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Helluva an idea. They don't lose money and the customers get a discount. It's a win, win 😀
Hmm... Not to change the subject, but changing the subject --
I used to work at an MCI call center. One Monday, I got a call and the guy was just LIVID. He cursed, screamed and complained because he had been on hold for 45 minutes, and ended his tirade by asking if this wasn't the 20th century!
As this was sometime in late 2001, I gently replied,"Actually, sir, I believe it's the 21st"! And then he laughed harder than I did! True story, BTW...
I used to work at an MCI call center. One Monday, I got a call and the guy was just LIVID. He cursed, screamed and complained because he had been on hold for 45 minutes, and ended his tirade by asking if this wasn't the 20th century!
As this was sometime in late 2001, I gently replied,"Actually, sir, I believe it's the 21st"! And then he laughed harder than I did! True story, BTW...
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Toohotruk
Flashlight Enthusiast
I am curious as to why you would collect hats? Do you have more than two heads?Seriously though, I hope no one has been too upset by my post. I would think most of the participants have been entertained. If you really think you can convince every idiot on the web that they are as dumb as they are, you have a lot of work to do.
It's actually the redneck toupee thing...I have a hat for work, a hat for dress up, and my Sunday-go-to-meetin' hat. :nana:
And I agree as far as convincing idiots that that's what they are...and they definitely don't have to be on the web either. And if you try...well good luck, but watch that blood pressure. 🙄
BTW, this thread is pretty entertaining!
jtr1962
Flashaholic
As strange as it may sound, it's actually the ease with which information can be found these days which is at the heart of the problem. There are a bunch of morons out there who were never taught how to properly filter information. To them all sources are equivalent, and if they read something on the Internet, then "it must be true".
Even worse, once they have a little knowledge on a subject, they act like they know more than those who have devoted their entire lives to it. For example, I remember a few months after 9/11 everyone on the web was an "expert" on terrorism. It's only gotten worse since. Not only do you have idiots sprouting all manner of political nonsense, but you have all kinds of misleading and/or blatantly false commercial advertising. Couple this with a billion users, most of whom are incapable of separating fact from fiction, and you have a plethora of morons who actually think they know something. You know the old saying a little knowledge is a bad thing? The web has proven the wisdom of that saying a couple of million times over. These people are not only often wrong about a subject, but they're also impossible to educate. They'll obstinantly stick to whatever view of a subject best suits their tastes, not matter how many sources you cite to show them they're 100% wrong. After many years, I've finally learned to just walk away such people. The old adage "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink" comes to mind here.Yes, self-appointed "experts" are obviously one of my pet peeves. 😀
TorchBoy
Flashlight Enthusiast
So the first year should be considered to end at the beginning of the year AD1.
:sigh:
Actually no, didn't need to... but not because I knew already. I just noticed it included under Wikipedia's absolute zero entry while looking it up wondering if kelvins had a capital K (it doesn't). :tinfoil: But since NZ has a Christine Rankin that some people really don't like (she's been divorced three times and was made Families Commissioner) I wouldn't want to search for her. Do you want an address to which to send your month's pay? :thumbsup:
7th of January? Why? :naughty:
asdalton
Flashlight Enthusiast
So the first year should be considered to end at the beginning of the year AD1.
Yes.
I know that the convention doesn't treat it that way, but the convention is silly and inconsistent with the other ways that we measure time.
KC2IXE
Flashaholic*
You needed a cordoroy pillow
MCFLYFYTER
Banned
I was half correct. :nana:I vote that we call it even, because all the time you have spent here has kept you away from the marketplace. ( So you may actually owe me $ )
MCFLYFYTER
Banned
Mathematically, all years BC would be treated as negative numbers. So, any calculation you make that involves both BC and AD, will be off by one year. This is because there is no year zero between 1BC and 1AD. Therefore, it is NOT simple mathematics, because zero is a number. If i decided "5" was not a number, simple addition and subtraction as we know it would not work without modifying our method. The same stands for zero.
Help me out then, because I must be stupid. If you have 0 dollars, how much do you have? If you have 0 cars, how many do you have? If you have 0 of anything, how many do you have? So, what is the value of 0 and how do you have a 0 year? How long does this 0 year last? ALL sets of 10 START with 1 (1-10, 11-20, 21-30, etc., etc., etc.), in the physical world. It really IS that easy.
My .02 FWIW YMMV
My .02 FWIW YMMV
was.lost.but.now.found
Enlightened
The flaw in this thinking is that the discussion is not about currency or cars or centuries or millenia. The discussion is about a decade, more specifically a cultural decade. Does anyone really believe that the '60s' include 1970, or that the '80s' include 1990, or even better, does anyone really believe the '90s' included the year 2000?
I didn't think so.
jtr1962
Flashaholic
Those are all examples of counting where the item being counted is inherently in discrete units. Time can't be counted, only measured. Any physical quantity which can be measured starts at 0. This is true of time, mass, temperature, etc. All scales start at zero, and can deal with infinitesimally small quantities ( temperatures billionths of a degree above absolute zero, picoseconds, nanograms to name a few ).
Ok jtr1962, so help me out then, what is the value of 0 in time? What is the value of 0 for mass?
My .02 FWIW YMMV
My .02 FWIW YMMV
jtr1962
Flashaholic
My point isn't that there's a zero value, but rather that there's an infinite range of values in between 0 and 1. This isn't the case when counting discrete objects like cars. You can't have 0.00001 cars. But you can have 0.00001 years or even 0.000000000000000001 years. Therefore, counting time should start with a year 0.
