I forgot to mention. The NC star one is kinda nicer, and seems to be one of the few that survive shotgun recoil, even compared to many at the >$250 price point. It came with a blurry outer protective in the screw cap. I made a new one from a plastic microscope slide and got a much cleaner dot out of the thing. The clear CD on a stack of blank Cds works well enough for this too. One thing if you are planning to mount on a firearm with some significant recoil: inline batteries tend to get hammered in and stop making good contact while they have lots of charge left. I keep one battery for the range, and another for the bedside. I wish someone would make a solid compact reasonably high quality pulsing green laser for ~$75 using a transverse mounted CR123. One big momentary switch on the back and a clicky switch on the side, with a place to plug in a remote tape switch would suit me.