Just got the KD drop-in. Getting a ring around the die image! I'm guessing it's from the reflector ring on the Q5. Has anyone noticed this? Any solutions (I actually thought about dulling it with a sharpie!), or do I need an SSC P4 to get a clean beam?
Aspheric Mag Shootout (Beamshots Up) - Mac vs. KD vs. Ledean vs. Mag66 & 625
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LukeA
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I did a Rebel aspheric Mag some time ago and I noticed that it had an extremely similar pattern to this one, but in a fashion that couldn't easily be caused by die delamination. I never took any pictures, and, sadly have since ruined that emitter, but imagine it being similar to the one pictured but with two squares of blue in the yellowest region on the die.
I have another Rebel light and I just held it up through an aspheric lens and it has the same pattern; one that would be extremely difficult to cause by die delamination.
Keep in mind that the phosphor on these LEDs is unbelievably thin and that it only takes a tiny variation in that extremely thin layer to make the subtle but noticeable difference we're talking about here.
LukeA
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Well, it's not the reflective ring around the emitter, it's the metal part that holds up the dome. There's no way to get rid of that, and blacking out the other ring won't do anything.
An SSC won't be nearly so effective as a Cree in directing light out the front.
If you built an aspheric mag to get a smooth beam, you built the wrong light.
It's the ring holding the dome that I was referring to. When looking down through the lens, you can see it very distinctly, so I figured it was the cause. Oh well... still a very fun light!, throws like crazy! Anyone thought about an XPE or XPC emitter? Might be fun!
I started my review of the Saabluster DEFT in its own thread, because it is uniquely different from those previously discussed here. The linked DEFT thread does have some other comparison shots of above Aspherics & new DX lens against other lights.
Suffice it to say that Saabluster's claim that his larger lens DEFT "Blows Away" all the above Mac/Ledean/KD/DX Mag Aspherics is accurate. Honestly, I didn't expect the DEFT to really be as great as the hype, but it easily lights up the trees about 850 feet in the distance.
Suffice it to say that Saabluster's claim that his larger lens DEFT "Blows Away" all the above Mac/Ledean/KD/DX Mag Aspherics is accurate. Honestly, I didn't expect the DEFT to really be as great as the hype, but it easily lights up the trees about 850 feet in the distance.
eyeeatingfish
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Re: Aspheric Mag Shootout - Mac vs. KD vs. Ledean
What would happen if you put one of these lenses on an incandesant maglight or lets say a mag 85?
What would happen if you put one of these lenses on an incandesant maglight or lets say a mag 85?
Re: Aspheric Mag Shootout - Mac vs. KD vs. Ledean
Been there, done that. These higher magnifying type aspheric lenses have a VERY shallow surface/spot that would be focussed behind the lens...like the flat 2 dimensional surface of LED. The 3 dimensional incan filaments don't work.
There are a few thinner, less magnifying type lenses with longer focal length that some of us have used with some narrowing/hotspot of beam...but it's not a real impressive effect with incans. Some have tried a wide variety of lenses to try and find one that works...in a nutshell, really not worth the effort.
Been there, done that. These higher magnifying type aspheric lenses have a VERY shallow surface/spot that would be focussed behind the lens...like the flat 2 dimensional surface of LED. The 3 dimensional incan filaments don't work.
There are a few thinner, less magnifying type lenses with longer focal length that some of us have used with some narrowing/hotspot of beam...but it's not a real impressive effect with incans. Some have tried a wide variety of lenses to try and find one that works...in a nutshell, really not worth the effort.
eyeeatingfish
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Re: Aspheric Mag Shootout - Mac vs. KD vs. Ledean
Really? Im guessing then that they have tried it both with and without a reflector and with the reflector pointing outwards and inwards?
My car headlights have some type of focusing lens system thats used on some new cars, so it must be possible somehow.
Really? Im guessing then that they have tried it both with and without a reflector and with the reflector pointing outwards and inwards?
My car headlights have some type of focusing lens system thats used on some new cars, so it must be possible somehow.
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kaimaikid
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Re: Aspheric Mag Shootout - Mac vs. KD vs. Ledean
I went to order this lens and the thieving buggers want $122US (shipping only) to send it to New Zealand, talk about extortion 😡:mecry:
I went to order this lens and the thieving buggers want $122US (shipping only) to send it to New Zealand, talk about extortion 😡:mecry:
Re: Aspheric Mag Shootout - Mac vs. KD vs. Ledean
Do what I am doing .... use Unforgiven's forwarding service
Do what I am doing .... use Unforgiven's forwarding service
Robertesq1
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So I have a simple question...
I have the Malkoff U2 bin Seoul Semiconductor P4 LED Drop-in module for a 3 D cell mag light. Can I purchase the Melles Griot Aspheric Lens and just replace the factory lens and up its throw??
I have the Malkoff U2 bin Seoul Semiconductor P4 LED Drop-in module for a 3 D cell mag light. Can I purchase the Melles Griot Aspheric Lens and just replace the factory lens and up its throw??
