Dereelight Javelin

[Trancersteve]

Hi

I am looking to buy the Javelin but need some help with the many configuration options it can be bought in.

Firstly I own a Solarforce L2R (2xAA) with Solarforce R2 drop in, it throws quite well but you know how it goes; I want more! Will there be an increase in power and throw of Javelin? Is it a worthwhile next light for me coming from my current Solarforce light?

I will be wanting the extender for 3xAA cells for max output but I have to admit I am a little confused about the range of options.

Am I correct in thinking that the $28 host which is on sale on the Dereelight site includes everything apart from the emitter?

I want throw and power but this is where I can't make up my mind on what emitter (pill?) to buy.

Javelin XP-G R5 (SMO) $62

Javelin XP-G R5-1S (SMO) $58 Javelin XP-E Q5 5C (SMO) $59 Javelin XP-E Q5 5C-1S (SMO)- $56

What does the 5C and 1S mean? Is it the tint?

It looks like if I wanted the XR-E R2 I would need to buy the Javelin host and buy the emitter separately? But what emitter would I need? There are a couple of different XR-E R2 emitters on the dereelight drop-in page.

I have read that the XR-E R2 throws further than the XP-G R5.. but I can't make up my mind between the two. I already own the Solarforce L2R with an XR-E R2, but it has an OP reflector instead of the Javelins SMO reflector, so the SMO of the javelin should give more throw?

Help.. 😱 My head is going to explode.

Thanks 🙂

 

[red02]

Hi

I am looking to buy the Javelin but need some help with the many configuration options it can be bought in.

Firstly I own a Solarforce L2R (2xAA) with Solarforce R2 drop in, it throws quite well but you know how it goes; I want more! Will there be an increase in power and throw of Javelin? Is it a worthwhile next light for me coming from my current Solarforce light?

I will be wanting the extender for 3xAA cells for max output but I have to admit I am a little confused about the range of options.

Am I correct in thinking that the $28 host which is on sale on the Dereelight site includes everything apart from the emitter?

The 28 covers the 2xAA body and head with the lens. I think you still need to shell out an extra few dollars for the AA extender.

I want throw and power but this is where I can't make up my mind on what emitter (pill?) to buy.

Javelin XP-G R5 (SMO) $62

Javelin XP-G R5-1S (SMO) $58 Javelin XP-E Q5 5C (SMO) $59 Javelin XP-E Q5 5C-1S (SMO)- $56

XPG will give the most overall light, the XPE will throw better but your best bet is the XRE R2.

What does the 5C and 1S mean? Is it the tint?

You got it.

It looks like if I wanted the XR-E R2 I would need to buy the Javelin host and buy the emitter separately? But what emitter would I need? There are a couple of different XR-E R2 emitters on the dereelight drop-in page.

You need an XRE module with a boost-buck driver rated from 0.9 to 4.2v. IIRC dereelight does not list their Javelin-compatible modules on their site, but they are available upon request through email.

I have read that the XR-E R2 throws further than the XP-G R5.. but I can't make up my mind between the two. I already own the Solarforce L2R with an XR-E R2, but it has an OP reflector instead of the Javelins SMO reflector, so the SMO of the javelin should give more throw?

You might not have to buy a seperate module. Just get buy a Javelin SMO reflector for about 5 and it should fit the solarforce module.

Check out the Javelin thread in the Marketplace. Lots of discussion and stats for both XRE and XPG models.

 

[Trancersteve]

mistake

 

[Trancersteve]

Thanks Red02 for the reply, I think I am getting there with understanding this.

You need an XRE module with a boost-buck driver rated from 0.9 to 4.2v. IIRC dereelight does not list their Javelin-compatible modules on their site, but they are available upon request through email.

I must say it is very confusing and slightly annoying that dereelight do not offer the Javelin with a XRE R2 option to click and buy.

So if I read you correctly dereelight does not list any modules that are AA friendly? Which makes sense thinking about it as all the modules listed are rated at 2.8V or over.. which doesn't add up to the voltage of 2xAA cells.

You might not have to buy a seperate module. Just get buy a Javelin SMO reflector for about 5 and it should fit the solarforce module.

This could be an option but I am not sure how well made these Solarforce R2 pills are, I have two of them and both are quite different.. one has a tighter spot than the other. So I kinda question the quality of Solarforce in this instance and would probably prefer to buy a Degreelight module.

So it looks like I need to contact them?

How strange they don't list any of the Javelin modules.. I really find it to be bonkers!

