Avatar : A Movie Revolution?

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They just took a person ... and made them blue to counter the lack of creativity.
No, it was so they didn't look like Ewoks. AND they're really tall, AND they're smooth skinned. How much less like an Ewok could they look? :naughty:

Avatar should be regarded as a Fantasy movie, not as a Science Fiction one.
Absolute rubbish. It was great science fiction.

Somebody in the audience yelled 'where are the Ewoks?' during the final battle, and I tend to agree.
See? They, and you, didn't recognise them.
 

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Unfortunately, his map is not accurate. Note the one in Manchester, CT is marked as REAL, and having been to a real IMAX in NYC, I guarantee it is not real.


Yes you're right, it does say "***AAAND that's a wrap. I don't have the time to update this anymore. Check out LFExaminer.com for more up-to-date info.***" first thing at the top. Too bad, you would have been able to report it and get it updated!
 

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Well, I saw it in 2D tonight. I thoroughly enjoyed it even though I started to see the resemblance to something else. I couldn't come up with it other than "Halo" meets "Fern Gully"(or something of that sort), until reading this, I was more able to put my thumb on it as close to "Dances with Wolves", which I liked as a kid.

The audience part of me that it was directed at really liked it, while the movie critic in me started to pick things apart. Overall, I must say I really did enjoy it and I hope to see it in 3D before its pulled out of theaters.

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I was watching the news last night. The reporter was doing a (telephone) interview with the public relations official of Eureka, California. The reporter asked where the public relations official was when the quake hit.
"I was at home with the family getting ready to go see Avatar in Imax 3D. I had to cancel."
Poor guy had to go back to work instead.
 

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On Friday evening I went to the relatively new Regal Hacienda IMAX in Dublin California hoping to see Avatar. I could not find a way to check ticket availability without going there. It took an hour to make a 30 minute drive because of Friday rush hour traffic. The parking lot for the entire mall was packed solid. At the ticket window I was informed that the 3D screen was sold out until Sunday evening!

I guess the word is out! Not only are people like me going back for a second ride, seeking out the best 3D IMAX screen available, I guess the buzz is attracting first-timers as well.

So I bought tickets for Sunday evening, and went to Fuddruckers next door for a buffalo burger. So the trip wasn't a complete loss.

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Come on Seb. Science fiction has had fantastic (incredible) worlds for decades, and almost centuries. Just because something is outside scientific reality or the realm of your scientific understanding (kilograms being mass with inertia and all :ohgeez: ) doesn't mean that it's automatically fantasy. Defining it that way would make all science fiction fantasy by default. (I mean the fantasy genre, not the present extant reality of it.)

Avatar can fit purely into science fiction without any recourse to fantasy.
 

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On Friday evening I went to the relatively new Regal Hacienda IMAX in Dublin California hoping to see Avatar. I could not find a way to check ticket availability without going there. It took an hour to make a 30 minute drive because of Friday rush hour traffic. The parking lot for the entire mall was packed solid. At the ticket window I was informed that the 3D screen was sold out until Sunday evening!

I guess the word is out! Not only are people like me going back for a second ride, seeking out the best 3D IMAX screen available, I guess the buzz is attracting first-timers as well.

So I bought tickets for Sunday evening, and went to Fuddruckers next door for a buffalo burger. So the trip wasn't a complete loss.

--Max_Power

Max, sorry you went through that. There are reliable ticketing websites for almost all theaters now. I can reserve a specific seat at IMAX, but your best bet at 3D theater is to get a weekday matinee ticket online, and then get there at least 30 mins early for Avatar.
 

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Come on Seb. Science fiction has had fantastic (incredible) worlds for decades, and almost centuries. Just because something is outside scientific reality or the realm of your scientific understanding (kilograms being mass with inertia and all :ohgeez: ) doesn't mean that it's automatically fantasy. Defining it that way would make all science fiction fantasy by default. (I mean the fantasy genre, not the present extant reality of it.)

Avatar can fit purely into science fiction without any recourse to fantasy.
Riding dragons, transferring minds from one body into another by praying, the elvish like forest with the magic tree, the spirits of the animal world and so on are hardly Science Fiction elements. Just because you see some space ships into a movie it does not necessarily mean that it is a Science Fiction one.
 

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Just because you see some flying animals that superficially resemble your own personal conceptions of dragons in a movie it does not necessarily mean that it is a Fantasy one. Cuts both ways, eh. Similarity does not mean same, and why does it matter what they look like? You didn't expect Pandora to be identically populated to Earth did you? That might be fantasy.

Anyway, all of those elements you mention had "scientific" explanations, or at least hints that there were. How do you expect to accurately claim it's not science fiction when you don't know what science fiction is?
 

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LuxLuthor -

I've spent a few hours trying to figure it out but the 3 different lists I've looked at show ****enson Chenal 9 IMAX as "D" but it's huge and slightly larger than 50 by 70. I thinks that's real 1570 IMAX. No strange pixelations or video anomolies. Doesn't that sound right? 50 ft tall should be 1570 IMAX right?

Apologies ifor the OT.
 

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LuxLuthor -

I've spent a few hours trying to figure it out but the 3 different lists I've looked at show ****enson Chenal 9 IMAX as "D" but it's huge and slightly larger than 50 by 70. I thinks that's real 1570 IMAX. No strange pixelations or video anomolies. Doesn't that sound right? 50 ft tall should be 1570 IMAX right?

Apologies ifor the OT.
What city is this one in?

The 15/70 refers to 70mm film with 15 perforation holes as shown on this link. That is the first aspect of the original IMAX specification. The "D" may hopefully be a designation for a Domed screen, vs. typical movie flat screen.

