dont ever move to a small town!!!!!

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This is how we mow lawns in my small town ;)
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Last weekend I went to my friends house to do some practice shooting.
we have a good/safe setup with AR steel & a massive wood wall behind it (about a foot thick) to open land behind that.
..brought my Zastava 7.62x25* & my Springfield XD10 in 10mm ~ have the longer barrel option of XD10

His daughter is three & half, super cute kid.
She loves it when we shoot, with her pink hearing protection. Bubbly/smiling little girl 🤩

Because she's been around it from the get go, she has an understanding of firearms & an appreciation/respect of them


*Tokarev
 
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I wish that was how it was done nationwide. I'm sure if the Founders were around, that's the way they would want it done, if not grazed by livestock.
Probably the latter. The old timers were big on avoiding waste. To them, a green, manicured lawn would have been seen as an awful waste of land/water which could better be put to use growing crops people can actually eat. I often say the same thing now when I see McMansions on 1 acre lots. Unless you're growing most of your own food, why do you need that much land? It's 100 times worse when you see this in desert parts of the country. You're using water for something unnecessary that maybe a farmer down river of you could use more.
 

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Can mow my lawn like that in a large city if I choose. But whatever advantage a duty vs IWB holster offers in terms of protection from sweat it takes away in terms of entanglement and conspicuity.
"Conspicuity" is the whole point of open carry; but I wouldn't do yard work "packing".

It's ironic that open/concealed carry is legal in my red state where you really don't need it (no doubt that's the reason). But really needed & illegal in the blue state I left...
 

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Last weekend I went to my friends house to do some practice shooting.
we have a good/safe setup with AR steel & a massive wood wall behind it (about a foot thick) to open land behind that.
..brought my Zastava 7.62x25* & my Springfield XD10 in 10mm ~ have the longer barrel option of XD10

His daughter is three & half, super cute kid.
She loves it when we shoot, with her pink hearing protection. Bubbly/smiling little girl 🤩

Because she's been around it from the get go, she has an understanding of firearms & an appreciation/respect of them


*Tokarev
Went shooting this weekend and my buddy's 6 year old was drilling a turkey target with my 350 legend. : D. That's a fun round with almost no recoil for the kiddos.
 

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"Conspicuity" is the whole point of open carry
Despite TX legalizing it for permit holders in 2016 and subsequent implementation of Constitutional carry in 2021 I very rarely partake. I greatly prefer not drawing attention of randos, ne'er-do-wells, and the gendarmerie alike .

And I'm going to leave it at that.
 

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Probably the latter. The old timers were big on avoiding waste. To them, a green, manicured lawn would have been seen as an awful waste of land/water which could better be put to use growing crops people can actually eat. I often say the same thing now when I see McMansions on 1 acre lots. Unless you're growing most of your own food, why do you need that much land? It's 100 times worse when you see this in desert parts of the country. You're using water for something unnecessary that maybe a farmer down river of you could use more.
I guess "elbow room" is something you city folk wouldn't understand. In addition, green space helps prevent spread of fire, and in some cities, a lawn is all you can have in the front, and possibly the side of the house--no vegetable gardens or other weird things allowed by city ordinance. Personally, I would like to be able to have some livestock grazing on my 5 Acres, but the city took me in, and now I'm very limited on what I can do. No barb wire fence allowed. Dogs must be on a leash or fenced in when outside the house. No dog houses between the house and the street, etc, ad nauseam. I_hate_being_in_city_limits! Need to sell out, and get me a home on the range! Oh yeah, when I was a teen, early 20's, I hunted on this place--one guess what I can't do anymore. Houses all around my place, traffic passing by at all hours, fire trucks and ambulances screaming past at all hours, :rant::banghead::mad:
 

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Probably the latter. The old timers were big on avoiding waste. To them, a green, manicured lawn would have been seen as an awful waste of land/water which could better be put to use growing crops people can actually eat. I often say the same thing now when I see McMansions on 1 acre lots. Unless you're growing most of your own food, why do you need that much land? It's 100 times worse when you see this in desert parts of the country. You're using water for something unnecessary that maybe a farmer down river of you could use more.
Another reason why I'd never move into a community with an HOA. They'll allow you to grow certain plants/flowers in your front or backyard. But they won't allow you so much as a vegetable garden in the backyard away from prying eyes. Where no one else would go, and quite frankly shouldn't care since it can't be seen from your front yard.
 

