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Re: Catapult V2 w/ smo (thoughts/pics) OTF #'s low. Maybe driver problem?

Well I guess I opened up a can of worms. I'm glad I did though. Maybe this will open some eyes up, good or bad.

This is the reason I love SureFire. They post minimum lumens on their product specs. Both of my SF lights that were tested made more than what they were advertised as.

we accept your suggestion. we'll send selfbuilt and light-reviews. and mac for lumens test and review before we release new model. what do you think? thanks for your good suggestion!
 
ThruNite,

Let me reiterate, I think your light is top notch. I have shown it to many non-flashaholic people and all have complemented on it.
What I have a problem with is the specifications. You cannot sell a light to "our kind" of people without having it tested and scrutinized to death.
I suggest, and this is only a suggestion, publish specs that will be closer to what it actually puts out.
Also, as a company, I suggest you invest in a calibrated sphere for prototype testing. This way you know what you are producing.
 
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ThruNite,

Let me reiterate, I think your light is top notch. I have shown it to many non-flashaholic people and all have complemented on it.
What I have a problem with is the specifications. You cannot sell a light to "our kind" of people without having it tested and scrutinized to death.
I suggest, and this is only a suggestion, publish specs that will be closer to what it actually puts out.
Also, as a company, I suggest you invest in a calibrated sphere for prototype testing. This way you know what you are producing.

THanks very much. I think we'll get a sphere to test the lumens. maybe.We 'll mark the OFT lumens instead of LED lumens. correct? I think LUminus is a bigger company than us currently. If I have not got OFT lumens, I just get a good reslut from orignary company. of course. we think Luminus is a truthful company. so I can trust. of course. you can tell us what feeling .Is it worth of your money?:naughty:

In a world. Thanks very much for every one who make us to be better. thanks .we are always listenning!!!!!
 
Re: Catapult V2 w/ smo (thoughts/pics) OTF #'s low. Maybe driver problem?

we accept your suggestion. we'll send selfbuilt and light-reviews. and mac for lumens test and review before we release new model. what do you think? thanks for your good suggestion!

selfbuilt and others do a good job at reviewing the lights as-is. I don't think selfbuilt has a sphere to measure OTF. I know we can get into non-calibrated sphere versus professionally calibrated but I'm assuming numbers will be close.

bigchelis has a sphere as wells as MrGman. Moddoo does too. Maybe they should be the ones to get numbers on the lights before releasing a production version. Average all three numbers for a roundabout OTF?? That sounds like a plan to me.
 
Re: Catapult V2 w/ smo (thoughts/pics) OTF #'s low. Maybe driver problem?

this is for the good. kind of like the heartbreak kid. stings at first but good stuff later 😛

you never know if one of their suppliers sent lower quality electronics making their drivers inefficient etc
if i was a manufacturer i would be just as curious on what's going on here.

Dear F22shift:

We purchase electronic parts from famous supplier and manufacturer for high quality. sice we conduct warranty service. so we make various test. especially for driver. If users operate folllowing the manual. It's not easy to damage 😱oo:.
 
Re: Catapult V2 w/ smo (thoughts/pics) OTF #'s low. Maybe driver problem?

selfbuilt and others do a good job at reviewing the lights as-is. I don't think selfbuilt has a sphere to measure OTF. I know we can get into non-calibrated sphere versus professionally calibrated but I'm assuming numbers will be close.

bigchelis has a sphere as wells as MrGman. Moddoo does too. Maybe they should be the ones to get numbers on the lights before releasing a production version. Average all three numbers for a roundabout OTF?? That sounds like a plan to me.

THanks very much for your good suggestion ,and good guideline. We'll do,

Thanks very much!

Your sincerely

David
 
I've been eyeing this thing for quite some time already. And now they have come up with a V2. :naughty:

Where can i get it? And what's the CPF code for it for some discount (5%?)

And is there anyway to extend the battery tude to have 3 18650s? More run timem maybe more lumens?

Forexer
Forexer:

we currently never relase extended battery tube to have 3 18650.

for brightness. no change on 2 18650. it will be same from 4.5v-13v input voltage!

Thanks very much !

Best Regards

David
 
Re: Catapult V2 w/ smo (thoughts/pics) OTF #'s low. Maybe driver problem?

I'm with you on this bro... but if Surefire made the Catapult instead of Thrunite, we'd be paying US$400 and not $160. So we do get what we pay for I guess.

Dear Fusion:

Thanks for your explanation. More suggestion enable us to be better. even some of are not correct.but we'll consider their suggestion! maybe we can reach.:sssh:

Thank you Gusion

Best Regards

David
 
Re: Catapult V2 w/ smo (thoughts/pics) OTF numbers now. Not good

If you send the brightest, you should also send the least bright, that way you'll have a range within which all of the lights will fall. If you send only the brightest, your customers will only know that their light won't be that bright.

yes. so . we just pick up any lights from our production.and send out for review.So, you see that the lumens is same the production, what I choose the best LED want to see how bright the light can reach. I am not sure this is correct?
 
