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A way to get them started w/ tools, ordered up a set of these for my two nephews @ $59 each here
The price shows here at $79 for some reason. It looks sort of like a Black and Decker clone using Porter Cable brushless drill guts.
It is possible that with slight modding you could use Porter Cable and Black and Decker batteries in it. I know that the battery connection for at least 4 lines of tools match up as I have a Stanley 20v Hammer Drill, Porter Cable 20v and Black and Decker 20v and with 20 seconds and a dremel I got the batteries to mostly work with each others drills and chargers. I believe Bostich 18V are almost identical too and only the front curved lip on the Black and Decker 20v batteries was an issue. The reason I was happy was for awhile I had mostly Black and Decker 20v stuff but over time I bought Porter Cable stuff for dirt cheap and have both. I use my P/C 20v batteries in my B/D yard tools especially the larger 4A battery which does wonders on saws and weedeaters and blowers.
 
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There's a $20 coupon right under the price, I had to place two separate orders, to get the deal twice.
..still, for the price it's a no-brainer for them.


them, meaning my nephews
 
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There's a $20 coupon right under the price, I had to place two separate orders, to get the deal twice.
..still, for the price it's a no-brainer for them.

Ahh..... the seecret!....... didn't see for some reason. I guess pages are getting so much garbage graphix and stuff on them lately you have to look for awhile to make sure they aren't booby trapped LOL.
If the drill IS essentially a Porter Cable brushless 20v clone and the batteries are at least 1.5A in reality it is a bargain I agree as the brushless 20v PC drill is about $99 I think? alone plus batteries are around $40 each it would cost probably close to $175 to get all that stuff

I just looked at the pictures (copied and enlarged) and the battery terminal system isn't compatible with BD/PC line. It doesn't look like it is compatible with any other platform as far as I can tell which is a slight bummer because unless they "clone" other tools then sooner or later this will be the odd man out but I've had an odd drill in my garage that I use on occasion as I am often very unforgiving with it and I paid $5 for a PC drill with good battery and it works even though the brushes are worn a lot still able to drill holes and put screws in and I don't worry about dunking it in water or oil or dropping it on concrete. It is sometimes good to have cheap tools to start with as they can be abused leaving your high quality expensive tools for more precision jobs.
 

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Not sure if this interests you but I looked up more on that tool line and they have 2 lines that use the same batteries/chargers and here is a 20v sawzall (brushless) that comes with a 4A battery and charger etc at around $90 with coupon
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08TZW9QXD/?tag=cpf0b6-20
They have other tools in the lineup but you have to search for popoman 20v to see them. A circular saw and grinder but neither seem to be brushless but for the price and normal use brushed tools can be more affordable. I've worn out a brushed 20v sawzall (porter cable) but I used it at work for several years and replaced it with another one I got second hand that works good.
Personally I would rather buy used Porter cable stuff then this stuff but I'm already invested in the line and also Dewalt now as I'm upgrading I need a lot more power than PC tools can manage and even though the cost is a huge amount more being able to use 5-8A batteries and have a brushless hammer drill and impact and sawzall (not available in PC/BD lineup) is a must.
I think the 4A sawzall setup may be decent but someone did complain about a broken blade holder that could be an anomaly instead of a concern however.

I think (hope) that competition will drive down prices of these higher end tools (Dewalt, Milwaukee, etc) and possibly weed out some of the growing in price bottom feeders. I know that Lowes used to have a complete display for both Porter Cable and Black and Decker tools but pushed out the BD 20v line not even the garden 20V BD tools exist in the stores now and the PC was delegated to an end cap and then vanished I guess. Craftsman tools in Lowes have replaced them I figure. I'm not really sure why we needed another line of top tier cordless tools but maybe Craftsman is priced better than the others as IMO some tools of DW and MW are nuts in their prices. The one thing that I'm not thrilled about is the insane markup of batteries for a lot of tools. $60 for a 2A battery when you can buy generic ones for under half that price. I've looked at prices of other tool batteries and unless they are using crummier cells they are milking their customers.
I have a generic 20v Porter Cable battery and it works well and after 2 years of hard use it is starting to fade a little from about 3-4 times the runtime to around 3 times I estimate. I paid $25 for it compared to $99 for an authentic battery if they only last half as long but do perform 90% as well they are a steal. I've seen reviews of generic batteries and some of them say that they may not quite perform as well but the cost is under half of what the best performers are.
I think 2A batteries are ideal for a regular drill or impact but strongly recommend at least a 4A for a sawzall but for light use a 3A will suffice.
 

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When your face has to be right next to your job, cordless-electric is the way to go!

