Blake Co-Ax Indicator

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I recently picked up a Blake Co-Ax Indicator... Two actually, by mistake!:duh2:

If you have not used one of these they can really make life easier when centering part of a workpiece with the spindle or for even centering the tail stock on your lathe.

Say you want to bore a hole or bearing pocket larger, how do you center the existing hole under the spindle? What about getting a rotary table centered? I used to grab the dial indicator chuck it in the spindle and chase it in circles tweaking the X & Y until the needle stopped moving all the time trying to see the dial face to see how it was progressing all the way around.

With the Co-Ax indicator you chuck it up (in this case I'm using an ER-40 collet to hold it but a drill chuck works also if you will be drilling holes) adjust the item you want centered as close to centered by eye as you can then adjust the feeler point so that the small indicator is about centered in its travel with the feeler point sitting where it will be in operation. I have been rotating the spindle by hand to make sure there is no binding before switching on the power. When I'm sure it will spin without any obstruction I then turn on the power at 700 - 800 RPM or less. The indicator needle will start bouncing back and forth. Start by adjusting one of the axis wheels until the needle deflects the least, then adjust the other axis wheel for the least needle movement. if the hole is pretty smooth and round inside you can get the needle to not move at all. That is it! the part will be within .0002" centered on the axis of the spindle. You can also use the curved feeler point to indicate the outside of a round part or cylinder.

Here I am centering a part to open up a hole, the hole could also be the center hole of the rotary table:
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This shot shows the restraining arm that keeps the indicator from spinning with the spindle and keeps the dial facing where you point it, no more chasing around in circles!:
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On the lathe you can use the Co-Ax to center the tail stock. Here it is being held in a 5C collet and the feeler is indicating the operator side of the Tail stock:

TailFrt.jpg


Manually rotate the collet chuck 180 degrees to indicate off the rear inside of the TS. Power is not used here. Notice the needle is exactly in the same position front and rear so it should be within .0002"
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You can also check the verticle offset, not that it is easy to adjust but it is nice to know if it is close.
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It looks like my TS is .0014" above the axis of the spindle. As the bottom of it wears it will get closer to centering up!
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Did anyone notice My new Power feed on the mill :whistle: :party:

So now I have two Like New Blake Co-Ax indicators, and only need one! I guess I will try eBay, unless someone here would like one for what I have in it.
 
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You can restrain the body by holding it, but make sure nothing is in the way :D FWIW, the part being bored is a wing strut end bushing from the McLaren M6B driven by Swede Savage & Dan Gurney in Trans-Am racing. Those cars sold for $14k in 1968, but the Savage-Gurney car is insured now for $500k.

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I will try eBay, unless someone here would like one for what I have in it.
I'd be surprised if you don't sell it here ... they are a great addition to mill tooling.
 
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So now I have two Like New Blake Co-Ax indicators, and only need one! I guess I will try eBay, unless someone here would like one for what I have in it.

I am definitely interested. My email is in my signature - let me know how much you want for your "extra" one.

Will
 
Jason,

Thanks, looks like will wants it, thanks though.

Right now there are several on the bay, the so so condition ones will probably go for $140 - $150 ish, The nice ones usually seem to end at over $160 and up. Or new MSC had them $316.xx I think.
 
Jason,

Thanks, looks like will wants it, thanks though.

Right now there are several on the bay, the so so condition ones will probably go for $140 - $150 ish, The nice ones usually seem to end at over $160 and up. Or new MSC had them $316.xx I think.

:paypal:

Thanks again Ray ;)

Will
 
you guys are killing me here, I gotta have one of these. So I take it that I should avoid the SPI version?
 
you guys are killing me here, I gotta have one of these. So I take it that I should avoid the SPI version?

I have heard some say SPI is okay, but they subcontract their tooling from the lowest bidder so quality may vary.

Blake is USA made in So. Kalifornia. They also recert, repair their own indicators very reasonably. The one Will is getting has a Fresh Certification that I believe comes with a warranty like a new product! Don't quote on that, but I believe that is what I read on their web site.

