Thanks ill check it outI think I understand and if I do its kind of a compromise. You can get further throw but with less lumens you get less brightness generally speaking? Where if u go with a lesser throw but higher lumen its likely to be more lit up?@Cruzer, I have seen the hs-802 mentioned at 30,000 lux. Here's a good thread on throwers two whole pages worth. Lumens is a measure of the total amout of light and lux measures the intensity in a given area at a given distance. You can have a light with twice the lumens and the light with half the lumens could out throw it if its measured lux is higher. The hs-802 with XR-E R2 comes in around 230 lumens and can be modded with a amc7135 1400ma driver for 330 lumens. Its more about the combination how tight the beam is and lumens.