Dereelight C2H Review: Pics, Comparisons, Beamshots, Runtimes, and more!

csshih

Flashlight Enthusiast
Joined
Sep 21, 2008
Messages
3,950
Location
San Jose, CA
Hi Everyone,

Up for review is the Dereelight C2H with the Extension tube that is now available. This light was provided by Dereelight for review.


Here are some of the specs from Dereelight:


  • Battery type 1xCR123A or 1xRCR123; 1xAA, 1x14500 with extension tube
  • Mil-Spec HA III finish in dark gray
  • Forward clicky
  • Dimensions: 82mm(Length)x 23mm(Head)
  • Accessories: Extra O-ring, Lanyard.
  • Low(0.8%,1.8 lumens)--> Medium(15%,35 lumens)-->High(100%, 220 lumens).
  • Input range: 0.9~4.2V


A bit of background:
I can't find much information on when the C2H was released, as it's upgradeable form has been used for a while, but the 1xAA extension was first announced on Sept 21, according to Dereelight's website. Here's the dealer thread over at the marketplace at candlepowerforums: http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/showthread.php?t=201193
This light can be purchased from FlashlightConnection:

Well, not much else to say, forward we go.
here is the light:


IMG_0366_processed.JPG


IMG_0367_processed.JPG

the C2h comes packaged in a nice gift box, with a lanyard, instruction manual, and orings. you can purchase another reflector seperately, and an extension tube for 14500s/AAs. dereelight included both for review

IMG_0368_processed.JPG



IMG_0369_processed.JPG

in CR123A form

IMG_0370_processed.JPG

in AA/14500 form

IMG_0377_processed.JPG

rear view showing the GID clicky. it isn't the best glowing clicky around

IMG_0533_processed.JPG


IMG_0536_processed.JPG

Really sorry about that blurry picture there.. I forgot to check this picture when I took it.
It should still show you the parts of the light, though.

IMG_0538_processed.JPG


IMG_0539_processed.JPG


IMG_0540_processed.JPG

closeup of the head, showing the cree XR-E R2 emitter with the smooth reflector installed

IMG_0541_processed.JPG

closeup of the wire clip -- it appears to have been heat treated and coated

Comparisons:
IMG_0626_processed.JPG

IMG_0628_processed.JPG


IMG_0645_processed.JPG


White Wall Shots:
ugh JPEG compression.. ignore the odd colors.. I need a new resizing program.
left is slower shutter speed, right is faster for more beam detail.
IMG_0650_processed.JPG
IMG_0651_processed.JPG

IMG_0652_processed.JPG
IMG_0653_processed.JPG

IMG_0654_processed.JPG
IMG_0655_processed.JPG

IMG_0656_processed.JPG
IMG_0657_processed.JPG

IMG_0658_processed.JPG
IMG_0659_processed.JPG

IMG_0660_processed.JPG
IMG_0661_processed.JPG


Comparison Beamshots:

C2H is on 14500 Liion in these shots.
IMG_0664_processed.JPG

IMG_0666_processed.JPG

IMG_0668_processed.JPG

http://www.lumensreview.com/upload/files/393_hh37h/IMG_0670_processed.JPG[/img

[B][U]Outdoor Beamshots[/U][/B]:
Dereelight C2H w/extender tube SMO [COLOR=red][B]1x14500[/B][/COLOR]
[IMG]http://www.lumensreview.com/upload/files/260_tavfe/IMG_0413_processed-400.jpg
IMG_0414_processed-400.jpg

IMG_0415_processed-400.jpg
IMG_0416_processed-400.jpg


Runtime:
SS-2009.11.05-20.11.11.png

runtime on a single standard AA battery is relatively flat after the initial drop in output. at the end, the light is flashing,

SS-2009.11.09-20.22.57.png

I woulld suspect the drop is due to heat generated by the light.. I use a fan for cooling, but i suspect it wasn't enough. (the battery protection circuit tripped on this light)
I apologize. I don't have any AW 123s or 14500s.

Impressions
The Dereelight C2H has long been regarded one of the highest quality pocket rockets one can purchase, and Dereelight decided to make their offering even more versatile with the release of an extension tube for converting the light into 1xAA/14500 format. the light is small, lightweight, and easy to grip due to the banding near the base of the head. A problem I have with the light is that the clicky is rather hard to activate, combined with the fact that it is slightly recessed for tailstanding makes for a pretty hard to activate light. on the bright side, you won't be accidentally turning this light on very often. Dereelight cut out an indent on the back to try to make it easier to activate the light.


One of the other benefits to using the c2h is their use of current based regulation for brightness regulation (as opposed to voltage(PWM) regulation). This results in a completely flicker-free output, which is easier on the eyes during long term use (e.g. reading). The only problem with this type of regulation would be on low and medium modes: there is a noticeable bluer hue to the light output.
Edit: I'm wrong, it uses PWM at 38 KHz...extremely extremely high!! no flicker can be detected at this rate, which is still easier on the eyes. there is still that blue hue at lower modes, though. hmm..

Dereelight uses the low-> medium -> high UI.. very simple and easy to use with mode memory without the strobe and sos modes some people find annyoing: the last output the light was turned off in will be the output you get when you turn it on later.

As for the output, I can consider this a "pocket" rocket: A surprisingly blindingly bright pocket light with some serious throw for this size of a light. This light is great for EDC, with its small form factor and wire clip. With it's low runtime on high, it's better to run the light on medium and low more often -- there's not too much reason to be using a EDC on modes this high-- that's when you bring out the big lights ;) Personally, I love their use of wire clips due to their discreet profile. Another great offering from dereelight, quality shows again in their product.



As of 11/11/09: the price of this light is roughly 53$

 
Last edited:
A few comments:
Dereelight not only released the extension tube, they also released a new pill for the light, the old C2H was a 4 brightness light.