Thanks for your help Red02 let me know if I am not on the right train of thought.

 

[red02]

I agree, it stinks but I guess the demand isn't really there. What I did was order a DBS body and a Javelin pill by requesting an invoice of all the parts. It took a better part of 2 weeks to arrive, but well worth it IMO.

Did I mention that the DBS accepts Javelin and other P60 modules but has a much larger reflector for even more throw?

Flashlightconnection is the only other site I know of that offers deree parts and modules. I think they would be willing to sell an XRE Javelin just by switching out the pill. Unfortunately last I heard they were out of the 3-stage XREs but still had the single stage ones.

 

[Trancersteve]

Sorry if I sound thick but what is DBS? 😱

That was bloody quick! I just got a reply from Dereelight stating:

Hi, Steven,

This configuration available with OP reflector, no SMO reflector for R2 now.

Thanks for the inquiry!

Not sure why this is? I read that only the XP-G is limited to OP reflector 😕

I own a Solarforce which has an R2 it is also has an OP reflector, so it is starting to sound like the only advantage the Javelin has over my Solarforce is the third cell and perhaps a better built pill.

The photo in this post does not help my thoughts, the hot spot does not look brighter than the XP-G R5 hotspot. Once more the XP-G R5 comes with SMO and from what I have read from this forum SMO is more about throw, but I also realise the XP-G R5 isn't a thrower by nature at all.

This really is becoming way more confusing than it should be!

Thanks for your help

 

[red02]

Its a personal preference. The XPG may seem brighter, but since the hot spot is larger it will lose that brightness or lux quicker with distance than the XRE. The XRE will be brighter at 50m+ IIRC.

Don't understand why Dereelight decided to include the XRE with the OP... I guess its a good thing I got a spare. Its possible to order the module without the reflector. The alternative is that you can get the XRE SMO at flashlightconnection while picking up the module or pill from dereelight directly.

The DBS is Dereelight's dedicated Li-Ion based thrower. Plenty of threads on CPF that will give you more info. Its major advantage is that its modular.

Since the DBS and Javelin use the same spec'd lamps its possible to buy the DBS body and use the Javelin lamp with the larger reflector and 2-3xAAs bypassing the need for Li-ions for great throw. The entire setup set me back about 150.

 

[Trancersteve]

I see and thinking about it, it does make sense.

I asked why the option of the SMO is unavailable the reply was:

due to the SMO reflector being sold out, rarely people request this option, thanks

Just checked flashlightconnection and they are also out of stock of the SMO reflector for the XR-E!

Blimey this is proving to be difficult! I was hoping to have this new light before bonfire night (the 5th November) but that is now looking quite unlikely. :shakehead

Good thing you bought another XR-E reflector.

I will find out if they will get new stock in of the reflector.

Many thanks for your help tonight red02, you have really helped me, thank you. 🙂

 

[red02]

Jay will tell you it will take 2 weeks. He's a great guy to work with but sometimes his estimates are foiled by Dereelight. Since Dereelight does not have the XRE SMO, its unlikely that he will be able to get any before they do.

I suggest just getting the XRE OP. IIRC Dereelight uses light orange peel to smooth out the beam and with 3xAAs you will get as much throw as with the XPG and 3xAAs. Its very easy to order and switch out a SMO XRE reflector when its available again.

 

[Trancersteve]

I dont think we will be seeing the SMO XR-E reflector again.

I just got an email from Dereelight stating that there will be no more SMO XR-E reflectors made unless there is a high demand for them.

Damn.. How did this super throwing AA light combination not have enough sales! Very surprised by the lack of sales...

 

[red02]

Sorry to hear that.

Since there is no real prospect of getting the XRE SMO, IMO there is no sense in getting the XRE OP since you will be getting the same throw as an XPG but with less total light.

XPG or XPE would be the way to go. The XPE has a higher surface brightness but the XPG has more total light. Since I doubt there is much of difference I would just go with the XPG.

Due to the larger reflector and 3xAA capability there aren't any lights AA lights that will out throw the Javelin. Well... maybe the TK40 which uses 4 XREs together but the going rate for that is about 150 and it needs 8xAAs.

Good luck.

 

[Trancersteve]

It is a right shame they stopped offering this reflector.

I will think about it.. I already have a Zebralight H51 on the way which is using the same emitter. But packaged differently with OP reflector and only driven by one cell.

Throw should be much better on the Javelin though.

