...therefore they need a reflector to work...of coures they are supposed to be super bright...we`ll see.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've actually seen a photograph of one of these. They look like something you'd see floating around in deep space on a Star Trek episode... really bizarre looking things.

Unfortunately, I am not yet allowed to show the picture to anybody else. As soon as that restriction is no more, I'll post it here.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ken B:
Sorry to hear about this misfortune...as long as the test is a bust can you please take a moment and tell us about the lights.
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The timing is both perfect and sucks like a bad vacume cleaner at the same time.

I'm now devoting nearly 100% of my time & efforts* to a short-term beta test on another new LED product that might come out in a couple of months. The big box of parts and a set of NDA papers came this afternoon, and I just finished assembling the parts and firing it up for the first time.
I can't say anything more about it yet, but since it is now functioning under its own power, I can take the time to do these flashlight comparisons for you.

I'll have to *LOOK* for my only white Infinity, but I'm pretty sure where all the other lights are.


<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ken B:
How do they compare to other lights.

Photon 3 on low? On medium?
Infinity (a good one)?
The standard Arc?

Any thing else you can think of to aid us in deciding if we want this thing.
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Photon 3... found.
actually, I found all three. Let's find the newest version and use that.
There.. that's a new version, in disuse for months but still works like brand new (they did fix a battery-draining circuit that kept cropping up in the old).
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The "11-Day" Arc is functionally equivalent in brightness to the new-version P3 on the lowest setting, but the Arc's LED has a slightly yellowish or yellowish-green overall tint, while the P3's was more bluish.

A standard white Arc AAA is many times brighter than the 11-Day Arc.
The difference is initially estimated at 700% to 900%. The 11-Day's output is like a bright moon mode in a regular Arc.

A new-style white Infinity with alkaline battery is only *slightly* brighter than the 11-Day Arc, and that may be due to the higher color temperature. The Infinity has a bluish LED not unlike the P3, while the 11-Day has a more warm-colored LED in it.
The difference between the two is estimated at 20%, and is more noticeable at long distances than it is close up.
I don't know how my Infinity compares to others, as this is the only white model I have.

*Don't worry about the Arc beta tests not getting done. As these are largely unattended tests, the other product won't be in the way and both can be done at once.
 
Ok... the other Arc XR beta.

About half the brightness of a standard white Arc-AAA, with again, a greenish tinted white LED.

At least a third brighter than a white Infinity.

Slightly dimmer than the P3 on High, noticeably brighter than the P3 on Medium.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by telephony:
Ok... the other Arc XR beta.

About half the brightness of a standard white Arc-AAA, with again, a greenish tinted white LED.

At least a third brighter than a white Infinity.

Slightly dimmer than the P3 on High, noticeably brighter than the P3 on Medium.
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Interesting that both of those 5mA and 15mA XR-beta units had the "S" Nichia installed........
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JackStraw:
There may be a trend here Peter should be aware of. Telephony, can you test for a correlation btwn. cats and LS problems? Perhaps the combination of a lie detector and your light meter will do the trick.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


This is one thing I am not equipped to test, as I don't have a cat and I don't know anybody local to me who does. I have a big pet rat and a pair of bottom sucker fish, and that's it.

I'm going to work on the computer (add hardware that might make it possible to run ProMetric and the meter together), test the combination, and re-run the Arc series sometime later tonight if successful.
 
Different types of XRs???

Sorry - I must have missed it in the post which introduced the XR (Some of these ARC posts get very long ...), but are there 2 types of XRs or are the differences just down to production tolerances?

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And I know this is sounding distinctly like a broken record, but imagine if we could have a switch to go from normal output to (let's call it) XR output. Think of the benefits to your battery life and (much more importantly) your relationship with the person who tries to sleep next to you while you read.
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arab,

yup - this would be the ultimate ARC-AAA - selectable between "standard" and "extended" maybe a tiny switch somewhere inside - but it is really so small - where to fit ? - I guess Peter would need to put two resistors or so inside and make it switchable - hmmh - he might not use any resistors anyway - question is if the small PCB would be able to accomodate such a feature - maybe we can put this in our wish-list for version 3.x ? Or some discussion if some little additional length (which might be needed) would be tolerable for this added feature - but Peter might not want to change the housing due to cost considerations - and after all - all us freaks will buy more ARC-AAAs anyway.

