Best AA edc flashlight?

kerneldrop

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I guess I haven't put too much thought into it... i just use it.
If the mode isn't the one I want then I just press until I get to the mode I want.
But I'm not a delicate kinda guy either
 

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The Malkoff MDC level switching scheme is a critical design flaw in an otherwise brilliant design. I often use the light for short bursts at night, which is typical for a low output light like this. The result is the next time I turn it on, it's a mystery as to what level the light will come on.
 

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Too funny. One man's trash is another's treasure. Even though my favorite lights are single mode with hi/lo, the only multi mode lights I use are MDC and forward clickies. Can't stand reverse clicky nonsense. What could be simpler? Use light and it will start on lowlow or advance modes quickly and the next start will be on the next higher mode. That's it!
Except it's not that simple. No other light behaves the same way the MDC does. Using a light in a quick, momentary fashion in medium mode should not result in it coming on in high mode. I shouldn't have to think about what mode it might come on in the next time I use it. What could be simpler? Either having a memory or not having a memory, not having a memory that remembers a mode that you never used, but only sometimes. Also, advancing to the next mode during long term use rather than going to the lowest mode. would be simpler If you're in medium and need high, which would you rather do, M-H or M-L-M-H? I expect such a UI in cheap Chinese lights, not a high end American made light.
 

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I guess I haven't put too much thought into it... i just use it.
If the mode isn't the one I want then I just press until I get to the mode I want.
But I'm not a delicate kinda guy either
I just use it too and it rarely does what I want. You don't spend good money on a product line that's known for it's simplicity, only for it to behave as it does.

I won't even go into your statement about not being a "delicate kinda guy"....
 

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I won't even go into your statement about not being a "delicate kinda guy"....

It goes along with the flashlight niche. It's a delicate artsy niche...special metals, special LED bins, very specific tint desires, taking fancy flashlight pics and posting it on FB. I'm a caveman -- I turn light on I turn light off.
 

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Tastes vary. The MDC does exactly what I want in a robust way. The lowlow is great in total darkness, the high lights up a forest enough, and the medium is perfect for most tasks. I like my Zebralight and my Lumintop AAs too, but prefer the MDCs sturdiness somehow. The ZL turned on in my pocket too once, and emptied its battery.
 

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It goes along with the flashlight niche. It's a delicate artsy niche...special metals, special LED bins, very specific tint desires, taking fancy flashlight pics and posting it on FB. I'm a caveman -- I turn light on I turn light off.
Not sure what that has to do with the MDC UI. I'd also like to point out Mr. Caveman that you're on a flashlight forum:poke:
 

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I^^ I love my s1a in NW. Gorgeous tint and beam but essentially irreplaceable these days so I won't carry it cuz I've lost edc lights before that I couldn't easily replace and I don't want to do that again. Regardless I'm surprised no one mentioned the Zebralight sc53 or sc5 mk2 series. I have the sc53c and it's a solid light. Programming options allow you to get it to come on at your desired outputs (1 click medium for me) and get the other modes the way you want them. I carried it's predecessor series, an sc52d and sc52w for a long time and never had any issues. I like the flexibility of the ui. The newer series doesn't officially support dual fuel but it's possible. Theres a thread on here about that so you can decide if you want to try it. But it's plenty bright and efficient on an eneloop. If I had to stick to AA format that's what I would choose.
 

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How so? It's actually pretty understandable why for me, I kind of have a love/hate relationship with my MDC AA. ....The bigger dislike for me however is the bizarre use of on time for mode switching rather than off time....

Agreed. I could never get accustomed to the mode switching on my Malkoff MDC AA. It was dimmer and bulkier than expected. I sold it.
 

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Agreed. I could never get accustomed to the mode switching on my Malkoff MDC AA. It was dimmer and bulkier than expected. I sold it.
I started trying different brand AA lights because of the cost of CR123a batteries. So far I've tried foursevens, fenix and nitecore. So far I am not disappointed, these companies have come a ways since i remember the cheaper end lights 20 years ago..
 

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I'm not sure I understand the controversy here... so if you leave the MDC AA on for more than a second, next time it goes in to lowlow, regardless of what was the mode it was used in... right?
 

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I'm not sure I understand the controversy here... so if you leave the MDC AA on for more than a second, next time it goes in to lowlow, regardless of what was the mode it was used in... right?

Sure, on paper that sounds practical, 1 second isn't that long right? In my use a lot of the time however, it's longer than I use the light. A crap ton of my usage is just "what's that?" *shines light* "oh" *light off*. From going to medium to identifying the thing in question to releasing the momentary switch, it takes less than 1 second (that is of course assuming the 1 second thing is timed right.) My reward for my quick, efficient use of my light? Why an unexpected turn on in high mode of course!

FYI, the thing usually in question in these scenarios is a clump of cat hair lol. My cats like to roughhouse a lot, so it's a frequent thing. If it's not a clump of cat hair, it's likely a dead mouse.
 

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I wasn't trying to argue, just understand what's the kerfuffle was about
btw if you're using your flashlight in that manner, wouldn't you be better of with a single mode light...? with your described usage pattern I feel like almost all electronic mode switching lights would go haywire
 

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I wasn't trying to argue, just understand what's the kerfuffle was about
btw if you're using your flashlight in that manner, wouldn't you be better of with a single mode light...? with your described usage pattern I feel like almost all electronic mode switching lights would go haywire
The MDC is the only light I've had a problem with using in this matter and I have my fair share of lights. What's the purpose of this kind of UI anyway? Who is asking for their light to behave this way?
 

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oh now I understand how you use it, put in batteries, tap for less than one second, so it goes into medium, turn it off immediately and when you need it you just tap it on for less than a second, but that will advance the stored mode, so it comes on high next time. yeah I can see how 100 lumens instead of 10 would be annoying...

I think I figured out why it works like this. So with the 1AA, available power is very restricted, that's why it doesn't have reverse polarity protection. In most flashlights with electronic mode switching you turn the light off for a given period of time to advance modes. For example you have it on med, turned on, you turn it off briefly, it will come on high. If you turn it off longer, it will come on med again. That means that the flashlight knows how long was it turned off, meaning the driver was actively monitoring the state of the light, hence consuming power. With the MDC, it only reads/writes the memory when the light is turned on, so if it's turned on for less then a second, it reads the mode from memory, turns on at that mode, and then writes the next mode in to memory. If it's left on, it will write default mode ( lowlow ) into memory, without checking the last stored mode. This way you don't need to run a timer when the light is "off", meaning it's not giving light, you only energize the brain of the light when it's on. But that's just my theory, someone would need to check parasitic drain and whatnot to confirm, but that's what I figured could be the explanation behind the mode-switching algorithm.
 

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For starters, it would come on in high instead of moonlight. that's 90 lumens instead of .3. The 1AA theory doesn't hold any water, plenty of other lights have no problem, including 1AAA lights, regardless if the light does or does not have a mode memory. Also, it's standard MDC UI, even the 16650 model behaves this way as does the M361.

Lights with mechanical switches don't have parasitic drain for the most part, I believe they work by charging a capacitor or something for the timing.

I recall seeing someone once say the UI is like this for signalling purposes, but that doesn't make much of any sense either.
 

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I'm trying to think of a reason why I would use a burst of Lumens for less than a second.

I suppose the UI doesn't bother me because i turn on my light for more than a second.
 

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i still say fenix aa 2.0 i like it becuases it small just a bit over 3 inches long
 

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I've had a ton of AA lights but sold them all except for my Ti Tool 2.0 with LH351D 5k led. It's on me everyday even if I have another larger light already. It fits my needs perfectly and always works when I need it to.

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I'm waiting on the Corvus to be made, maybe that can knock the Tool off of the AA list.


Maybe. ;)
 

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