MCFLYFYTER
Banned
Can anyone post a link to anything that states zero is not a number. I think that would help me understand. I know things change fast in the world today, but did we do away with zero? Has it been found to cause cancer or something?
MCFLYFYTER
Banned
Exactly, 0=0, it has NO value! Is this really THAT hard!
0 is a number, but by itself, it has NO value!
My .02 FWIW YMMV
0 is a number, but by itself, it has NO value!
My .02 FWIW YMMV
45/70
Flashlight Enthusiast
First let me say that I too, think of a reference to the 60's as being 1960-1969. I think this can be considered a decade consisting of any ten year period, and is more an example of an instance of convenient grouping, rather than looking at a decade as a segment included in the construction of a century or millennium. You might call this a "societal" decade. YMMV 🙂
I think part of the problem here is involving time in the discussion. Time has nothing to do with it. I'm talking about the simple construction of a decade, century, or a millennium. Time and it's various attributes are irrelevant.
I also think the discussion has been sidetracked by the discussion around zero (which is partly my fault) and it's lack of value. This again, is irrelevant to the discussion, as there was no year "0" included in the calendar that most of us use.
Mathematics do play a part in the discussion however, as it is involved in determining what a decade, century, or millennium consists of. I'm not talking about sophisticated mathematics, such as "pie are square/cornbread are round" either, but just simple mathematics, like counting whole numbers from 1 to 10, for example.
Years are whole numbers and don't have fractions like dollars, at least when figuring decades etc. and any interpretation of time is irrelevant when counting them. You either have a year, or you don't.
Now let's try building something with some years, OK? We'll try something small for starters, let's build a decade! This should be easy for the mathematically challenged, as a decade only consists of ten consecutive years, by definition. We'll start with any year, and logically, call it "1" since it is our "first" year. Have I lost anybody yet?
Now to build a decade, we're going to have to come up with 9 more years in succession, to complete it. So, lets take another year and place it after our first year "1" and call it, again logically, "2". We now have two consecutive years, makes sense to me anyway. I hope you're all keeping up with me! 🙂 Now let's add some more successive years, OK? We'll add "3","4","5","6","7","8", and "9', one right after the other, just like we added our second year, "2".
Now, some of you think we're done at this point, but let's take a look. 😳, looks like we've come up one year short of the ten years required to build a decade!:thinking: We'll have to add one more year, let's call it, logically, "10". Whew! We've completed our first decade, that wasn't so hard, was it? Look at it, ten whole years in succession, making a decade! Isn't that neat?
Now, I think it'd be kinda cool to maybe make another decade, and add it to our "first" decade so we end up with two decades, whadaya think? 🙂 Let's see now, some of you say that decades "have to" start with the last digit being a zero, so we'll call the first year of our second decade "10", OK? Uh oh, looks like we have a problem Houston!
It looks like the tenth, and last year of our first decade is already named "10"! What went wrong? :thinking: Looking at our first decade, it looks like we have met all the proper requirements, ten consecutive years, humm. It looks to me like we're going to have to call the "first" year of our second decade "11". 🙂
At this point I'm open to any possible solutions, as to how to remedy this situation, and am eagerly awaiting your responses. 🙂
Dave
I think part of the problem here is involving time in the discussion. Time has nothing to do with it. I'm talking about the simple construction of a decade, century, or a millennium. Time and it's various attributes are irrelevant.
I also think the discussion has been sidetracked by the discussion around zero (which is partly my fault) and it's lack of value. This again, is irrelevant to the discussion, as there was no year "0" included in the calendar that most of us use.
Mathematics do play a part in the discussion however, as it is involved in determining what a decade, century, or millennium consists of. I'm not talking about sophisticated mathematics, such as "pie are square/cornbread are round" either, but just simple mathematics, like counting whole numbers from 1 to 10, for example.
Years are whole numbers and don't have fractions like dollars, at least when figuring decades etc. and any interpretation of time is irrelevant when counting them. You either have a year, or you don't.
Now let's try building something with some years, OK? We'll try something small for starters, let's build a decade! This should be easy for the mathematically challenged, as a decade only consists of ten consecutive years, by definition. We'll start with any year, and logically, call it "1" since it is our "first" year. Have I lost anybody yet?
Now to build a decade, we're going to have to come up with 9 more years in succession, to complete it. So, lets take another year and place it after our first year "1" and call it, again logically, "2". We now have two consecutive years, makes sense to me anyway. I hope you're all keeping up with me! 🙂 Now let's add some more successive years, OK? We'll add "3","4","5","6","7","8", and "9', one right after the other, just like we added our second year, "2".
Now, some of you think we're done at this point, but let's take a look. 😳, looks like we've come up one year short of the ten years required to build a decade!:thinking: We'll have to add one more year, let's call it, logically, "10". Whew! We've completed our first decade, that wasn't so hard, was it? Look at it, ten whole years in succession, making a decade! Isn't that neat?
Now, I think it'd be kinda cool to maybe make another decade, and add it to our "first" decade so we end up with two decades, whadaya think? 🙂 Let's see now, some of you say that decades "have to" start with the last digit being a zero, so we'll call the first year of our second decade "10", OK? Uh oh, looks like we have a problem Houston!
It looks like the tenth, and last year of our first decade is already named "10"! What went wrong? :thinking: Looking at our first decade, it looks like we have met all the proper requirements, ten consecutive years, humm. It looks to me like we're going to have to call the "first" year of our second decade "11". 🙂
At this point I'm open to any possible solutions, as to how to remedy this situation, and am eagerly awaiting your responses. 🙂
Dave