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BTW this kind of killing is not a crime... or Barry would have been locked up long ago! :)
 
I should avoid the SPI version?
The problem with SPI (Swiss Precision Industries) or Phase II or Fred B. Fowler is that none of them are manufacturers of the products they sell. They contract with whomever they choose to make a product that looks like a Blake, works like a Blacke, etc. And the copy is often nearly as expensive as the original.

Also, Blake will repair their indicator if needed. Who will repair a SPI or Phase II? And is it worth the cost of repair?
 
I agree with everything the experts are saying about the SPI unit and the possible downsides. I have one, have used it a few times and it works fine. But I saw a new Blake for a good price and got it, not because the SPI doesn't work but because I wanted a Blake. Go figure. So, if anyone wants a coaxial indicator and doesn't want to pay the price for a Blake, send me a PM!

David
 
The one Will is getting has a Fresh Certification that I believe comes with a warranty like a new product! Don't quote on that, but I believe that is what I read on their web site.
Dude!

You were not exaggerating at all! This one not only "does" look like a brand new unit, but it does come with a certificate from Blake certifying that it has been rebuild and calibrated to like new condition on Feb 8 2010, and it even includes the N.I.S.T test report # - truly impressive. Thanks much Ray :twothumbs
 
Dude!

You were not exaggerating at all! This one not only "does" look like a brand new unit, but it does come with a certificate from Blake certifying that it has been rebuild and calibrated to like new condition on Feb 8 2010, and it even includes the N.I.S.T test report # - truly impressive. Thanks much Ray :twothumbs


Will,

I am jealous, you always get the good deals! :poke:

Seriously, I try my best to be honest and accurate when describing something for sale. It just tweaks my Twinkies when I go to look at something and it is not as advertised.

I'm glad you are happy with it... I thought you would be!
 
A dial test gage with an Universal Indicator Holder, sets up in about 3 Seconds, clamps just under quill. Ive seen a never used Blake coax last 2 seconds on a cnc machine :popcorn::popcorn:
:eek:

Never really knew why people used those things.

A dial test gage with an indocol clamp, can center a spindle over a part, in about 10 seconds. Its probably one of my favorite tools, wish it could clamp on to more things faster.


Universal Indicator Holder
://www.shoprutlandtool.com/catalog/prestige-value-universal-indicator-holder-for-bridgeport-mill-j-head/21868531.html
 
Have an indicol, Have an Interapid dial test and they work fine, they are accurate.

One problem I have is that my down feed stop adjustment is right in front of the spindle and clamping the indicol to the spindle is very a tight fit. The indicol set screw has to hang 40-50% off the end of the spindle for it to clear the down stop adj.
Also I guess I'm lazy I don't like chasing the dial test in circles to get the adjustment, it also takes me a couple minutes to set up and center over a hole so I am not as practiced as you.
With the Blake the very first time I used it I was set up and centered in less that a minute and it being the first time was with zero practice! So I think it was a worthwhile investment... but who needs an excuse to buy tools any way! (except maybe for the wife!)

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Like with guns, I would rather have tools and not need them than need them and not have them!
 
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My Indicol + Interapid is used the most ... but for some jobs, nothing beats a Blake Co-Ax. Very deep holes are a breeze, something that's nearly impossible with an Interapid.
 
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You can restrain the body by holding it, but make sure nothing is in the way :D FWIW, the part being bored is a wing strut end bushing from the McLaren M6B driven by Swede Savage & Dan Gurney in Trans-Am racing. Those cars sold for $14k in 1968, but the Savage-Gurney car is insured now for $500k.

mclarenm6b.jpg



I'd be surprised if you don't sell it here ... they are a great addition to mill tooling.


I was in Dan Gurneys shop (20 years ago) when they were fabricating their now famous Toyota GTP cars, they totally dominated, for a while. Cleanest nicest shop I ever seen. The best part was the hardware store across the street. My shop will be next door or above one.
 
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