Will sleep on it, thanks again red.

 

[waddup]

best bet is buy the 3 x AA javelin and buy a custom p60 for it (or several) lots of great p60s go thru the market place every month,

from an $8 p4 to a $50 sst-50 3 mode and malkoff,

and everything in between :candle:


http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=217252

 

[Trancersteve]

Hi waddup

I think the thing I am concerned about with going down that road is that with many of them P60 drop-ins I am straying into the territory of other battery chemistry voltages.

The 3.6v of 3xAA cells would in some cases barely power certain drop-in modules, and many of them it plain wouldn't be able to power them.

 

[recDNA]

If Lithium Primaries won't then 14500's will!

 

[Midnight Oil]

Hi waddup

I think the thing I am concerned about with going down that road is that with many of them P60 drop-ins I am straying into the territory of other battery chemistry voltages.

The 3.6v of 3xAA cells would in some cases barely power certain drop-in modules, and many of them it plain wouldn't be able to power them.

I resisted Li-ions for the longest time, but found few options sticking with AAs, so I made the leap to P60s powered by 18650 cells and haven't looked back since. There is much to choose from once you make the switch.

Oh, btw, don't be too disappointed with the discontinuation of the XRE SMO for the Dereelight pills. The reflector actually appears to be shallower than my LOPs and, for the purpose of focusing the hotspot, is shaped in such a way that it produces a wider and dimmer spill beam than that produced by my other LOPs. (In fact, even the Dereelight LOP is shallower than my other LOPs, and it, too, produces a wider and noticeably dimmer spill beam.) There is also a rather thick dark ring around the hotspot as well. The combined result: major tunnel vision. The throw to my eyes is not all that impressive---300 feet tops. To me, the marginal increase in throw is not worth the not very pleasant-to-the eyes beam pattern.

 

[red02]

The way I look at it is that you can use 18650s, RCR123s, 18500s, 17650s and CR123s with the right combination of spacers with low-voltage enabled dropins along with 2-3AAs. That way its always easy to find a battery for the light. Be it a AA, 2-3 of them, or a spare CR123 you have lying around.

Can't do that with 3.6-4.2 modules designed for a single Li-ion.

Besides if you want to go Li-Ion, the Javelin is the wrong choice IMO. It doesn't have a big enough reflector for as much throw as you can get with Li-Ions and 14500s aren't as capacious as 18650s. If you have to spend your money you might as well get the best. As AA throwers go the Javelin is top of its class, as a Li-Ion thrower its barely average.

 

[Trancersteve]

I resisted Li-ions for the longest time, but found few options sticking with AAs, so I made the leap to P60s powered by 18650 cells and haven't looked back since. There is much to choose from once you make the switch.

Oh, btw, don't be too disappointed with the discontinuation of the XRE SMO for the Dereelight pills. The reflector actually appears to be shallower than my LOPs and, for the purpose of focusing the hotspot, is shaped in such a way that it produces a wider and dimmer spill beam than that produced by my other LOPs. (In fact, even the Dereelight LOP is shallower than my other LOPs, and it, too, produces a wider and noticeably dimmer spill beam.) There is also a rather thick dark ring around the hotspot as well. The combined result: major tunnel vision. The throw to my eyes is not all that impressive---300 feet tops. To me, the marginal increase in throw is not worth the not very pleasant-to-the eyes beam pattern.

I am still kinda resisting Li-ions I almost can't bare to leave AAs! :sigh:

Well that is interesting what you say about the SMO and the XRE, I supposed I don't feel too hard done by now. 😉

What has caught my attention is that on the 25th September Dereelight announced that all SMO Javelins would ship with a new SMO reflector. I would be very interested to see the beam profile of a XPG R5 and this new SMO reflector.

Beamshots anyone?

 

[red02]

The LOP (light orange peel) actually should get better throw out of an xpg relative to an SMO. I remember reading something about this on cpf, I'm sure if you do a search more info will come up.

 

[Trancersteve]

I am not sure red02, since they are supplying the SMO reflector as standard it makes me wonder if the SMO is actually better than the OP.

The Dereelight site is starting to get on my nerves I must say. The information and compatibility of items is not clear at all. :duh2:

If I wanted to buy a Javelin (default XPG R5 with SMO reflector) and a spare OP reflector what reflector would I need? I take it I would need to choose a compatible reflector?

CL1H OP-XPG reflector----$6

or

C2H OP-XPG reflector-----$5

Thanks :thumbsup: