Arc LS vs. Innova X5?

geepondy

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What do you people who happen to possess both lights think? Do you prefer one of them to the other? This is specifically directed at Kogatana as it was mainly his comments that steered me towards the purchase of the X5. For myself, the X5 would immediately be my favorite LED light if not for the LS but the LS beats it out. The LS in a two AA pack is nearly identical in size to the Innova yet has a warmer brighter hotspot, although not as smooth as that of the X5. Plus this is on regular AA batteries. Not sure which one would have a longer runtime. I would imagine the X5 although at a cost of dimming considerably more then the LS. Interested in other people's opinion.
 
This comparison was inevitable. Both 1) are quality products, 2) exemplify functional simplicity, 3) allow ease of everyday carry, 4) provide a very usable product output to about 10-12 feet, and 5) have commonality of power supply with the incandescent lights I also carry.

The fit and finish of both products is first rate. The machining is purposeful and devoid of non-necessary tool marks. The "fluting" on the X5 and knurling on the LS provide a secure hold. The threading on each unit is even and smooth. The finish on both are business-like and "no-nonsense." The feel of both is solid as a monolith; no shakes or rattles. One very important consideration is that this light, in this carry location (pocket) should never activate merely from the physical activity I can engage in during the course of a typical day. There is nothing more dangerous that needing a light, finding it useless because it had been on for several hours, and the batteries are now dead because the light was activated accidentally. The design of each light is such that the operator has to purposefully turn the lamp assembly to activate it. No accidents here.

Each light "field strips" in to 2 sections; no little washers, rings, caps, shrouds, etc, to keep track of. The simpler the better. If I had to change batteries, it would be a simple, quick affair requiring very little thought. The best designed tools are that way. We pay engineers top-dollar to make them "no-brainers." They succeeded with both products.

Both products are just under 6 inches in length and less than 1 inch in diameter – perfect for trouser or suit/sportcoat carry. Edges are smooth and the surface allows a secure grip yet does not abrade the lining of my suit or the insides of my pockets. I tend to carry other things in my pockets so desire a light that does not abrade those items as well.

When I have my 9N "on-hand" and need to conduct "close-up" work, I use the lower 20-lumen lamp. The 9N is quite handy and small enough to carry around in my hand. Although I have a belt sheath for it, I frequently do not use it simply because I have other things on my belt. That is where a pocket-carried, LED light with an output good to about 12 feet is so useful. There many circumstances where the 9N might be viewed as aggressive – another reason why it stays in the briefcase. The X5 and LS can be carried, presented when needed, and returned to storage (pocket) and remain incognito and ready until needed again. The X5 and LS fills the need when the tactical light is just too much and the keychain, incidental light (ARC AAA HA LE) is not enough. I generally use them for searching in and underneath autos, and navigating through darkened corridors, hotel rooms, storage rooms, in "cleared," no-longer-tactical scenarios until I can find the room wall or table lamp light switch.

I use lithium batteries for the lights I EDC (on body as opposed to EDC briefcase, gearbag, or automobile) so commonality is very important. The X5 requires CR123 cells – common to the ASP Triad. When I replace the 123s out of the Triad, they can go in the X5, but usually do not because I want max product output in that light, too. The LS requires AA cells. This is an oddity in my EDC lights but one that I am willing to live with because all the LS' others traits are so good. I already have a long–term supply of them and carry an Otterbox filled with a set of Lithium AAs and at least 2 sets of CR123s. The X5 is in my pocket always but the LS manages to find it way there more frequently.

Whether primary EDC or backup, each unit fills the need quite nicely. Remember, backup is redundancy, not duality.
 
Thanks for your thoughts kogatana. How do you feel about the Arc LS single 123 compared to the X5? I also have the X5 (this one I am blaming on you) and it is growing on me.
 
I have a X5 on the way. Seems like it will be a great light. It will keep me occupied until the LS's ship, since I am lacking a "bright" LED flashlight. I also am very interested in others thoughts on how the LS & X5 compare to each other.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Brock:
Thanks for your thoughts kogatana. How do you feel about the Arc LS single 123 compared to the X5? I also have the X5 (this one I am blaming on you) and it is growing on me.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't prefer it as it is likely to be more difficult to hold on to while in gloved hands and will not be as handy as an adhoc, "makeshift" impact device. A dual CR123 battery compartment would be better for my needs. Peter has cusually discussed such an arrangement with the rear area as a storage compartment. I might go for that.

The X5 was an instant hit for me to replace the Pelican Supermitylight.
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I also have an X5 on the way, and will be comparing it with my prototype Arc-LS.
That'll have to do, until a production LS comes into my custody sometime in late February or early March.

I'll take pictures and such... so don't change that channel.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kogatana:

Whether primary EDC or backup, each unit fills the need quite nicely. Remember, backup is redundancy, not duality.
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Very eloquently written. So if you could only have one of them, which one would it be and why? I'm guessing you would say the X5 as you prefer the CR123 battery package. So I should say, which one has the more preferable light beam?
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by geepondy:
So if you could only have one of them, which one would it be and why? So I should say, which one has the more preferable light beam?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It would necessarily (I should say empirically) be the Inova X5 only because it has been a proven performer. I have not used the LS long enough to compare it to the X5. If one were to look at my history of purchases for lights, it will look very conservative; buying those that have been proven to be reliable or I have done considerable research on - at least those that I use in critical applications.

