Cop needs help finding a couple lights

[crackley]

Hi all,

I have a Fenix tk11 for my duty light. I like it a lot, but I dropped it, and now it does not turn on all the time. I've always needed a second light anyways, but now I REALLY need a second light. I do not have time to research which incad light I want. I need to order it soon, so I can send in my TK11 to get it fixed. I have had a hard time finding threads that helped me. I don't know what all the lingo is for lights...

My question;

What flashlights do you guys/gals recommend?
I want a new LED and a new Incad to carry.

Criteria:

-bright as hell... blinding bright. **** the other guy off bright. My TK11 allegedly throws out 220 lumens or something, and I am happy with it, but more is always better. I stumbled upon the Wolf Eyes Sniper (or something like that). Thoughts? While we're on the subject, do any cops here think that an LED with around 500 lumens is TOO bright?

-Small

-Both lights use the same batteries. Right now, I rotate 18650's in my TK11 (I think) If the others need something else, thats fine.

-Black metal

-I'd rather not have any features. No strobe, no light levels, etc. I want to be able to turn it on and burn faces off.

-Generally Badass

Thanks in advance.

 

[bagman]

Its not going to be easy covering all your requests.

A very bright small (2 x CR123A form factor) incan is probably going to need IMR cells i.e. 2 x IMR16340 with a IMR-9 lumen factory lamp. This is very bright but short run time (10 mins)

You could run a Malkoff M60 on these cells as well but the run time is not going to be good in comparison to 2 x primary CR123A's or even on a pair of 3.7v standard Li-ion RCR123A's

I use both incans and LED's at work but put up with the fact that I need to use and carry different batteries.

On late shifts, I use the IMR-9 as above in a Z2 or C2 host plus a Malkoff M60 in a 1 x 18650 Leaf body or a JetBeam Military III as my LED.

If you are prepared to carry 3 x CR123a size lights you could use IMR18500 cells for both the incan and M60 Malkoff in suitable 18mm bodies.

 

[hyperloop]

Always glad to try to be of service to an LEO!

First off, contact Fenix (you can try directly through www.4sevens.com) and see if your TK11 is covered by a warranty.

Next, read this review by another LEO and consider if you would change battery sizes for a blinding 630 lumens!!!

To further assist, see how someone tried his level best to kill the Fenix TK40 here

Finally, assuming that you have decided to switch to AA format, you now have 2 choices for a 2nd light. A fenix TK20 (the tint is near incan) and a whole host of other 2xAA lights from Nitecore, Eagletac, Olight, Jetbeam, Fenix (tk20 among others).

For cells, you can pick up eneloops for low self discharge but since this is a duty light and will probably see much more frequent use, search around and get 20 cells of higher capacity (1 load of 8 for the TK40, 1 spare load and 1 load for the 2xAA and a spare load).

ALSO, the TK40 can run with 4 cells instead of 8 if absolutely necessary.

To carry the spare cells, i found these cheap carriers and i am quite pleased with them. But if you want something sturdier, there are a load of choices HERE.

Hope this is of some help.

 

[nfetterly]

I think after 2 posts you can PM (private message) - I would recommend you PM NITE - one of his postings is below;

http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/showthread.php?t=194405

Click on his name and then go to contact tab...

He sells Surefire & Surefire compatible (but will accept 18 mm rechargeable cells) - I believe he's supplied quite a few setups to law enforcement. He is heavily into incans.

I would recommend the Malkoff drop in for LED application. Not the cheapest, but very very good. Best heatsink probably of drop-in LEDs around.

 

[Hogokansatsukan]

How much realestate on your duty belt do you have? Some of us have more "room" than others.:mecry:
For an incan, I like a ROP (Roar of the Pelican) lithium using 2X18650. You may have to put it together yourself, but I find this a great size for what it is. The other fun part is, your fellow officers will think it is a 2C maglite until you turn it on.
On the LED side, a Milkyspit Roomsweeper or Shotgun Sweeper. These are custom made by a forum member (Milkyspit) who is great to deal with. This light is all flood so you won't get throw, but you will see everything hiding off to the sides. This one goes in an E1E or E2E surefire body, so is quite small. Mine have served me very well.

 

[dano]

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=137823

There's three huge threads on this topic. It's asked at least once a day, and should be continued in the referenced thread(s).

 

[Drudge]

I purchased the Fenix TK40 about two weeks ago and i can't say enough good things about it. Being a marshal my tools need to take abuse and as hyperloop pointed out the link to aussiebob torture test sealed it for me. So far my light has gone swimming in a clorinated pool been droped or banged about half dozen times and its still going strong. Good luck with your decision crackley.

