[email protected] to stop selling 18650 cells?

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[FONT=ArialNarrow, sans-serif]Apparently loose 18650 li-ion cells, not installed in devices are being delisted from the site and will not be allowed to be listed going forward.

Can anyone confirm?
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Their loss. I've never bought any off there anyways. There's tons of great e-commerce sites selling 18650's.
 
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I would hate to see that. Not because of the deals, but because that's one step closer to not being able to get 18650s online at all. Next will be reputable distributors. Then local stores, which are basically useless anyway, at least around here.
 
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If it is so, it is because of FAA airline regulations regarding lithium ion cells they may only allow cells shipped in devices on airplanes without special shipping considerations. I received an 18650 inside a light from China recently (a month or so ago). It is quite possible that the "bare" 18650 cells being shipped are being sent normally in the mail circumventing the FAA safety protocols with no protection. I'm guessing the dealers that sell cells only have to ship them in approved packaging/cases (not bare like some on Ebay may be doing).
If a dealer on Ebay is very large is it quite possible they have their own separate website that you can track down and order them bypassing Ebay itself. I've done this a few times with some items that I needed more in depth information and other considerations that I felt messaging through Ebay's system would be too time consuming.
 
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If that's the case I'd expect to not see ANY lithium cells being sold, not just 18650. I'll believe it when I see it though.
 
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[FONT=ArialNarrow, sans-serif]Looks like they took down about 80,000+ 18650 listings today, don't know how many they took down yesterday. I suppose some sellers will try to relist until they get caught?[/FONT]
 
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[FONT=ArialNarrow, sans-serif]Looks like they took down about 80,000+ 18650 listings today, don't know how many they took down yesterday. I suppose some sellers will try to relist until they get caught?[/FONT]

Most likely they will have to start selling them installed in flashlight (host) bodies.
 
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Phew, my favorite Australian retailer is still there. But maybe not affected as shipping is not international?
 
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Phew, my favorite Australian retailer is still there. But maybe not affected as shipping is not international?

May I ask who that seller is please, I’m also in Oz
 
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Certain battery chemestries are not supposed to be on airplanes above certain heights at all. In or out of products. So those sending lights loaded with them are also violating restrictions.

DHL for example, uses a ship if the package is labeled properly (indicating said battery(s) are inside the package). Now once upon a time I had a package of products pre-loaded with 18650's sent by the legal means and it arrived several days before another package (non loaded with batteries) from the same seller that crossed the big pond on an airplane.

Point being if the seller labels it proper it will be sent by boat, which these days is not that slow boat to China anymore. Perhaps eBay was concerned about exploding batteries since there are lots of so called "rewraps" where a cheap junky cell is covered up by a label indicating it actually exceeds its true capabilities. The vaping industry for example is plagued with rewraps that indicate surge ability way beyond actual ability and those super vapes are very dangerous in those cases.

I'd guess it's more about the stupid users than the airline thing.
 
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Minor point: Ebay doesn't 'sell' anything. They act as agent for the individual people/vendors that have listings there. Technically, that lets them off the hook as far as shipping li-ion cells and any liability from doing so. But I can see Ebay being included in a liability suit from someone shotgunning every possibility when filing a suit, with the ensuing expense to defend against same. So I can see a decision to stop allowing listings of li-ion by themselves as a means of avoiding being included in any such suits.

Follow-up thought: I remembered that they will handle ALL the details of a transaction, for a cut of the sales. In that case, they may or may not be handling the actual packaging and shipping of those items. Still, the above thought still applies.
 
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Not all TB but quite a few of the items I've bought through eBay had eBay packing tape, mailing labels and/or other labels that showed it was an eBay sold product.
Does that make them liable? Lawyers and judges would have to decide that. I suppose it would be like the victim of a drunk driver suing the store that sold the alcohol. Or perhaps the bar that sold it, which in my mind would be a lot different than suing, say Food Lion for selling the beer the driver got drunk with.

I do know that a lot of vape shops got nervous when a few batteries exploded and no longer sold certain brands of 18650 cells because there were so many knockoffs of them that unless they stress tested every one there was no way to know if it was real or not. Those "sub ohm" vape devices can really tax a battery. Some draw less than half an ohm for up to ten seconds. WOW!!
 
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Me thinx if they donate enough to the right political organizations they'll be ok. If they don't……well good luck wit dat. lol
 
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Before the internet was open to the public, a good friend of mine was a corporate risk manager for a large catalog company. If I recall correctly, ANYTHING they listed in their catalog, whether they handled it or not, could get them pulled into a lawsuit over it, along with the manufacturer, parts supplier to the manufacturer, and every entity along the way. The lawyers named everyone, and went for the deep pockets.

Some products, they wouldn't list in their catalog, or others, only if they had warning labels on them. The stories he told of various suits that were filed, often had me laughing in incredulity. He was a proponent of the British rule; "loser pays" to reduce the number of lawsuits, and the financial burden of continually having to bear the cost of having to defend against them.

One example is: A guy got drunk and fell off of a ladder, and sued everyone, up and down the line. You'll now find labels on ladders: "Danger falling hazard! Don't use this product after consuming alcohol!"
 
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Total US lawyer BS, they don’t know anything else but to sue.
 
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I ordered a pair of 18650 from an eBay seller 3 years ago. I was surprised when I opened the package and there was a cheap LED flashlight light. I was going to write a question to the seller, maybe he sent me something else by mistake? But then I noticed that it's just a shell for the actual batteries, the flashlight didn't even work. This is one of the tricks how you can send 18650 or any other cells to comply with airmail rules (can't ship loose cells not installed in a device).
 

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