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Despite TX legalizing it for permit holders in 2016 and subsequent implementation of Constitutional carry in 2021 I very rarely partake. I greatly prefer not drawing attention of randos, ne'er-do-wells, and the gendarmerie alike .

And I'm going to leave it at that.
Unless a person is on their own private property, Open-carry is just a horrendously bad idea. As you mentioned, no need to advertise to everyone and their dog that you are armed. Practically zero businesses exist nowadays that tolerate it. And, with them being Private companies simply open to the Public; they can ask you to leave or refuse service if you step inside while open-carrying.

You better be wearing a police uniform or a security uniform with a bullet-proof vest on, and an Armoured truck parked outside before they'll relax enough to help you.
 

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Unless a person is on their own private property, Open-carry is just a horrendously bad idea. As you mentioned, no need to advertise to everyone and their dog that you are armed. Practically zero businesses exist nowadays that tolerate it. And, with them being Private companies simply open to the Public; they can ask you to leave or refuse service if you step inside while open-carrying.

You better be wearing a police uniform or a security uniform with a bullet-proof vest on, and an Armoured truck parked outside before they'll relax enough to help you.
I used to see guys open carry in Walmart, several years ago. I don't shop there much, so I don't know if WM still tolerates it or not. This was probably back shortly after the big open carry push, when some of the open carry folks were getting real militant about it, and paying at Starbucks with two dollar bills to let them know how much of their business came from Second Amendment supporters. Seems like about that time there was a kerfuffle about some dudes in Texas open carrying long guns in some restaurant, but I don't remember the details. Anyway, I think WM took out their AR15s and some kind of ammo for awhile...all that is hazy now. Like I said, I don't shop in WM very often anymore, so they are kind of off my RADAR nowadays. Anyone know their policies now? BTW, I am in agreement with Monocrom regarding open carry. On the farm or ranch, fine. In public, bad idea, and likely result in a "Man with a gun" call to the local LEO's. Being stopped and asked for ID every day or so is not my idea of a good time, and will do nothing to "further the cause". I think these open carry in public protesters are hurting our cause, not helping it.
 

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Got news for you... immigrants took the jobs that were backbreaking, HARD, low pay, and that nobody wanted. They drive our economy, and if you don't know that, go grab some books and sit down.

The US lost ~3 million people during covid. Look it up. This is directly attributed and excess deaths combined.

Additionally, a significant fraction of people 1) retired early 2) retired outright 3) exited the workforce (think spouses that worked part time).

The workforce shortage is here to stay. You better thank your lucky stars Latin/South America is within 'walking' distance of the US.

US fertility rate dropped below replacement rate (2.1 kids/woman), probably permanently, in ~2007.

https://www.cato.org/blog/some-historical-context-fertility-decline
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Well, I don't know about all that. But

no matter how hard you're trying you can't get pregnant!
 

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I guess "elbow room" is something you city folk wouldn't understand. In addition, green space helps prevent spread of fire, and in some cities, a lawn is all you can have in the front, and possibly the side of the house--no vegetable gardens or other weird things allowed by city ordinance.
Not even a problem here. The guy who owns the house next door is growing some kind of Chinese vegetable on his front lawn. Believe me, NYC doesn't much care what you do on your property. So many garages converted to mini-apartments also, even though that's technically illegal.

Plenty of elbow room in my neck of the woods. To me 40'x100' lots are plenty.