Dear All:

I think it's time to end up:ironic:. we think we have find all the answer. whatdo you think? It't time to start another thing. I am not sure how to start:

I hope more to see what it is on Catapult v2. IS it a really top quality products. and good quality. we want to start a pass around. I am not sure this is Ok. how to start, give me some suggestion?


Looking forwards to your reply!

Best Regards

David From ThruNite.
 
Dear All:

I think it's time to end up:ironic:. we think we have find all the answer. whatdo you think? It't time to start another thing. I am not sure how to start:

I hope more to see what it is on Catapult v2. IS it a really top quality products. and good quality. we want to start a pass around. I am not sure this is Ok. how to start, give me some suggestion?


Looking forwards to your reply!

Best Regards

David From ThruNite.



A passaround sounds like a good idea but it needs to be done by a member at the market place. NOT CPF PROPER. I suggest making arrangements with one of our trusted reviewers.
 
A passaround sounds like a good idea but it needs to be done by a member at the market place. NOT CPF PROPER. I suggest making arrangements with one of our trusted reviewers.

THanks .Ungorgiven. I am not sure how to start!!

what do you mean,who are our trusted reviewers!

Could you tell me what can not be said in this area?

THanks

Best Regards

David
 
And to also make claims that it's brighter than V1 is what is bothering me as well.

Going by the light-reviews test of the V1, the loss was 28% (649 out of a claimed 900 lumens). So I expected the V2 to approximate this as well, and this would result in ~720 lumens. Seeing as the numbers (so far available) for the V2 are lower than the V1, I'm bothered as well.
 
Re: Catapult V2 w/ smo (thoughts/pics) OTF numbers now. Not good

You've misunderstood my post :caution:

If Thrunite claims 1000 LED lumens, then test it. It's simple. The reflector assembly can be easily removed (image from selfbuilt's review):
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If the light will score 1000 LED lumens (or close) it means that such high losses are due to reflector/bezel/etc. design. Then live with it.

If the LED will score significantly less than 1000 lumens, then you have a legal right to return your flashlight as a faulty unit. SIMPLE!

I agree with this and would be curious to see what the V2 puts out without the head/reflector assembly (if the light hasn't been returned to you 021411, would you ask BigC to test this way?).

Particularly after what Moddoo posted in relation to his own testing of the V1. Seems the actual emitter output is quite a bit less than the theoretical calculated output (unless there are some other exceptional circumstances at play).
 
Re: Catapult V2 w/ smo (thoughts/pics) OTF numbers now. Not good

yes. so . we just pick up any lights from our production.and send out for review.So, you see that the lumens is same the production, what I choose the best LED want to see how bright the light can reach. I am not sure this is correct?

Well, it's your business, so send whichever one you want to send.

However, when I owned and operated a retail business, one of the first things I learned was that under-promising and over-delivering was a good way to win customer loyalty. When expectations are exceeded, customers tend to be very happy.

By showing specs of your light to be 1000 lumens, and then delivering a light that only puts out 600 lumens, customers' expectations of the light are not met. On the other hand, if you had advertised it to have 500 lumens, the same 600 lumen output would have exceeded customers' expectations, and they would be much happier with the 600 lumen light that has, in reality, disappointed some customers due to it not meeting its specifications.

Take, for example, the SureFire LX2. It puts out about 250 lumens, according to bigchelis' integrating sphere. So what? 250 lumens isn't terribly impressive, right? The Catapult V2 puts out more than twice that much, at a lower price (if I recall correctly). But, Surefire advertises the LX2 as only a 200 lumen light, so when owners find out their lights are putting out 25% more lumens than advertised, they're ecstatic about it. Even though it's still just a 250 lumen light selling for $195. Surefire under-promised and over-delivered. That's why we don't see a thread entitled, "SureFire LX2 (thoughts/pics) OTF numbers now. Not good."

People will find out what the real output of you lights are. Would you rather they be excited that they put out more light than you claim, or disappointed, because they miss the claimed output by 40%?

You say that you are just using the LED manufacturer's output numbers, but that's a copout. Every flashlight enthusiast knows that emitter lumens are virtually always higher than OTF torch lumens, often dramatically so.

So, which flashlight should you send out to be tested? If it were me, I would send out the least bright light, and then pick a nice multiple of 25 at least fifty lumens below the tested light, and advertise that number. People will figure out the real output soon enough. But when they do, it will boost your reputation because you under-promised and over-delivered.
 
Dear All:

I think it's time to end up:ironic:. we think we have find all the answer. whatdo you think? It't time to start another thing. I am not sure how to start:

I hope more to see what it is on Catapult v2. IS it a really top quality products. and good quality.

Hi David,

In my opinion there are many aspects regarding quality:

- Quality of materials
- Build quality
- Finishing quality
- Beam quality
- Design quality

In general I think the Catapult V2 is good quality. The materials are good (like the SS bezel, 7075 aluminum, ultra clear lens). Build quality is strong and beefy. Finishing is good. Beam quality is ok.

Design wise - if you are indeed suffering 40% loss then see if you can design a more efficient reflector. Can your tail switch or driver be further improved? I'm no expert in these areas, just raising some points for your consideration.

Anyway, I think the discussion here is more about how you advertise your brightness specs and manage the customers' expectations.
 
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