The high brightness from LiIon is because the light goes into direct drive.

And I believe that the light uses pwm regulation, but at a extreme high frequency.
 
And I believe that the light uses pwm regulation, but at a extreme high frequency.

really? I hope someone else chimes in on this.
The tint shift seems more noticeable on current regulated lights as far as I've seen, and the c2h exhibits this character.

Then again, I could be wrong.

Thanks for the other info!!
 
really? I hope someone else chimes in on this.
The tint shift seems more noticeable on current regulated lights as far as I've seen, and the c2h exhibits this character.

Then again, I could be wrong.

There are two reasons that I can say it is pwm:

1) The convert is a boost converter, this implies that it must use pwm to regulate the light on LiIon (I wrote a bit about that here).

2) I used a light sensor to measure the light (I am also working on a review) and could see the pwm with that sensor. But you are never going to catch it by waving the light around or using it on a fan, it is way to fast for that.
 
Ahh -- well you're the expert :)
I'll change my review when I have access to a pc again after 1 last confirmation with dereelight!

Thanks for all the help.
 
Craig, another great review! :twothumbs Yes, it does seem like it uses current-based regulation, but it is in fact PWM. The PWM rate is an ultra-high 38 KHz to eliminate that annoying PWM strobing affect that many lights have on the low level.

As you mentioned, the slight drop in output on your runtime graph is from the heat. This light is driven very hard, as you noticed in the throw department. :D The curve follows the normal junction temp curve for the Cree XR-E. :)

Thanks for a nice review! :D
 
Last edited:
A few comments:
Dereelight not only released the extension tube, they also released a new pill for the light, the old C2H was a 4 brightness light.

The high brightness from LiIon is because the light goes into direct drive.

And I believe that the light uses pwm regulation, but at a extreme high frequency.

Yes, it's a new driver circuit so it can use a single AA as well as CR123/RCR123/14500 batteries. It can also handle 2 x AA and 3 x AA batteries. The C2H head can be used with the body of Dereelight's new Javelin flashlight (and vice-versa).

It doesn't go into direct drive with a Li-Ion.. the high brightness is because the LED is driven at a constant 1.0 amp rate with a Li-Ion. :faint:

Yep, PWM... at 38 KHz. :)
 
Thanks for the interesting review csshih. :)

I am currently using this light as my EDC with an AW RCR123 but at high level it becomes really too hot too quickly.

I placed it tailstanding on my desk and monitored the temp without any cooling: it has gone up from 20°C to 42°C in 5 minutes and the light shut down by itself after 10 minutes with a head temp of 48°C
 
Thanks for clearing that up!!

Indeed the light gets hot from the high drive current. Hands are great heatsinks :D
 
It doesn't go into direct drive with a Li-Ion.. the high brightness is because the LED is driven at a constant 1.0 amp rate with a Li-Ion. :faint:

Then my version of the C2H has a special driver, because this current draw/light output definitly look like direct drive above 3.7 volt, but a small LiIon will probably not stay above 3.7 volt for long with this current draw, and then you have a nice very flat regulation.

DereelightC2HCurrentLux.png


Note: The lumen value is a guess from comparison to other lights.
 
Last edited:
Great review and a very nice light.
I really love the design and the perfect finish of the C2H.

...because this current draw/light output definitly look like direct drive above 3.7 volt, but a small LiIon will probably not stay above 3.7 volt for long with this current draw, and then you have a nice very flat regulation.
According to my runtime charts, this would be my observation as well.
Though I have no idea at which voltage the regulation hits in.:shrug:

Said runtime charts (C2H vs. Quark tac) and some pictures can be found in my
Photobucket C2H folder:

http://s671.photobucket.com/albums/vv76/_Thomas/Dereelight C2H Review/
 
The high brightness from LiIon is because the light goes into direct drive.

Then my version of the C2H has a special driver, because this current draw/light output definitly look like direct drive above 3.7 volt, but a small LiIon will probably not stay above 3.7 volt for long with this current draw, and then you have a nice very flat regulation.

Ahh... above 3.7V. I thought you were saying that the C2H with a Li-Ion is only direct drive, but now I see that you were talking about the very brief period at the start of the runtime graph. :) That's what I get for replying so late at night. :eek:
 
Last edited:
According to my runtime charts, this would be my observation as well.
Though I have no idea at which voltage the regulation hits in.:shrug:

I'm not sure either, but I think it's probably close to 3.7 or 3.8 because I can run the pill on three Eneloop AA's and get more brightness. Three Eneloops under load at this current draw should be about 3.9V (I'm guessing...)
 
Ahh... above 3.7V. I thought you were saying that the C2H with a Li-Ion is only direct drive, but now I see that you were talking about the very brief period at the start of the runtime graph. :) That's what I get for replying so late at night. :eek:

I apologize for not writing it clear enough, I do definitely miss the word "initial" before brightness.:whistle:

I'm not sure either, but I think it's probably close to 3.7 or 3.8 because I can run the pill on three Eneloop AA's and get more brightness. Three Eneloops under load at this current draw should be about 3.9V (I'm guessing...)

This is usual very emitter depend, on my light it is around 3.7 volt, but it will probably vary with a few tenths of a volt between emitters.
 
thanks for the review,
the possibility to upgrade those dereelight's makes them clever tools.
 
This is usual very emitter depend, on my light it is around 3.7 volt, but it will probably vary with a few tenths of a volt between emitters.

I assume that's from the LED Vf?

thanks for the review,
the possibility to upgrade those dereelight's makes them clever tools.

Yea! I'm also pretty interested in the new Javelin they released, which allows for more AAs and is also compatible with the C2H
 
Top