concentrated beam flashlight recommendation

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Hello everyone!

I am a career firefighter in a nearby city, and also a volunteer firefighter in my hometown and in search of two new flashlights. One to carry in my fire gear and also another to carry on my belt while just in uniform. I am looking for more of a concentrated beam as opposed to a flood beam, and needs to be about the size of a Streamlight PT2L.

I am trying to get away from using dual CR123s, and would rather use either single/double AAs or a single 18650 (currently researching to buy a charger and several 18650s).

The thing I'm having trouble with is finding one with a concentrated beam or spotlight type beam, so that's where I'm looking for some recommendations.

Thanks!
 
If you are looking for a portable spotlight, link removed is a pretty small light that throws out to 400 meters. The newer version, link removed, throws out to 490 meters. Both lights are all spot and zero spill, perfect for punching through thick smoke and fog. The downsides are that the spot beam makes it useless at close range, and the lights themselves only take 18650 and don't run on primaries.

Dereelight Javelin with smooth reflector and XR-E R2 EZ900 or XP-E R4 will get you the tightest possible beam for non-aspheric 2xAA mass-production light, with beam distance of ~200 meters. I carry the Javelin "Shorty" with modified drop-in that can throw out to ~230 meters and run on 1xCR123A, 1xRCR123A or 1x14500, and can run on 1xAA in a pinch.
 
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It is difficult to get much throw (concentrated beam) with a small reflector such as on lights the size of the PT2L. Most "throwy" lights have a larger diameter and deeper reflector to concentrate more of the emitter output into a narrow beam.

In the smaller size lights look at the EagleTacP100A2, if you are prpeared to step up in size consider the Dereelight DBS (1 x 18650) with reflector head which will have a LOT more throw, and it has a bit of spill as well which makes it a bit more general purpose than lights with aspheric lenses (these give a very narrow, spotlight beam with no spill).
 
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Consider the Malkoff MD2 w/ matching Hi CRI M61 drop-in. Tight beam profile, plenty of output, warm tint emitter for cutting through smoke/fog/steam, and bomb-proof durability. Made to use single 18650, get several AW brand 18650s, a good charger and you're good to go.
 
Dereelight Javelin with smooth reflector and XR-E R2 EZ900 or XP-E R4 will get you the tightest possible beam for non-aspheric 2xAA mass-production light, with beam distance of ~200 meters. I carry the Javelin "Shorty" with modified drop-in that can throw out to ~230 meters and run on 1xCR123A, 1xRCR123A or 1x14500, and can run on 1xAA in a pinch.
How about a Dereelight 3 cell Javelin body with a DBS asphyric XR-E R2 EZ900 head. Not the smallest or most versatile but will cut throw smoke like a lightsaber. Or you could pony up $300 for a OMG lumens DEFT EDC LR?

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?332158-Best-Throw-with-AA-s
 
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Thanks for all the suggestions! I appreciate it, keep them coming!

I'm trying to stay below around $80, the lower the better.

Right now I'm very interested in the L-mini II on my belt. Only thing that's making me second guess is the size of the light compared to the current streamlight PT2L on my belt.

For in the fire gear pocket, I'm looking at the Thrunite T30.

Another question for you all: How safe are 18650 batteries in heat situations? On my belt under my firegear, it could get to the vicinity of ~150F. But the one I would actually use in a fire, could get to ~250F-300F. But then again, I have some protection for the one I would use in a fire.

Thanks again for the suggestions!
 
I have the Deft edc LR, and it is a few inches long, (~ 5"), easily pocketable, but will throw 1,000 meters. It will put a square patch of light where ever you want it...you will be ASTOUNDED!

I also have an Olight SR90, which is like a 4D Maglight on steroids, and which throws like crazy, one of the best throwing production LED spotlights...and the Deft edc LR out throws it.

Food for thought.
 
haha yeah I was looking at the Deft EDC lights and was very excited because it was pretty much what I was looking for............UNTIL I saw the price


Now I'm second guessing the 18650 choice, and thinking of sticking with AAs since I already have 12 eneloops and a chager, and will buy more batteries in the future. How are 18650s in heat situations? The light on my belt under my firegear can get to about 150-180F, and the one in my pocket in my firegear can get to about 250-300F or over. This is what makes me second guess using 18650s and want to stick with the AAs.

What is the "throwiest" single and double AA lights?

One thing I'm sort of confused on is: The Fenix LD10 is listed at 100 lumens while the JetBeam BA10 is 160 lumens. But many posts people say that the LD10 is brighter and more concentrated beam. Is there something else I should be looking at for brightness other than lumens (I understand this doesn't necessarily mean the light "throws" well, just the brightness)

Thanks!
 
haha yeah I was looking at the Deft EDC lights and was very excited because it was pretty much what I was looking for............UNTIL I saw the price


Now I'm second guessing the 18650 choice, and thinking of sticking with AAs since I already have 12 eneloops and a chager, and will buy more batteries in the future. How are 18650s in heat situations? The light on my belt under my firegear can get to about 150-180F, and the one in my pocket in my firegear can get to about 250-300F or over. This is what makes me second guess using 18650s and want to stick with the AAs.

What is the "throwiest" single and double AA lights?

One thing I'm sort of confused on is: The Fenix LD10 is listed at 100 lumens while the JetBeam BA10 is 160 lumens. But many posts people say that the LD10 is brighter and more concentrated beam. Is there something else I should be looking at for brightness other than lumens (I understand this doesn't necessarily mean the light "throws" well, just the brightness)

Thanks!

Lumens is like gallons of water per minute out your fire hose.

If you make the aperture smaller (Put your thumb over the end of the hose, etc...), the same GPM will shoot out further, because the same volume has to fit into a skinnier package, etc.

So, "Brightness" has no technical meaning per se.

What you want if you want a tight beam pattern is to have MOST of the lumens produced illuminating a small area.

The amount of light ON a surface is typically referred to as LUX. A surface lit by moonlight is typically rated as around a quarter LUX (0.25) but of course moonlight is not the same everywhere or every night, etc...that's an average. 😀

A tight beam has a lot of lux on a small area, and not much LUX on the rest.

If you have 100 lumens as a source, but concentrate it into a tight beam, most of that 100 lumens is turned into LUX on a small target...call it 10 LUX at some 1' round target face....and no lux around it (Circle of light with darkness around it...a more or less perfect albeit theoretical throw)

For the same 100 lumen source with a floody beam, you might have only 1 LUX on your target, but the circle of light illuminated at 1 LUX might be 10' instead of only 1', and there might be further areas with less than 1 LUX surrounding that as well, etc.

So, your hose sprays out the same amount of water, but you can make a puddle 1' around and a foot deep, or 10' around and a few mm deep, and so forth.

Some patterns have three parts...the hot spot (The bright central spot of light), a corona (A ring of less bright light around the hot spot), and spill (Light around the corona that is not focused).

Depending on the use, all three parts can be useful. A cop running after a perp might want a great hot spot, but he needs at least decent spill to see where he's going/not trip on stuff during the chase, etc.

Hope that helps!

😀

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As for the safety of Lithiums in firefighting...I know they are in use in lights at fire departments - but I also thought that if the cell got too hot it might start to boil the electrolyte, etc. Someone probably looked at this issue, but I'll ask my buddies what the story is on that. Primary batteries can also catch fire, not just rechargables...but I have not heard of fireman having lights catch on fire from it either.

It may just be a case of how long it takes to raise the temperature enough to be critical...and whether any one reaches it in practice.
 
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Thanks! Awesome explanations!

The problem I'm having.......IS SO MANY OPTIONS OF DIFFERENT FLASHLIGHTS!!! I'm so indecisive when it comes to spending money.

I'm really looking at the Klarus XT line now, specifically the XT2C and XT11. But the 18650 in heat situations blowing up on my belt has me freaked out...anyone have any knowledge on how they handle in higher than normal heat atmospheres?
 
I have and love my Klarus XT11, its my primary EDC actually. Super useful beam choices, super easy UI, very bright and compact....and I can't break it...its built like a tank.

😀

I just looked at Surefire's site, and the batteries in the lights they sell FOR firefighting have lithium batteries in them.....so, as they probably did at least enough homework to avoid a fire company suing them over all the lights bursting into flame, there's at least a good chance this is just not a practical concern in the industry.

They use primaries and not secondaries, but that's across the Surefire line anyway, and the primaries had been known to catch fire anyway, etc....its not like only secondaries burn. 😀

Alkalines burn as well, etc.

Anyway - I'll keep looking, but so far, it seems normal to use lithiums in firefighting.

The non-firefighting related fires that historically occurred were mostly incidents where they batteries were damaged, mis-used, or just poorly made crap for the most part, not because they were EXPOSED to high heat per se. Its mostly about the heat THEY generated in run away reactions, etc....once ignited.

Protection circuits though might have an upper limit, etc...but the X11 takes ONE battery, and imbalances between batteries, etc...can't happen when there's only one at least.

😀
 
Thanks! Awesome explanations!

The problem I'm having.......IS SO MANY OPTIONS OF DIFFERENT FLASHLIGHTS!!! I'm so indecisive when it comes to spending money.

I'm really looking at the Klarus XT line now, specifically the XT2C and XT11. But the 18650 in heat situations blowing up on my belt has me freaked out...anyone have any knowledge on how they handle in higher than normal heat atmospheres?
In regular CPF fasion BUY ALL OF THEM!

And I think CR123's would be better off than li-ions but you could use Energyser lithium AA's too.
 
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