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I just stopped by Lowe's today and they were clearing out all Porter Cable 20v stuff. The store clerk said they were getting a new product line of 24v tools called Flex? I told him the batteries would be larger and he argued with me and I said to get 24V you need 6 batteries, 20V only 5 of them. I could have picked up a recip saw or palm sander for half price ($29.95). As I am slowly buying Dewalt 20v tools and hope to go almost entirely to their line and get rid of all my B/D and PC 20v tools that I don't need I didn't buy one.... Oh they had 20v jigsaws and I have one of those too they were half price. I also stumbled on a "Hart" representative at Walmart that didn't seem to know as much about 20v tools as I did that had a display of tools in the Garden center of the store. I didn't see any special offers to entice people to try their tools though. I also had the Lowes guy tell me that Flex were supposed to compete with Milwaukee because the 24v makes them "better"? for a store that sells Kobalt 24V tools I didn't outright buy the idea. I am sort of shaking my head at Lowes bringing in Craftsman and then now this Flex tool thing if it is for real they toss out B/D and PC tools of which they only had an end cap left for PC and no BD tools at all (20v) even the 20v garden tools vanished.

Anyway look for Flex tools at lowes soon... I just read Chevron? is making them and that HD has exclusive MW agreement I guesss that is the reason Lowes is going to go with flex tools...... interesting.
It also looks like EGO is going to Lowes too HD dropped them..
Interesting Hart is made by the same company that makes Milwaukee, Flex are made in China also.
 
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I can really picture the guy at Lowe's with a confused look when you said the Flex would be a 6 cell pack. lol

Never could understand why Milwaukee & Hitachi (and others) are listed as 18V tools, when they are 5 cell config & show 20V from a multimeter.
..you would think they would want to max out the potential performance numbers

It would like a new car being listed at 200hp, when it can actually do 245hp on the dyno, yaknow
 

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I can really picture the guy at Lowe's with a confused look when you said the Flex would be a 6 cell pack. lol

Never could understand why Milwaukee & Hitachi (and others) are listed as 18V tools, when they are 5 cell config & show 20V from a multimeter.
..you would think they would want to max out the potential performance numbers

It would like a new car being listed at 200hp, when it can actually do 245hp on the dyno, yaknow

I told him why some are 18 and some 20v, it is simple the 20v are max at full charge 18v is nominal voltage. 4V/cell vs 3.6v/cell voltage. I think in the UK they require them to be rated nominal so all their dewalt stuff etc are advertised at 18v instead of 20v.
I've seen Bostich 18v chargers and batteries, they look identical to Porter Cable 20v stuff with the exception of labels.
Milwaukee is even more confusing with their 12v and 18v lines.... one is max and the other nominal as the 12v is 4v*3 the 18v is 3.6v*5.
they could have named them 10.8v and 20v and also be confusing....
 

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Never could understand why Milwaukee & Hitachi (and others) are listed as 18V tools, when they are 5 cell config & show 20V from a multimeter.
..you would think they would want to max out the potential performance numbers

Hot of the charger voltage a 5S li-ion pack would be closer to 21V (4.2V x 5). But nominal voltage will be 18V (3.6V x 5), which is what the battery will deliver under any meaningful load and also what you would use to determine watt-hour yield. Ergo li-ion tool batteries using a multiple of 4V per cell in series are a tad mis-labelled.

Or more or less as Lynx_Arc spelled it out.
 

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Hot of the charger voltage a 5S li-ion pack would be closer to 21V (4.2V x 5). But nominal voltage will be 18V (3.6V x 5), which is what the battery will deliver under any meaningful load and also what you would use to determine watt-hour yield. Ergo li-ion tool batteries using a multiple of 4V per cell in series are a tad mis-labelled.

Or more or less as Lynx_Arc spelled it out.

I've tested them after charging and most of the packs are a tad under 21V.... off the charger like 20.5 - 20.8 it varies a little bit.
Likely they charge closer to 4.1v than 4.2v perhaps on purpose.
 

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DeWalt lists 20V
Milwaukee lists 18V

..both use 5 cell config.

If you didn't know better & aren't battery geeks like us, chances are you would look toward the DeWalt because 20 is better than 18 'right'
Keep thinking of the movie SpinalTap with the amp at 11.

If I had a power tool company, I'd advertise 4.2V for every cell for sure = "wow the performance of the new 25V ________;)"
 
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DeWalt lists 20V
Milwaukee lists 18V

..both use 5 cell config.

If you didn't know better & aren't battery geeks like us, chances are you would look toward the DeWalt because 20 is better than 18 'right'
Keep thinking of the movie SpinalTap with the amp at 11.

If I had a power tool company, I'd advertise 4.2V for every cell for sure = "wow the performance of the new 25V ________;)"

LOL we got 21 volt batteries for our tools, Oh yeah we got 22 Volt Extra Max batteries !
I can just see some Ghetto cordless tools that strap Moped battery packs on them.... like the huge honkin boom boxes of the 70s.
 
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Yesterday I heard a whirring sound coming from down the street. I looked out and saw my neighbor vacuuming out his well cared for pickup truck with a 10 gallon shop vac. I thought of my little "dust buster" type cordless vac I recently bought figuring as well as he keeps his truck clean that would be all he needs to suck up the few leaves and bits of grit on the floor. I spruce up my vehicle in 5 minutes or less.
Instead he drags out a 100' cord and a machine that can suck the chrome off a trailer hitch getting all sweaty and then sets out to clean the floor of his truck.