Update: If you didn't get one of Nanomiser's custom made longer bezels there is another short window open in his thread here.
These high quality bezels mount on Mag D or C and are now long enough that you can stand up the aspheric mag, and not have lens exposed which wipes out your night adapted vision. No more need to grind down edge like I did.
I also updated the link in first post for $28 01-LAG-123 lens to what is now Melles Griot CVI as they merged/bought CVI Lasers.
These high quality bezels mount on Mag D or C and are now long enough that you can stand up the aspheric mag, and not have lens exposed which wipes out your night adapted vision. No more need to grind down edge like I did.
I also updated the link in first post for $28 01-LAG-123 lens to what is now Melles Griot CVI as they merged/bought CVI Lasers.
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IMHO, Aspherics are gimmicks with no real practical use other than for impressing ignorant people:nana:. You are simply collimating the Led's output into a single narrow beam and what good is that out in the 'real world'? You might as well just play with lasers..
Try walking down a dark trail at night with an aspheric flashlight! The beam is so narrow with so little spill, that if you point it at the ground you are likely to have an eye taken out by an overhanging branch that you didn't see, or if you point it further out in front, you are likely to trip over a log and break your ankle!! I played with the big fat, glass lenses too, but the novelty soon wore off... Give me a nice deep, smoooooth reflector any day!
Try walking down a dark trail at night with an aspheric flashlight! The beam is so narrow with so little spill, that if you point it at the ground you are likely to have an eye taken out by an overhanging branch that you didn't see, or if you point it further out in front, you are likely to trip over a log and break your ankle!! I played with the big fat, glass lenses too, but the novelty soon wore off... Give me a nice deep, smoooooth reflector any day!
Speaking of "impressing ignorant people," your narrow viewpoint fits right into that category, so congratulations on your underwhelming insights. :shakehead
Not that you are worth the bother, but one obvious practical use is dog walking in suburban paved areas with oncoming auto traffic, and significant populations of "punks," skunks, racoons, deer, and coyoyte. Having a far throwing but confined beam avoids endangering oncoming driver's adapted vision, or invading home owner's privacy, while precisely illuminating threatening/obnoxious wild animals at a preventable distances.
Believe it or not, most of us are actually capable of choosing various types of lights for other applications, such as hiking through wooded areas.
makapuu
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Have you ever seen a aspheric unfocused for flood.
Nanomiser
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Sparktastic, you seem to ignore some very obvious uses for a light that throws a focused narrow beam while resting on the presupposition than all lights are used for the same purpose. You also ignore the fact that if a person only wanted to use his aspheric as a play toy with no practical application, that's allowed here at CPF too. What makes walking down a dark trail any more important than sitting on the back porch lighting up wildlife with a far throwing aspheric? Just the other night I was at the park walking around with a wide angle headlamp on my head and an aspheric in my hand. The combination provided a wider field of view and more throw than any single LED light of similar output.
You may personally have trouble thinking outside of the box but don't suggest that all of the impressed members posting in this thread are "ignorant" when in fact you're the prime example of it. A word of advice, spend more than a week at CPF reading and learning before attacking members for what you think they don't know.
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The flood from an unfocused aspheric is amazing no hot spot just a very wide circle of even light. Very useful, I don't think sparktastic has ever had an aspheric mag in his hand.
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bshanahan14rulz
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awesome pictures in this thread!
A few things,
First, in the OP, the beamshots showing the shape of the emitters. They are all XR-E. How come the first one has three dim bars in the middle of the three light bars while the second two doesn't?
Next, Luxluthor's image of the rebel die projected that people thought could be delaminating. I believe that is simply an artifact of the lens not being perfectly parallel and/or centered to the emitter, causing one edge to shift blue while the other shifts orange. I see this often on projector headlamps, the top cutoff will be sharp but blue while the foreground cutoff will be sharp and orange.
Which brings me to my third comment involving automotive projectors. They feature a parabolic or paraboloid reflector with an aspheric lens in front. This lens seems to be focused on the cutoff shield. Perhaps if you can figure out the right kind of reflector to pair the lens with, you can get it to work better with the asperic lens to create an amazing flood flashlight.
A few things,
First, in the OP, the beamshots showing the shape of the emitters. They are all XR-E. How come the first one has three dim bars in the middle of the three light bars while the second two doesn't?
Next, Luxluthor's image of the rebel die projected that people thought could be delaminating. I believe that is simply an artifact of the lens not being perfectly parallel and/or centered to the emitter, causing one edge to shift blue while the other shifts orange. I see this often on projector headlamps, the top cutoff will be sharp but blue while the foreground cutoff will be sharp and orange.
Which brings me to my third comment involving automotive projectors. They feature a parabolic or paraboloid reflector with an aspheric lens in front. This lens seems to be focused on the cutoff shield. Perhaps if you can figure out the right kind of reflector to pair the lens with, you can get it to work better with the asperic lens to create an amazing flood flashlight.
