Cree Q2, 3.7v, 350ma?

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I've got a Q2 hooked up to an old current- and voltage-regulated rack-mount power supply. My understanding from Cree's datasheet, based on the Electrical Characteristics graph at the top of page 7, is that the LED should consume about 1000ma at about 3.7v. The problem is, when I set the power supply to limit the voltage to 3.7v, it only consumes about 350ma, regardless of how high I set the power supply's amperage limit. I've verified that the 3.7v/350ma figure is accurate with a couple of multimeters.

In order to get the full 1000ma out of it, should I just increase the voltage until it starts using 1000ma? Or is that likely to ruin the LED? If that's the case, does that mean that this particular Q2 won't ever be able to reach anywhere near 1000ma?

Apologies for my ignorance, I'm quite new to working with LEDs...
 
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The current pulled by an LED varies with the voltage. If it's running at a particular voltage and current, a change in one will mean a change in the other. If your particular emitter is doing 350mA at 3.7V, then you'll have to increase the supply voltage in order to increase the current (assuming your current control is wide open). Be careful, as small changes in voltage can result in large changes in current. Alternatively, you can open up the voltage and just mess with the current. You'll notice, as you vary the current, that the voltage will change as well. Don't exceed 1-1.5A, especially if it's not properly heatsinked. If it's just suspended in air, I wouldn't recommend trying currents of more than even 100mA.

Bottom line: 350mA is kind of low for 3.7V in this type of emitter, but if you want more current, you'll need more voltage as well.
 
Wow, speedy answer, thanks. I inched up the voltage bit by bit until it hit 1100ma, and ended up at 4.4v. I assume that's not a good idea for long-term, but I was just running it a few seconds to see how bright it would get. It was bright enough that I couldn't read the multimeter when I looked back at it, heh.

Thanks again.
 
I have a light that can run 9 or 11 Q2s. It's not charged enough at the moment to run at the full 350mA with all 11, but with 9 it can go up to 1.2A. I dialed it to 0.35A, and got a voltage drop across all 9 LEDs of 28.4V. 28.4V/9=3.16V (approximately). So, I'm getting an average of under 3.2V for 350mA, while yours needs 3.7V. I think the most likely answer is a really poor Vf bin for that DX light. Remember, the "Q2," "Q4," and so on only describes the flux (overall outupt) at 350mA. An emitter's full bin code has a lot more data in it than just flux.

On the bright side (ha ha), that emitter is a good candidate for DD (direct drive, meaning no regulator circuit) off a single Li-Ion. They start at 4.2V max, and end up at about 3.5V. A low-value resistor plus some reasonable heatsinking, and you'd be set.
 
On the bright side (ha ha), that emitter is a good candidate for DD (direct drive, meaning no regulator circuit) off a single Li-Ion. They start at 4.2V max, and end up at about 3.5V. A low-value resistor plus some reasonable heatsinking, and you'd be set.
As it turns out, the light it came from is DD; there's a 1 ohm resistor in line with the emitter, and just a switch in the tail (with another resistor for low mode). I'm using an 18650 that's currently at 4.05v, and it seems to draw 600ma that way.
Its very high. Are you measuring the voltage at the LED? You might have some drop in the leads.
Not quite at the LED, but the leads are short and firmly connected.
 
I was told to attach wires to the LED being tested in a "K" shaped fashion (thanks evan9162). What I mean by that is have a pair of power leads go to the emitter from the power supply (and soldered to the emitter or star), then have a second pair of wires attached as closely to the emitter or star as possible to reduce voltage drop (caused by current being passed through a wire -ohms law). Hook your multimeter to the pair of wires that are not attached to the power supply. Just like the K-shape, the node is as close to your emitter as possible.

With this set up, you will have a very accurate forward voltage reading that will not get skewed from having a voltage drop in the wires carrying current. If you have a power supply that can go in to a true constant current mode (CC), then you can use thin wires between the power supply and the LED, since voltage drop in the long, thin wires will never be measures by the multimeter if you are using the above configuration. In CC mode, the power supply will output the same current, regardless of voltage. Therefore, it does not care about the 0.5V (for example) voltage drop in the series attached power leads. The multimeter will never measure this voltage drop.

Do not be too critical of your setup if your LED emitter has a Vf of 3.7V at 350mA. Oh, and datasheets show a very approximate value of Vf, so trust your actual measurements of your particular emitter, and sort of ignore the datasheets. Every LED emitter is different in its own way! I have some LEDs around that has a nice, low Vf of 3.07V at 350mA, lots of LEDs that show 3.2V to 3.3V at 350mA, and a couple of oddballs that show 3.5V to 3.7V at 350mA! For most of my LEDs, it is expected because I know their forward voltage bin code. Only older LEDs and Crees that I have do not have such bin, so I have to go by my measurements. It is too bad that the first LED that you tested for Vf has such a high forward voltage! It is also too bad that Cree does not bin their LEDs for Vf like Seoul and Lumileds. That is the nature of the Cree/DX lottery :whistle:. If you can, try another emitter.

+1 on what TigerhawkT3 said. Your LED still has a good use: for DD flashlight configurations with li-ion cells. Your Q2's forward voltage range nearly matches that of the voltage range of a li-ion cell throughout its life!

Finally, do not fear that your LED will fail at 1.1A. As long as you have it attached to a large heatsink of some sort (maybe with a thin layer of thermal paste), then you will be fine. The XR-E emitters, like the Luxeon K2, can handle currents up to 2A as long as it does not get dangerously hot. 1.5A is the maximum recommended current for extended periods of time. The company gives a max of 1A, which is a good maximum for flashlights with some decent heatsinking. 700mA is a good current for decent efficiency and great brightness. At this current, your flashlight will start to get pretty warm. 350mA is the rated current for when the color and forward voltage (as well as luminous flux) is exactly what the bin codes state. Oh, and the maximum efficiency of most power LEDs sit at the 50mA to 350mA range (usually where the efficiency curve is relatively flat and at its peak). I hope that is helpful. The above currents are approximate, depending on the Vf of your LED. A LED with a higher Vf will have a lower efficiency since it is running at a higher power. This means that the LED may run a little warmer than the average emitter.

Well, good luck with the testing! Please check your setup, and give us some more Vf ratings of your LEDs. It is informative to hear forward voltage ratings of LEDs like the XR-E where many of us purchase them (DX). It is a good heads up. :grin2:

-Tony
 
Ahh, I am stupid... I was measuring from the spring which would normally touch the battery, which goes through the resistor. Measuring directly on the emitter's star I get 3.54v at 1008ma, 3.17v at 350ma, and 3.62v at 1800ma. Are these more normal values for a Q2?
 
Much better. If you recall, the average for nine of mine was around 3.16V, which makes your 3.17V sound pretty much bang on target.

A bit off-topic, but this is the second time that my making an assumption has caused me to neglect the obvious (to me). I'll try to be more attentive to this sort of this in the future. :eek:
 
Ahh, I am stupid... I was measuring from the spring which would normally touch the battery, which goes through the resistor. Measuring directly on the emitter's star I get 3.54v at 1008ma, 3.17v at 350ma, and 3.62v at 1800ma. Are these more normal values for a Q2?

That's more like it. You had me worried for a while; I was questioning the quality of these LEDs.
 
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