Coronavirus

[bykfixer]

Even with the fast track approvals, and if they find something that works, it would be many months away.

One thing they are working on is the way the HIV virus attacks cells and how they have developed medication to in a word "halt" the virus from harming the human. Right now that is what folks in Hong Kong and other labs are theorizing now that they can replicate this new version of a virus that yes Dave also causes the common cold.

I have been geeking out on this thing for several days from dozens and dozens of sources not affilated with the alphabet news organizations. What works, what don't, what they know, what they don't. I wanted to know things like will I get sick, my neighbors, my kids, my dog? Can I get it from cats, bats or butterflies? How long will this bug be around? Why does it spread so easily? How to kill it?

I have learned that most of us will be just fine. Yet this is a virus that is brand new so nobody is immune yet. Fortunately it is not going to be fatal to the vast majority. But it a tough bug to kill without human assistance at times. Most viruses are fragile so they do not survive outside of a very narrow set of conditions. This one has expanded the boundries of those conditions, which is why it is spreading. If HIV for example could have spread through such broad conditions as the beer bug, the animals might have the entire planet to themselves minus pockets of humans. Luckily for us this virus is nowhere near as deadly as HIV once was. It still kills without treatment. That treatment (or a derivitive) may be what halts the beer bug.

By the end of the week over a million test kits will be available. Next week it is expected to triple. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 million masks will be available to hospitals in the next couple of weeks. Companies, schools and businesses are responding by adapting to online items where possible, drive through will be available at most burger joints and coffee sellers like Chic Fillet and Dunkin Donuts. Grocery stores are shortening hours to spend time cleaning and restocking shelves. This may get worse in some places. But other places may hardly skip a beat. At todays white house press conference the press was being cool, even patriotic all while practicing the reccomended social distancing. Our government is looking at ways to help out folks who are not allowed to work and my local Food Lion had lots of bottled water, toilet paper and fresh meats.

 

[jabe1]

NOT a badass cold or flu.
most of us have antibodies for cold and flu bugs. Most of us do not have antibodies for Coronaviruses, certainly not a novel type (Not before seen). We are all at some level of risk.
keep a level head, stay at home unless it’s necessary to go somewhere.
listen to the CDC, not all the yahoos out there.

 

[ven]

Yes agree jabe, this is serious and has to be taken so. For a start, flu has a mortality rate of 0.1%. this so far from what we know have had(emphasis on know) is around 1%. Figures will differ of course, many will not know, many will have mild symptoms.

Its a minority thats at ris of the worst case scenario, but the minority is still millions added up!!!

Stay safe. Take serious. Dont panic. Together we are strong! Unfortunately not literally.

 

[5S8Zh5]

paper towels

kitchen towels

i just filled three 5 gallon bottles at the dispensor right outside an albertson's (grocery store) and there was no line, no fuss, runs, errors.

was walking into a grocery store and a random guy walking out says out loud nothing there. i walked out with my purchases; couple cans of peeled tomatoes and paste (to make low carb ketchup), and a few tubs of guacamole for some avocado.

drove up to a smith's at 6am and a sign said we now open at 8am (seems more are opening later (walmart)) to stock / clean up after the zombies hordes. i arrive at 8am and there's a line so i said uh uh and went home. got online and created an account and made my purchase (a few cans of wild caught salmon) for pickup.

 

[StarHalo]

- The French are finding that anti-inflammatory painkillers (ibuprofen, aspirin, naproxen, cortisone) can aggravate COVID-19 infection and can create complications; if you believe you or a loved one could possibly have Coronavirus, stick to acetaminophen/Tylenol or paracetamol for fever reduction.