 

[Dances with Flashlight]

Check out PEAK'S Law Enforcement Lights:

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=230283

And their new Mauna Loa:

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=235395

 

[Toaster]

For an LED light I'd recommend you take a look at this Wolf Eyes 6A MC-Explorer. 580 lumens, single mode, runs on 1x18650 battery, and not much bigger than your TK11. You can find a review of the multi-level model here which includes a comparison against the P7 Sniper which you mentioned you were interested in.

 

[AusKipper]

Firstly I would try and get your TK11 fixed. If it doesnt turn on all the time it may be related to the tail switch (my tail switch died on my TK10) and totally unrelated to the dropping.

A new tail switch can be had for $10 or so if you cant get it replaced under warranty.

For the Incan depending on size I would go for one of the surefire incans. E1E or E2E

For the brighter LED again depends on size. TK40 is bright . The TK11 you already have is fairly throwy (which means a high-lux spot, which means it will **** that other guy off more as you say )

 

[lolzertank]

If modded lights are okay...

LED: A 2xCR123 light with a MC-E wired 2s2p with 2 IMR16340. You probably don't want to run it at 1.4A, there'll probably be too much heat. ~30 minutes.
~500 lumens

Incan: A 2xCR123 light modded into a ROP or a 5761 with 2 IMR16340. Not sure what host, maybe a modified Surefire lamp assembly and a P60 host. The runtime will only be 10 minutes or so. ~700 lumens

The small/bright/1 mode requirement always ends with short runtimes... :mecry:

Am I insane for recommending a 5761 running of 2 IMR16340s?

 

[Chrontius]

Why not a Malkoff MD2? Bright as hell (275 OTF lumens), and simple to use. They can also be retrofitted with a low-high switch like your Fenix, if you want such.

Can also be converted to P7 for 400-600 lumens, but the P7 module is expensive.

 

[old4570]

If your going to drop them - Get some solarforce L2's ..
:wave:

 

[harddrive]

Why not a Malkoff MD2? Bright as hell (275 OTF lumens), and simple to use. They can also be retrofitted with a low-high switch like your Fenix, if you want such.
expensive.

Where did that figure come from and is it for the M60? I thought it was tested to about 235 lumens at turn on? Do you get an extra 40 lumens by removing the glass lens??

 

[Chrontius]

The MD2 lacks a glass lens, which eats about 50 lumens in the M60 Surefire configuration. My recollection may be wrong, but I think that a bare M60 with no optical losses outside the TIR clocked in at 275.

Someone's got integrating sphere tests for these things.

Malkoff M60 -- 276 (when cold, at turn on) using 2X17500 Li-Ion. Host: NO BEZEL Solarforce L2 with +1 extension

It drops down to 245 when hot, though.
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=229135

 

[M@elstrom]

For an LED light I'd recommend you take a look at this Wolf Eyes 6A MC-Explorer. 580 lumens, single mode, runs on 1x18650 battery, and not much bigger than your TK11. You can find a review of the multi-level model here which includes a comparison against the P7 Sniper which you mentioned you were interested in.

That's a nice light output/form factor wise (in the second link)... based purely on the UI I'd have to recommend a Jetbeam JetIII-M R2 instead due to it's non tail scroll output control (should an improved flexibilty flashlight be desired - without the need to remember which mode you left the light in) :devil:

Firstly I would try and get your TK11 fixed.

+1 on getting the TK11 fixed too, reliability is everything! :thumbsup:


Oh and if the TK40 is a "Zombie Killer" what does that make a Multi-emitter modded Maglite? :thinking:

 

[Toaster]

That's a nice light output/form factor wise... pity it's not a single ON/OFF mode light, that's why I'd have to recommend a Jetbeam JetIII-M R2 instead (non tail scroll output control), 18650 form factor too! :devil:

Dunno how you came to that conclusion. Try reading the description of the light I specifically linked:

This model was a special order for our law enforcement customers and it's become so popular we decided to add it to our inventory



Simple 1-Mode High only!

 

[M@elstrom]

Dunno how you came to that conclusion. Try reading the description of the light I specifically linked:

You linked 2 lights...


I was recommending the JetIII-M in preference to the multimode Explorer version due to it's superior UI :thumbsup:

AS for the single mode Explorer variant 580Lm is hard to beat

 

[Toaster]

You linked 2 lights...

Try reading the actual post. I specifically stated the review was for the multi-level model while the light I recommended, linked, and described was the single mode.

Jet-III M while being a very nice light, doesn't offer anything over the TK11 the OP already has since he stated he doesn't care for multiple levels.

 

[M@elstrom]

Try reading the actual post. I specifically stated the review was for the multi-level model while the light I recommended, linked, and described was the single mode.

Jet-III M while being a very nice light, doesn't offer anything over the TK11 the OP already has since he stated he doesn't care for multiple levels.

I'm sorry... I didn't realize I wasn't permitted to comment on the second light you linked, to reduce the need for chest thumping I'll go back and edit my post :nana: