Best 2D (900+L) Mag Mod

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I'm been searching through many posts looking to find the best mod for a 2D Mag. I'd like something in the 900-1400L range with maybe 25-30 minutes of runtime.

Here's what I had in mind. I'm open to suggestions if there is something better.

2D Mag host (black) I would send this out for Quad Boring
Borofloat lens
FM Cammed MOP refelector
FM G4 bi-pin socket
FM 8AA to 2D Holder
Bi-pin WA1164 bulb
8 AA eneloops

Is there anything I'm missing for the above setup?

Thanks
Will
 
Hi,
You could use a Philips 5761 30W bulb running on 2 LiIon D-Cells like i did:
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=201459
Or for that matter, since the price of the host is only about ~10% of the cost of the total light for these hotwires, you could also buy a 2C mag, and 2 AW C-Cells, a Litho SMO or LOP reflector, and make a nice "pocket thrower" with 900+ lumens packed into a VERY small package.

In the near future I plan to build one of these in a cutdown 2C with tailswitch.
 
I have 2 2D hotwires, a Mag11, which is slightly lower than you want (800ish) but awesome, 30 min runtime, VERY white beam.

Or go 5761, over 1200 lumens for about 21 min...your pick.

I like the 11 for using, the 5761 for showing what a mag can do.
 
Or for that matter, since the price of the host is only about ~10% of the cost of the total light for these hotwires, you could also buy a 2C mag, and 2 AW C-Cells, a Litho SMO or LOP reflector, and make a nice "pocket thrower" with 900+ lumens packed into a VERY small package.

In the near future I plan to build one of these in a cutdown 2C with tailswitch.


So the parts required to make this would be:

2C Mag
2x AW Protected LiIon C-Cells
Kaidomain reflector, bored to fit 5761
Kiu Socket
Borofloat lens
Philips 5761

I saw in your shootout you had some arcing problems with your 2C Mag61. Is this a common problem? Also are LiIons safe to run in these high out setups? I like the idea of running LiIon over NiMH as long as it's reasonably safe to do so.
 
I was under the impression that the AW C cells tend to trip their high current limit on lamps like the MN21 and 5761.

I think I would suggest A123 cells for the 5761...

One thing that interests me is that there hasn't been much talk about the 64275. It's a 6V 35W 50hr bulb, the 5761 is a 6V 30W 100hr bulb. The 64275 would probably be a good candidate for direct drive on A123 cells with better output than a 5761.

Just guessing on that though.
 
So the parts required to make this would be:

2C Mag
2x AW Protected LiIon C-Cells
Kaidomain reflector, bored to fit 5761
Kiu Socket
Borofloat lens
Philips 5761

I saw in your shootout you had some arcing problems with your 2C Mag61. Is this a common problem? Also are LiIons safe to run in these high out setups? I like the idea of running LiIon over NiMH as long as it's reasonably safe to do so.
Since that archived post I replaced the Kai reflector with LOP reflector by Litho, which is significantly better beam pattern and quality. I've actually pretty much rebuilt my entire hotwire collection -- I cannibalized all those ones in the beamshot thread. Eventually I'll do a new beamshot post but probably not for a while.

Also, I now believe the arcing was mainly a problem with that particular mag switch, since I've done other builds at >5A current, also through stock mag switches, without noticing the same problem. So if you were to wire one up as you described it should work fine.

A better approach that will require more work, if you're up for it, is to pass the current through a Power Mosfet :

Pin 1 -- the "gate" -- connect the output of the magswitch to this. ((EDIT: forgot to mentinon a large-value resistor between gate and ground is also needed))
Pin 2 -- source -- connect directly to the battery (+) contact
Pin 3 -- drain -- connect to the lamp socket

This is the simplest arrangement, and the biggest adavantage is a huge reduction in switch resistance. This part is only ~0.009 ohms, so for high current lamps, this will lead to a less voltage drop across the switch and brighter burning lamp.

I am in the process of converting most of my hotwires over to use transitor switches, with more complicated circuit controlling the gate so that I can add failsafes such as temperature probes with the ability to turn OFF the light if it's on and dangerously hot.
 
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Thanks for the suggestions everyone. I'm going to go ahead and give the 2C 5761 a try.

If I get a camless LOP reflector from Litho does it need to be bored for the 5761...and if so how would I go about doing it?
 
Yes...and with sanapaper/dremel, i'm doing one this week, maybe i'll do a write up, i'll at least post it here in in incan forum.
 
Yes...and with sanapaper/dremel, i'm doing one this week, maybe i'll do a write up, i'll at least post it here in in incan forum.

What's the diameter? I know the opening for a ROP is .32(15mm), how similar in size is the 5761? I am also building one of these and I am about to purchase my reflector.
 
Is it as large as the Osram bulbs?
Not even close. The actual "bulb" portion is similar size to stock krypton lamps. It's only just slightly larger than the stock diameter on the Litho reflector, so you'll only need to sand it a small amount. I don't have the light or calipers with me right now so I can't say the exact diameter, but you don't need to remove much with the dremel.
 
The envelope on the 5761 isn't perfectly round so you will need to check the diameter of it with the filament pointed towards you and then again with the filament parallel to you. It should roughly be 8.6-8.8 mm with the filament pointed towards you and 9.2-9.4 mm with the filament parallel to you.
 
I run my 5761's with AW's Soft starter. It is in the BST section. One of my favorite :candle:. If you don't want to fool with the soft starter you could make a mag11. Fivemega offers a neat one called the "PRINCE" It comes wih an extra lens for throw. Just purchased another! All of the above are great torches coupled with AW's C Lithium Ion's. Try the following searches:

5761
mag85
FM85
mag11
 
I run my 5761's with AW's Soft starter. It is in the BST section. One of my favorite :candle:. If you don't want to fool with the soft starter you could make a mag11. Fivemega offers a neat one called the "PRINCE" It comes wih an extra lens for throw. Just purchased another! All of the above are great torches coupled with AW's C Lithium Ion's.

I agree, the 2x C Prince is a very neat kit, compact, simple and has good run time output combination. I am not into colors, if fivemega had another black/grey one, I would have purchased another.

Now, with the 5761, I have this one in a 2x D Maglite run on 2x D individual Kai Li-ion cells operated by AW's soft start/three level switch.....a perfect combination.
 
I'm also looking for a high quality charger for use with the AW C cells. Something in the $150 or less range. The most important thing is to find one that's easy to use and safe.

I've been looking at:
CellPro 4S
Tenergy
BC-6
iCharger iC6

Any suggestions on which of these would be best?
 
Good news, just got my #3 HOP reflector from Lithio123, 5761 fit perfectly, so if you want to make a Mag61, just get both parts from greg, works great. Wish i would have gone with a stippled finish though, few beam artifacts. But BRIGHT, like having a 4th level above my Mag11, AW3stage.
 
Good news, just got my #3 HOP reflector from Lithio123, 5761 fit perfectly, so if you want to make a Mag61, just get both parts from greg, works great. Wish i would have gone with a stippled finish though, few beam artifacts. But BRIGHT, like having a 4th level above my Mag11, AW3stage.

I was just getting ready to order a LOP from Litho but now I'm wondering if I should go with with a MOP or HOP. I'm looking for the one that has the best combination of good throw and decent beam.

Also, that's great to hear about the 5761 fitting with no modification.
 
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