- A recent university study found Vitamin D supplementation significantly reduced the risk and severity of respiratory infection, not something that would normally be all that notable except COVID-19 is a respiratory infection; results were best with those who had a Vitamin D deficiency prior to supplementing, but nearly all participants saw some benefit. Details

Re: Shopping and prepping; Survivorman Les Stroud explains basic home food preparation for emergencies and quarantining:

 

[TomK85]

- The French are finding that anti-inflammatory painkillers (ibuprofen, aspirin, naproxen, cortisone) can aggravate COVID-19 infection and can create complications; if you believe you or a loved one could possibly have Coronavirus, stick to acetaminophen/Tylenol or paracetamol for fever reduction.

- A recent university study found Vitamin D supplementation significantly reduced the risk and severity of respiratory infection, not something that would normally be all that notable except COVID-19 is a respiratory infection; results were best with those who had a Vitamin D deficiency prior to supplementing, but nearly all participants saw some benefit. Details

Re: Shopping and prepping; Survivorman Les Stroud explains basic home food preparation for emergencies and quarantining:

Regarding the first: for now it’s not confirmed. And yes I read the article in the Lancet which was only talking about people with cardiac condition, hypertension and diabetes.

 

[bykfixer]

Back in 2003 a coworker came in the office one day saying he had a fever. It was flu season. Everybody said "get outta here, go home and stay home". He hung around that day all coughing and sneezing. A week later everybody else was sick. That dude was wiped out for two weeks. The rest of us stayed out for a day or two. I was down for one day but felt like crap for a few more. We called it "the 101.2 flu" because everybody who got it was running a temperature around 101.2. One guy died. He was the sort who smoked 100 cigarettes a day for 50 years and drank liquor like there was no tomorrow.

Most never went to a doctor because we knew to starve a cold, feed a fever and most important avoid contact with the elderly. We treated it like the flu. Duh. Unbeknownst to us it may have been that SARS thing. See back then it was on the news and all but there wasn't the death clock being updated every 15 minutes like it is with that one. We never got reported because we didn't go to the doctor. Statistically the SARS had a 10% death rate. But on a construction project in South Hill Va 100+ people got it, one Keith Richards wanna be died. It probably wasn't SARS but if it was or not did not matter. Because none of us paid attention to that kind of stuff.

By the way, in 2011 my pop got a conrona that causes a head cold and complications from it took him home to be with my mother. Post nasal drip caused his weakened lungs to develop a pnuemonia. Pnuemonia led to his weakened heart failing. So we call our elderly neighbors instead of visiting. In my home we are treating this thing just like we have always done in cold and flu season. We avoid crowded restaraunts every year at this time of year. Wipe down stuff with clorox wipes, keep a supply of rubbing alcohol and peroxide around and avoid touching our face as much as practical. If my face itches I scratch it with a nearby object. I use a shirt sleeve to grab door handles and if someone nearby sneezes I say "bless you" as I walk away from that person.

Instead of the usual hoe-hum eh, it's cold season, there's a pill for that attitude of modern day thinking, we just need to do what our ancestors did before anti biotics, vaccines and over the counter medicines and adopt common sense approaches when we do HAVE to mingle with the population. At least for the next few weeks. It was 4, then 8, then 16, then 32 and so on. Soon it will be 612, then 356, then 128 and so on just like it was in 2003 during the SARS thing. Just don't be that guy I worked with back then who single handedly directly or indirectly infected over 100 people by going out sick due to not understanding the importance of self quarentine during an outbreak of a new strain of the corona virus one year.

 

[ledbetter]

Thanks for the link to the very informative Dr.Campbell youtube video. Science not nonsense!

QUOTE=TomK85;5373852]Regarding the first: for now it’s not confirmed. And yes I read the article in the Lancet which was only talking about people with cardiac condition, hypertension and diabetes.[/QUOTE]

 

[Poppy]

StarHalo,
Thanks for the Les Stroud video.

Re: Shopping and prepping; Survivorman Les Stroud explains basic home food preparation for emergencies and quarantining:

The take-away for me was to create a menu for my four person party for a month and to shop for the stuff I don't have.

I considered that I have 5 lbs of flour that can be used to make bread. It takes about 3-4 cups of flour for each loaf. We are good for about 6-8 loaves. Never made it before so I looked up a recipe, and needed to pick up some yeast!