Personally, I would like to be able to have some livestock grazing on my 5 Acres, but the city took me in, and now I'm very limited on what I can do. No barb wire fence allowed. Dogs must be on a leash or fenced in when outside the house. No dog houses between the house and the street, etc, ad nauseam. I_hate_being_in_city_limits! Need to sell out, and get me a home on the range! Oh yeah, when I was a teen, early 20's, I hunted on this place--one guess what I can't do anymore. Houses all around my place, traffic passing by at all hours, fire trucks and ambulances screaming past at all hours, :rant::banghead::mad:
Can you at least have chickens? Color me surprised. My sister lives in Yaphank, out on Long Island. I think she has 1/3 or 1/2 acre, I forgot which. If she had 3/4 acres or more, she would be allowed to have a horse. Not sure if cattle would be allowed, but I think pigs probably would be. Yummy, fresh bacon!
 

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I had an uncle, he was a WWII POW, European Theater, started farming in Washington state after the war. He hired LEGAL Mexican migrant workers to help with harvest. They would start in CA, them move to OR, then to WA, harvesting. I don't have a problem with LEGAL migrant workers, and I don't think Lips does, either, but I can't speak for him. What I do have a problem with is the uncontrollable invasion of our nation that is taking place with the blessings of the idiots in charge. So we have a low birth rate--there are ways to bring it up without resorting to this invasion. Now, if Monocrom would just lighten up a little bit... :crackup: No, seriously, there are things that could be done to incentivize parenting. Unfortunately, the idiots in charge won't go that route, they'd rather overburden our system and destroy our nation.
 

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Oh no! That's the last thing we need to incentivize. Matter of fact, we need to incentivize the very opposite. Plus, anyone applying for financial aid because they can't feed themselves and their children? Okay, here's your money. And here's your doctor's appointment next week. You're getting implanted with temporary sterilization. Once you go back to work, that measure will be removed from your arm. (Not sure what it's called, but it exists today.) If they don't want that? Fine! State takes your children from you and provides for them in Foster care. Until you can show you can afford to keep them.
 

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Not even a problem here. The guy who owns the house next door is growing some kind of Chinese vegetable on his front lawn. Believe me, NYC doesn't much care what you do on your property. So many garages converted to mini-apartments also, even though that's technically illegal.

Plenty of elbow room in my neck of the woods. To me 40'x100' lots are plenty.


Can you at least have chickens? Color me surprised. My sister lives in Yaphank, out on Long Island. I think she has 1/3 or 1/2 acre, I forgot which. If she had 3/4 acres or more, she would be allowed to have a horse. Not sure if cattle would be allowed, but I think pigs probably would be. Yummy, fresh bacon!
No chickens! This has been argued for at least twice in the last 4 or 5 years, and the city commission shot it down both times. This last time was during the chicken epidemic when egg prices peaked, and folks needed some relief. But the commission is run by wealthy business men and women, who don't care about the poor folks, and don't want the city looking like Hicksville, USA. They are all about expanding the city limits and growing the economy by attracting businesses to the community.
 

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Unless a person is on their own private property, Open-carry is just a horrendously bad idea.
Yep. The minute you open carry, you paint a target on your back. If any bad guys are around, who do you think they'll shoot first?
As you mentioned, no need to advertise to everyone and their dog that you are armed. Practically zero businesses exist nowadays that tolerate it. And, with them being Private companies simply open to the Public; they can ask you to leave or refuse service if you step inside while open-carrying.
That's another good reason. I don't think there would be one single business in NYC, other than gun stores, which will let in someone open carrying.
BTW, I am in agreement with Monocrom regarding open carry. On the farm or ranch, fine. In public, bad idea, and likely result in a "Man with a gun" call to the local LEO's. Being stopped and asked for ID every day or so is not my idea of a good time, and will do nothing to "further the cause". I think these open carry in public protesters are hurting our cause, not helping it.
Also, anyone who remembers how my city was in the early 90s knows how open carry in a big city will turn out. Back then, we had a lot of criminals packing, some openly, some not. Most of them couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Whenever firefights broke out, you had dead bystanders, including unfortunately a fair number of children. You even had kids getting killed by stray bullets entering their bedroom. It's not going to be much different if we let law-abiding citizens start packing in public. They won't start a firefight like the criminals, only respond to one. But their proficiency hitting their traget likely won't be much better than the bad guys. Same end result. For every firearm owner who goes to the range regularly to practice, you probably have ten or more who don't.
 