But in my eyes such a ARC AAA combo (std & xr combined) would make the uber-perfect keyring flashlight and more ----

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by telephony:
Ok... the other Arc XR beta.

About half the brightness of a standard white Arc-AAA, with again, a greenish tinted white LED.

At least a third brighter than a white Infinity.

Slightly dimmer than the P3 on High, noticeably brighter than the P3 on Medium.
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I think I found my new camping light if this ever goes into production.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by telephony:
HELL BOOBS CRAP!!!
CRAP DAMN CRAP!!!

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Next time don't forget poop and fart!!!
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by busbar:
Next time don't forget poop and fart!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I should have peppered my last message with those expletives... turns out the Olympic Torch passed right in front of my door earlier this evening and I MISSED IT!!!
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Hell Damn Crap Boobs Fart Poop!!

Anyway... I still have not reconfigured the "new" computer, and thus have not yet re-started the Arc XR tests. I'll get to it before the end of this week though.
Maybe tomorrow, if I'm ambitious and feel like disembowelling the computer and re-doing the hardware.
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I'm all for the XR version in both white and green.

Currently, I use a white Infinity for reading maps while using NVG's - the white is great for color reproduction - and I use the green light for other in-cockpit tasks.

The Arc AAA in white (the only one I have) is just too bright for use under NVG's and they cause the goggles to "shut-down" - not to mention that it causes me to lose my dark adaptation.
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Right now, the Infinity's are just too heavy and cumbersome, so an Arc AAA XR would be absolutely perfect!

Add my name to the "I've just GOTTA have one of those!" list.
 
I received a LS return this week that was not posted here on the CPF. In fact it is the first LS return we have received.

Both lights in the return worked to spec. I was a bit curious so I called the customer to find out why they were returned.

The reason for the return was the beam quality of the LS LED. Specifically the centering of the beam, the yellow corona and the blobby center.

I explained that these where all normal for the LS LED and within spec. I told him that I would post another note on the CPF further warning people about this LED so they are not surprised when they receive their LS.

Other LED flashlights of this brightness level utilize a cluster of Nichia 5mm LEDs. Although the Nichia cluster will be bulkier, not throw as far and be less efficient, they will produce a smoother, more uniform beam.

This is caused by several factors:
1. Nichia LED technology is older (or "more established") and therefore they can provide precise half -step bin ranking. This provides a more uniform tint and brightness among multiple samples.
2. The Nichia Die operates at a lower surface energy. I venture to say that they are also more uniform (less "hotspots"). This provides less tint/brightness/beam uniformity variations.
3. The Nichia integral lens is less focused. This tends to blur any hotspots or beam imperfections and makes centering less of an issue. In the LS, the higher magnification used in the lens also magnifys the features of the die/bond/phosphor. If you stare at a LS beam w/optics you can see quite a few details in the beam. I think this more focused lens in conjunction with a different phosphor geometry also creates the "corona" effect.
4. Used in an array, the multiple light sources blur together and hide imperfections compared to a single point source LED.

Of course at this point, some may ask, "why even use the LS LED?". Because it is more compact, efficient and focused.

Lumileds is refining their technology. However, I sometimes get the impression that beam quality takes a slower track than their die output research. They really do have the best dies going as far as sheer luminosity.

Will the LS LED reach Nichia smoothness while maintaining their efficiency edge? Probably not this year.

So the question I pose to you today is: Is it worth using a LED with a inferior beam quality just because it produces more lumens for a given size and power source?

Incidentally, the two units that where returned where very quickly "reassigned". We didn't have any production LS at all since we shipped every single one of them to you. One is going to Gibson and the other one is now my EDC.
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Peter Gransee
 
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