I plan to make up a menu, take inventory and make sure that I have sufficient complements to go with the meals, such as... enough sauce to go with each of the boxes of pasta.

 

[JimIslander]

I caught the Corona Virus a few years ago. Cost me about $2000 in flashlights. :thumbsup:

 

[Poppy]

Back in 2003 a coworker came in the office one day saying he had a fever. It was flu season. Everybody said "get outta here, go home and stay home". He hung around that day all coughing and sneezing. A week later everybody else was sick. .

Good story Mr Fixer :thumbsup:

 

[Chauncey Gardener]

6 am this morning at Albertsons's -

Paper products

Bread -

I asked the cashier when they expected the paper products to be restocked.

She said - "Tomorrow at 5am. Be here then or you won't get any."

 

[raggie33]

This is why I hate mustard

 

[ven]

Its ridiculous, this should be stopped and monitored by staff or if not enough(usual case this side of the pond). Then regulate at check out. Selfish self centred a55 holes. Some supermarkets are opening early for the older people, which i think is great. They are also limiting certain items.

Heck bread lasts 3 days or so, i know you can freeze it but come on for gods sake. Common sense is not common.

The elderly lady across the road is making me a list of stuff which i will be doing after work, we just need to work together. Its not hard, but darn the minority of fools that make it that way.

Stay safe.......apologies, rant over for now.

 

[bykfixer]

Here in the US some stores are creating "elderly hours" too. I got a lump in my throat when I heard that. Bravo!!

In a grocery store yesterday a fellow in front of me did his thing to check out. A worker halted me until she had wiped down everything that fellow had touched. That was pretty cool too.

I was scheduled to travel to a part of my state where there are 5 known cases to photograph a project. I postponed it just to be certain. As it turns out one of the cases is a fellow who had been part of a crew installing waterline near where I work everyday. His company quarentined his crew and all 3 other crews just in case.

Meanwhile in Germany studies show those infected are most contagious in the first few days. Those with mild symptoms tend to stop being contagious after around 5 days where those with serious symptoms as much as 10 days being contagious. Yet most still show positive in tests for a few weeks. Another good news is most build up antibodies within 48 hours. Question now is if a person can get it again. The jury is still out but it does not appear likely.

 

[Tachead]

Its ridiculous, this should be stopped and monitored by staff or if not enough(usual case this side of the pond). Then regulate at check out. Selfish self centred a55 holes. Some supermarkets are opening early for the older people, which i think is great. They are also limiting certain items.

Heck bread lasts 3 days or so, i know you can freeze it but come on for gods sake. Common sense is not common.

The elderly lady across the road is making me a list of stuff which i will be doing after work, we just need to work together. Its not hard, but darn the minority of fools that make it that way.

Stay safe.......apologies, rant over for now.

Yep, completely ridiculous and I agree. Especially since most of the TP and tissue is made in country(in the US & Canada at least). Not to mention TP is not even essential and there are far more essential commodities if things get really bad lol. All they are doing is hurting other people who aren't panicky idiots. Its good to see stores starting to limit purchases at least.

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[ven]

Great stuff, we should certainly prioritise with the elderly and most at risk.

This is worth a watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgc_K2x-GKA

Some good info in here.

 

[StarHalo]

What is a fever?

 

[Chauncey Gardener]

I ended up accompanying my mother to the commissary at JMLM (formally McChord AFB) today. We were greeted by two MP's (military police) who asked us if we had a fever, cough, were feeling sick or had been in contact with anyone that was. After we answered, "No." we were allowed inside. There were three more MP's standing guard at the only allowed exit door making sure no one entered the building via it.

I thought sure there'd be some toilet paper. No way the US Air Force and Army would allow their people to do without.

 

[StarHalo]

I thought sure there'd be some toilet paper. No way the US Air Force and Army would allow their people to do without.

Wal-Mart restocks their tp in the morning at open.