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No chickens! This has been argued for at least twice in the last 4 or 5 years, and the city commission shot it down both times. This last time was during the chicken epidemic when egg prices peaked, and folks needed some relief. But the commission is run by wealthy business men and women, who don't care about the poor folks, and don't want the city looking like Hicksville, USA. They are all about expanding the city limits and growing the economy by attracting businesses to the community.
Wow! Sounds like they're going for gentrification to line their own pockets. The end result of that is always long-time residents getting priced out of their community.
 

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Yep. The minute you open carry, you paint a target on your back. If any bad guys are around, who do you think they'll shoot first?

That's another good reason. I don't think there would be one single business in NYC, other than gun stores, which will let in someone open carrying.

Also, anyone who remembers how my city was in the early 90s knows how open carry in a big city will turn out. Back then, we had a lot of criminals packing, some openly, some not. Most of them couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Whenever firefights broke out, you had dead bystanders, including unfortunately a fair number of children. You even had kids getting killed by stray bullets entering their bedroom. It's not going to be much different if we let law-abiding citizens start packing in public. They won't start a firefight like the criminals, only respond to one. But their proficiency hitting their traget likely won't be much better than the bad guys. Same end result. For every firearm owner who goes to the range regularly to practice, you probably have ten or more who don't.
This hasn't been much of a problem, as far as I know. Florida was about the first to start permitting big time, and concealed carry has spread to most of the states, many eliminating permit requirements, as the expected bloodbath that the pearl clutching Lefties predicted hasn't happened. When only the cops and the criminals have guns, that's bad. Slaves do not carry weapons, free people do. It's way past time that New Yorkers be set free, so they can fight crime for themselves, and become whole citizens and not subjects of a tyrannical government and gangs.
 

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Well, I don't know about all that. But

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Facts don't care if you believe them or not. I gave links.

Some of the European economies are collapsing due to birth rate deficiencies: Spain, Italy, etc. It's a mathematical certainty.

The US is fortunate beyond belief that we are, more or less, _the_ desired immigration destination for the rest of the world, legit or not.

Alabama cracked down on immigrants a few years back. Crops rotted in the field as a result. Farmers could not find labor, regardless of pay, for the backbreaking work.



And, bring it on. I challenge you open debate in the UG. Might be tough for you as I'd expect facts, impartial references, and reason to be the basis. Good grammar, sentence structure, and paragraphs are also expected.
 

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This hasn't been much of a problem, as far as I know. Florida was about the first to start permitting big time, and concealed carry has spread to most of the states, many eliminating permit requirements, as the expected bloodbath that the pearl clutching Lefties predicted hasn't happened. When only the cops and the criminals have guns, that's bad. Slaves do not carry weapons, free people do. It's way past time that New Yorkers be set free, so they can fight crime for themselves, and become whole citizens and not subjects of a tyrannical government and gangs.
I'd like for the city to at least remove the roadblocks to keeping weapons at home. Those fees in the link I gave earlier are recurring. Every two years they have to be paid. In less than a decade often the fees would exceed the cost of the firearm. Basically, they make it cost prohibitive for poorer people to have guns. Punitive fees and taxes are definitely an infringement on 2A rights.

Store owners should definitely have the right to keep a weapon on premises. That would stop a lot of the shoplifting cold.
 
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