Customer Service Rant

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MikeSalt

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If any of you were around last year, you got to witness this customer service rant...

Surefire E1e - broken lens and tailcap

Well, this time, I have got something even worse. I had a Nitrolon G2 which blew its P60 lamp assembly half-way through its second set of cells. It was never dropped, and the cells were genuine Surefire (compensation from the last incident).

I emailed Surefire asking for advice as to whether it was normal for a brand new flashlight to fail so prematurely. The response on the 5th August 2008 was that this was not normal, and that I should send my mailing address and contact phone number, and a new P60 assembly should be sent out to me, which I did immediately. So far so good.

I left it for a while, but after nearly two months, I decided to chase it up. On 26th September, I received an email saying that a replacement part order had been sent out, and should ship shortly. No word of apology or any explanation why it was not sent out in the first place, but I thought I would not take it any further.

It is now the 20th October, 2 months and 15 days since the initial email from Surefire, and for 2 month and 20 days I have been unable to use this product (I am loathed to buy a replacement part that should not yet have failed).

The flashlight was purchased in May this year, so out of 5 months of ownership, I have only had use of the flashlight for half of that. 100% of my Surefire lights have failed within a year of ownership, making them the most unreliable brand that I own. I am very disappointed.:confused:

On a happier note, the E1e has performed flawlessly since the problem was rectified by Surefire. It is a really useful little light - particularly with the AW cell and LF bulb.:D
 
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Sounds like good reason to rant. How difficult is it to put a lamp in a box and slap on a stamp? I've never purchased Surefire even though so many on CPF swear by them. Nearly all of my lights are Inova, Pelican, and Streamlight. One of the reasons that attracted me to these brands was their overwhelming reputation for warranty service.

You let quite a bit of time elapse before contacting Surefire again, perhaps they're like many companies who respond faster to "the squeaky wheel". I hope your problem is resolved soon.
 
As Surefire have a good network of authorised dealers in the USA, they could/should have a system for just notifying a local dealer of your choice, you present some photo ID, then you can collect the replacement part from the dealer.

Just a thought.
 
my experience of surefire's replacement parts its like getting a green card to get into the states...you always get refused the first time and no refund of what you paid:green:

to get a new A2 tailcap took 3 months, with countless follow ups via email
to get a new Z57...still waiting since July
to get a new M6 tailcap Oring....still waiting since July

I'm not going to make the effort of doing any more followups...either call or email, the next time I have to fly to CA I'll head over with a list of parts and stand in front of the service department of their HQ and wait to be served, person to person :scowl:
 
And on the fourth day, when everyone was tired of bad customer service, God created Gene Malkoff. :devil:

Really, no matter how great everyone says Surefire customer service is, it still pays to have a spare part or two.


I have a couple P60 lamps (and a couple P60L) lying around and will send you two, or one of each if you keep us updated on the status of this.

I love my E1E with LF and AW. It's a light that makes me smile when I use it.
 
I'm not trying to stir things up, I just don't understand the rant. Surefires warranty covers everything but lamp assemblies and batteries, sure yours ended life primaturely, and they are replaceing it (slowly, none the less), but I don't understand not using the light, just purchase a replacement yourself, then when you get the one from Surefire that will be a backup. It sounds like your not happy with Surfires, so this light sounds like it would be good trade bait on the Market Place to get something that you would be happier with.

Chuck
 
Did you consider contacting the retailer you purchased the G2 from and seeing whether they could replace the P60 for you?
Or if it was purchased in the UK then you could contact the UK Distributor - Edgar Brothers.

If you didn't have a spare lamp, and you've gone without using it for over two months then what is another month, or two longer wait? I mean I don't get the impression of a sense of urgency or importance (value) on having a working G2.
There are several SureFire retailers in the UK that could ship you a P60 next day as standard if you really needed the G2 to be operational.

I believe your point is that SureFire should be treating you, the customer, better. I wonder how many times you'll end being treated like you have been by SureFire?

Al
 
sorry to hear about your lamp. i have also heard of others outside the US that have had customer service problems with SF.
i had an issue with one of my lights and SF took care of it including shipping.
i gotta lean towards the point that size15 made.... it does'nt sound like there is a big sense of urgency on your part.
also, from time to time i have a light down for whatever reason but i have others to take it's place.
take size15's advise and try one of your local dealers.
 
I have not yet used Surefires customer service, but I always thought it was supposed to be top-notch.

I've got a C2, G2 and an E2D.

The C2 and G2 have been with me for at least 5 years, with no issues whatsoever. The C2 has been a carry light for a long time, and has since been upgraded with an LED drop in.

I guess there will always be a dud or two though. Sorry to hear about your bad experiences! They should have made it right immediately.
 
I have used the CS department twice. Fast shipping of new parts both times I called. I must mention however that any E-mail I sent was 100% ignored.

I hope you have better service in the future.
 
Haven't used CS for SF in a long time, but they did fix something I broke, and told them I broke, and sent free batteries with the replacement. This was three ago though, and lot can change in that time. Heck. One new manager and CS can change overnight!
 
I have had a couple of problems with Surefires shortly after purchase....

But as far as the customer service goes....I have never been let down, I always get my parts (even ones I admit I abused and broke) in very short order....

Maybe its due to the fact I am here within a few hours drive of them??? They know from the addy and the fact I am a truck driver and in their area alot (from conversations) Ill come in there and rip them a new one???
Does anyone else know what a pain in the a$$ it is to get a 65' foot tractor trailer in there.

I dunno......

I am sorry your replacement is taking sooooo long but I will admit the e-mail system for them sux.... In the future prevent your headache to begin with and call!!!
 
Bought a C2 right before price increase. There was a scrap of aluminum wedged inside of the tailcap, momentary on did not work. I got a little carried away and pulled the tailcap apart trying to get it out. In other words "I BROKE IT!!!". I called SF customer service, who put me in touch with a tech, whom I told exactly what happened. They sent me another tailcap. Black tailcap, mine was HA. Called back, they sent me HA tailcap, no hassle! Took about 2 and a half weeks total. I am completely satisfied with that. Spare tailcap, and used the one "I SCREWED UP" As a host for my first McC2S. Surefire has definitely won a fan here!
 
Surefire "top notch" customer service is great... if you live in United States, and only contact them via phone. Period.

:thumbsdow

Outstanding lights, with superb quality, but I have 3 or 4 friends here in my country that just abandoned Surefire, due to the long months of wait for a simple replacement. Good for Fenix, Dereelight, Lumapower...

THIS SUCKS!

I mean... we´re talking about a 150 dollars + light, huh?

Mike... it looks like you´re with bad luck.
My advice: change your brand name.
Go to Fenix, or Dereeligth, or Nitecore (all top notch lights).

Sometimes I wonder... Surefire should pay someone to be in CPF, daily. Someone to make friendship, to be the point of contact between Surefire and the rest of the world, providing excellent customer service.
Example: Surefire should have a 4Sevens (David) or a MattK here too... Good guys, good friendship, people who know how to provide top notch customer service.

Just an advice...
 
+1 on calling SF instead of e-mailing. I e-mailed them once and never received a reply or any other follow up. But when I called I was taken care of immediately.

I suspect that they have only a few customer service folks and are probably overloaded with requests daily, without much time to clear a backlog of e-mails.

Sorry to hear of your bad luck but don't give up on them yet!
 
Sometimes I wonder... Surefire should pay someone to be in CPF, daily. Someone to make friendship, to be the point of contact between Surefire and the rest of the world, providing excellent customer service.
Example: Surefire should have a 4Sevens (David) or a MattK here too... Good guys, good friendship, people who know how to provide top notch customer service.

Just an advice...
SureFire has experimented with this approach to CPF in the past. It didn't prove to work. Even after several attempts. It appears that SureFire just don't consider it an effective use of their resources - perhaps given the high maintenance and low return providing such a service to CPF members seems to be.
They don't seem to have the same issues communicating with other groups of people online.
It's sad given the amount of 'air time' SureFire gets here we seem to make it so difficult and unwelcoming for SureFire employees to join us (be that formally or informally)

Al
 
It's sad given the amount of 'air time' SureFire gets here we seem to make it so difficult and unwelcoming for SureFire employees to join us (be that formally or informally)

Al

Care to explain that? I don't understand you.

I have no idea how CPF'ers have made this place unwelcome to any employee of Surefire.
:confused:
 
Care to explain that? I don't understand you.

I have no idea how CPF'ers have made this place unwelcome to any employee of Surefire.
:confused:
One would have to search back through the posts and threads from years ago to find the instances to which I refer.
But even without that experience if you were a manager at SureFire would you burden one of your employees with the responsiblity of representing SureFire here on CPF?

Perhaps talking to SureFire employees at exhibitions such at SHOT Show is a good way to determine whether they feel welcome on CPF?
 
Does anyone else know what a pain in the a$$ it is to get a 65' foot tractor trailer in there.

Looking in Google Earth, it seems they have a set of shipping docks, so you might get away with parking there for a little while. There is also something that MIGHT be a guard shack, so keep that in mind -- it really isn't a lot of fun trying to back away from a guard shack because some !@#$ pipsqueak security employee thinks they run the whole show! :scowl:

Here's what I drive, BTW...

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