Examples: I bought the Magcharger after years of using the Mag 3D, the Surefire 9N after years of using the Surefire 6P; the ASP Triad after years of using the Surefire 6P; the Surefire M2 after years of using the Surefire 6P; the ARC LS after extensively using the Inova X5.

The 2 notable exceptions to my purchasing pattern is the Inova X5 and the first-generation Surefire 6P. The 6P's output/size efficiency was so impressive that I did not hesitate to buy it. I bought the Inova X5 because my Pelican Supermytilite was about to fall apart.

I will be using the LS more in the near future. After a few months, I will be able to decide which will be my first choice. I can see now that it will be a difficult decision. I will likely make both of them my first choice. Remember my backup philosophy.

As far as the beam of "choice," that will be difficult as well - like comparing "oranges to oranges" (I don't like apples)
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How does the Arc LS on only one alkiline AA batt stack up brightness wise against the 5x with two 123 batts?

How does the high brightness run time compare?
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ken B:
How does the Arc LS on only one alkiline AA batt stack up brightness wise against the 5x with two 123 batts?

How does the high brightness run time compare?
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The 5X is clearly brighter in this configuration although the Arc LS still provides a very useful level of light. I don't believe anybody has done a official runtime/brightness test with an Inova 5X yet.
 
Thanks Geespondy, I`m surprised...I thought the Arc would be the winner...are they about the same with one lithum AA in the Arc?
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by geepondy:
The 5X is clearly brighter in this configuration although the Arc LS still provides a very useful level of light. I don't believe anybody has done a official runtime/brightness test with an Inova 5X yet.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


You mean like this ?

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I stopped this test because the batteries were over a month old. Right at the moment, doing a run test using 2 Lithium AA in the ARC-LS.


As KT has noted, both the ARC-LS and the Innova 5x are excellent products, and it extremely difficult to choose over the other.
 
Remember Ken B the Arc LS is really meant to be run on 3v, a single 123 or 2 AA's the single AA option is noteably dimmer, I would guess about 1/3 as bright, maybe less. I haven't tried running the X5 on a single cell, but I do have a blank surefire 123 cell at home
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guys, don't forget the fact that the Inova X5 is thoroughly killing its LED's at 50mA each, while the LS is just right (actually slightly underdriven)!!!
 
how many hours will the led's stay at near full brightness in the innova? another thing, everyone is forgetting the innova is less than half the cost of the arc-ls.
 
Hummm, cool the X5 does light with just one 123 cell and a blank cell. That means it must not be using a resistor or the voltage would be too low to light with the 3.4v 123 cell. The light output is just a bit dimmer then the Arc or Photon, but noticeably brighter then an Infinity. It is pulling 8mA or about 1.6mA for each LED. So a single 123 cell has 1300mA in it, at 8mA it should run about 160 hours, of course as the voltage drops (but before the battery is dies) the LEDs would be likely to go out. This mean the light is using about 27 miliwatt and the Infinity is using 77 miliwatt to get a dimmer light output. I guess when an LED is pulling 2mA it is pretty darn efficient
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I'm surprise the discharge rate of the X5 is so linear. I would have thought the characteristics of the lithium battery would have provided a more flatter discharge.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>how many hours will the led's stay at near full brightness in the innova? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

At the rate they're driven, expect a half life (50% of initial brightness) in 2000 to 4000 hours.
 
Not that I'm in the market for an LS, but I was quite surprised that people were going to do a light level comparison using one of the minimum battery configurations. I thought that anyone needing one of the lesser configurations were limited by space and size and were willing to do with less light. If I were concerned with the amount of light, I would give the LS a fair shake and do it with the 2AAs.

I have an X5 and love it, but I know it's no LS. But, I do love the price (less than half of an LS), and it does more than I expect for a light of this size. The LS is a better light as it is regulated (big plus) and uses regular AA batteries (another big plus).

The X5 is really bright and runs a long time between battery changes. So far, I haven't noticed the light drop off much with the hours of run time. On top of this, the X5 turns more heads as it is very different looking. You got to admit that this is one of the big niches that got you hooked to the X5.
 
I just completed my second Inova X5 run time test. My purpose this time was not to see how long it ran til 0, but rather how long it remained "functional." I arbitrarily defined functional as ARC AAA Le brightness or better.

I performed this test within a context of social activities and without instruments,
so it is necessarily "unscientific". Previous testing had shown that the Inova remained fairly close to its original brightness for three hours or more, so I didn't make my first observation until the 4th hour when it was still only moderately dimmer than a second Inova with fresh batteries.

5 hrs + 10 min: Significantly brighter than an Attitude with fresh batteries

5 hrs + 40 min: Noticeably brighter than Attitude " " " " "

6 hrs: Somewhat brighter than Attitude, although its "hotspot" seemed more circumscribed than before

6 hrs + 30 min: Dimmer than Attitude but still noticeably brighter than ARC AAA Le

7 hrs: Approximately equal to ARC AAA Le, perhaps slightly dimmer.

Once again I was reminded of the significant run time extension provided by careful battery selection. I only use the latest date Surefire, and sometimes Duracell Ultra 123's. Since all my EDC lights are "What if" lights as well as functional lights (especially since 9/11, with the example of Mayor Giuliani's flashlight-guided escape clearly in mind) I test every battery (I only use 123's) and load those with a minimum voltage of 3.20 v, and I try for 3.28 or better. The others are relegated to less critical use. I no longer use Sanyos.

Best regards,
Brightnorm
 
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