Then it dawned on me, that's probably why he is so thin and I'm not.
 

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Yesterday I heard a whirring sound coming from down the street. I looked out and saw my neighbor vacuuming out his well cared for pickup truck with a 10 gallon shop vac. I thought of my little "dust buster" type cordless vac I recently bought figuring as well as he keeps his truck clean that would be all he needs to suck up the few leaves and bits of grit on the floor. I spruce up my vehicle in 5 minutes or less.
Instead he drags out a 100' cord and a machine that can suck the chrome off a trailer hitch getting all sweaty and then sets out to clean the floor of his truck.

Then it dawned on me, that's probably why he is so thin and I'm not.
I've used dustbusters and also have a compact vacuum and they do well with everything but piles of mud and gravel. When you work construction walking through mud several inches thick you really need more than a hand held vacuum can manage as they don't have the suction power nor the storage capacity. I played it smart and went to a coin operated car wash and paid about $2.50 to blast mud off my car and used their vacuums for free. I've found that using regular hose and water takes a lot longer and doesn't get into the deep spots as well due to pressure plus the car washes blast soapy water. I've looked at pressure washers and they are costly and few I've seen support soap blasting if you want to use it to soap up your car it resorts to the city's water pressure which you can do that buying a hose addon gadget.
 

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The price shows here at $79 for some reason. It looks sort of like a Black and Decker clone using Porter Cable brushless drill guts.
It is possible that with slight modding you could use Porter Cable and Black and Decker batteries in it. I know that the battery connection for at least 4 lines of tools match up as I have a Stanley 20v Hammer Drill, Porter Cable 20v and Black and Decker 20v and with 20 seconds and a dremel I got the batteries to mostly work with each others drills and chargers. I believe Bostich 18V are almost identical too and only the front curved lip on the Black and Decker 20v batteries was an issue. The reason I was happy was for awhile I had mostly Black and Decker 20v stuff but over time I bought Porter Cable stuff for dirt cheap and have both. I use my P/C 20v batteries in my B/D yard tools especially the larger 4A battery which does wonders on saws and weedeaters and blowers.


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Just now, that brushless drill kit was likely mistakenly listed with a huge coupon & reordered it for $32,, yes the entire brushless drill kit, 2 batteries, case, charger for $32.
Fairly sure A~Zon lost money on this typo:eek:
 

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Just now, that brushless drill kit was likely mistakenly listed with a huge coupon & reordered it for $32,, yes the entire brushless drill kit, 2 batteries, case, charger for $32.
Fairly sure A~Zon lost money on this typo:eek:
Likely so or they played the "oops" we ran out apology game and canceled orders or something of that sort.

I had a look yesterday at the new "FLEX" brand of 24v tools at Lowes and didn't really study them but I wasn't enthralled. With all the colors the other brands have they chose a dark grey color? The prices were not any different that I could tell from other tool lines although they do list features that I would have to study on a few like "turbo" mode on a drill? It is likely either these extra features will be "the bomb" or people will ignore them. The one "selling" point is 20% more power and runtime.... it is obvious if you have 5 cells in a pack and add a sixth cell you will have 20% more cells. They also say 25% more power but compared to what? Maybe the higher voltage means less power loss in heavy use I can see that I guess. The display was nowhere near as impressive but they did have the average tools all brushless which is nice as I've decided to not buy any more brushed tools if I can help it unless they are a bargain and I can resell them later for a nice profit. I don't think I saw a flashlight at all in the display and the oscillating tool had a sticker where the price should have been like they didn't know how much. The tools look nice for a very ugly color scheme that could easily get lost in the dirt or a pile of old stained lumber or in a dirty engine compartment I think that will be a drawback over the bright colors other tool companies use.
My initial opinion of them is...... eh. Maybe over time they will flush the line out and the extra features will be compared with other tool brands and cost/value will be discussed by people online that do that sort of stuff for a living so people don't have to get locked into a line of tools that for now doesn't yet "do it all". Maybe I missed it but.... still.. no flashlight?
But folks I really did not spend but about 5 minutes looking at the tools and didn't read everything and did pick up a few tools take my words with a grain of salt and if you are in Lowes and have time to waste track the FLEX tools down. I didn't find them at first they hid them on the back side of the Dewalt 20v tool aisle and the dark grey doesn't catch your eyes as you walk by you sort of think without looking they are just corded tools and there was an endcap also dark grey that I subconsciously ignored look out for that. I didn't look at the endcap at all I could have missed things in there as I wasn't really focusing on tools I was at Lowes for lumber at the time and fuses.
 
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Likely so or they played the "oops" we ran out apology game and canceled orders or something of that sort...

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Those [coupons] Amazon uses are fairly new & can be glitchy.
What I think happened; there was that big coupon in place, then they put that kit on a Lightning Deal & mistakenly left that coupon still active on the page.
Honestly, thought to myself seeing it in checkout, no way possible!!

My order went through. They have to honor it.

Looks like they fixed it.

Got Gifts :laughing:
 
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