As far as size, 50x70' is likely adequate for a satisfying IMAX experience, but as you can see from my previous post #180, screen sizes seem to be all over the place, with the New York City (Lowes) @ Lincoln Square being the largest I have seen listed. A part of the ideal standard includes a kick-*** sound system. This article describes the main features, but IMAX is obviously not able to enforce a specific set of construction variables to have a single qualification.
 

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I've read the two images for 3D are placed next to each other on the 70 mm film. Does that mean they're being projected at the same time? And with full resolution or half?
 

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Max, sorry you went through that. There are reliable ticketing websites for almost all theaters now. I can reserve a specific seat at IMAX, but your best bet at 3D theater is to get a weekday matinee ticket online, and then get there at least 30 mins early for Avatar.

Aha, it was actually possible to buy online, but since the movie was sold out for the next day and a half, it prevented me from doing so. Checking online for Monday shows lots of tickets available. Strangely, the website marks sold out times with black or gray text, and available time slots with red text. Poor UI fooled me when I was in a hurry to hop in the car.

Went there Sunday at 7pm and had another buffalo burger afterwards. Both seem to be habit-forming :). The difference between IMAX 3D at the 50 foot tall IMAX screen at the Regal Hacienda, and Real3D at the AMC theaters in Cupertino Square was tough to call - I'd say that it was slightly more comfortable to my eyes to watch at the Real3D screen, but more detail was visible at the IMAX 3d theater. Both were kickass experiences.

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We had some speculation on what the profits of this movie will be a while back.

A financial update.
Avatar's outta this world in profits - Sci-fi epic bolsters News Corp.'s bottom line by $1.3b
http://thespec.com/News/Business/article/702623
article said:
... News Corp.'s stock started climbing since positive reviews came out of sneak peak showings Dec. 10, and it's now up about 12 per cent since then. ...

... But Fox won't be getting all of the box office proceeds from Avatar, just as it doesn't from other movies. Fox shared some of the risks -- and thus the profits -- with investors, who bore an estimated 60 per cent of the approximately $250-million production budget for Avatar. And theatre owners get about half of the ticket sales, even before subtracting Fox's colossal marketing spending of around $150 million.
Fox receives fees for distributing the movie to theatres, and factoring in all that, the studio has probably brought in a profit of more than $80 million already, estimates Cowen & Co. analyst Doug Creutz. ...
... Movie economics are murky, and Fox and Clayton declined to comment on the specifics of their deals. Factors affecting the ultimate bottom line include profit-sharing deals with the creative talent, including Lightstorm Entertainment, the production company owned by Cameron. ...

... In fact, the movie's success may have done more for theatre companies than for News Corp. itself.
It served as a reminder that theatre chains such as Regal Entertainment Group and Cinemark Holdings Inc. remain relevant, despite the rise in home entertainment, as living rooms still cannot match the theatrical experience in 3-D viewing.
Since Avatar opened, both companies' shares have risen more than 5 per cent. ...
 

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Hi - I just read through this entire thread - thanks to all who posted for the info.

I tend to find that if a movie is over hyped - I don't care for it, and this movie definitely is over hyped. For that reason, I have no interest in seeing it - as a movie. Any movie that requires so much adv and promo to make it probably isn't that great of an actual "movie", at least historically. Movie reviewers are routinely bought off - so their opinions and reviews are not actually valuable.

As a junkie of technology, I might go just to see if 3D really has reached an interesting point of interactivity, but its not high on my to-do list.

Profits wise - my understanding is that "most theaters" get almost none of the ticket sales money - this all goes to the movie companies. Usually, the theaters make their money on concessions / popocorn / video games in the lobby. This was one of the great changes from the 1970s when it was more split, and the change resulted in the closure of many movie theaters.

Lastly, I have little interest in helping the entertainment industry continue its trampling of the rights of the individual to make legitimate, pre-DRM concept, personal use copies of songs + movies.

The entire concept that the FBI and Interpool are enforcing one type of intellectual property (movies) but not of other types (patents / auto designs) is just a blatent example of how Hollywood buys off congress. If the FBI and Interpool protected the intellectual property of the auto and semicondutor makers in North America and Europe, then the merchandise trade deficit and unemployment picture today would be far different.
 
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It's the 5th one from the top

I could just ask the manager to let me see the projector I suppose.

Ahhh....now I see which it is. Unfortunately, that "D" refers to the Digital projection, not the ideal 15/70 format. There is a description of the categories on this link, and that one does not get good comments. If it were me, I would see if there is just a quality 3D theater with "stadium" type seating.

Remember earlier in the thread, I was talking about how Porno drives all multi-media leading technologies.....well this story is linked today on www.drudgereport.com, and most who were skeptical of 3D TV have been pushed dramatically over the edge. There are articles now of Samsung making a TV that can somehow upcode 2D movies into 3D, and other studios wanting to go back to leading titles and re-edit them for 3D Blu-Ray--all because of the effect of Avatar. I would call that a Revolution.

LEDNinja, I predict this will gross more than Titanic, worldwide....but not if you adjust ticket prices for inflation. Even still, easily having the top two grossing films of all time is an accomplishment that 99.99999% of directors would die to achieve. I remember when I started this thread, and how many were sure this was going to be a big flop, or minor blip at best.
 

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LEDNinja, I predict this will gross more than Titanic, worldwide....but not if you adjust ticket prices for inflation.
From that link...
Throw in the domestic gross and Avatar's worldwide tally stood at $1.34 billion, marching ever closer to Titanic's $1.84 billion all time benchmark.
Hm, "only" half a billion between them. Are those figures for box office takings only or does it include DVD sales? Has anyone made a graph for the rate at which their earnings have climbed?
 

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