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[knucklegary]

What is current bore ID of the Bravo bodies in OR inventory?

According to Grissman's measurement: .740 = 18.80mm ID

** I read somewhere in this thread 18650 protected cells (18.60mm) Do Not fit Oveready bored Bravo bodies?

With 0.20mm battery to bore clearance you can sit back and toss them in..

0.15mm (.006 inches) should be enough clearance to add plenty breathing room without creating battery vacuum..

IMO -- Overbored bodies @18.75 is optimal for All available protected and unprotected 18mm cells

 

[Grizzman]

My Charlie was bored in the last Oveready batch, and it measures at .740".

I use AW protected 3400 mAh 18650s in my bored Bravos without any fitment issues at all. I don't own any other protected 18650s.

 

[Modernflame]

What is current bore ID of the Bravo bodies in OR inventory?

According to Grissman's measurement: .740 = 18.80mm ID

** I read somewhere in this thread 18650 protected cells (18.60mm) Do Not fit Oveready bored Bravo bodies?

With 0.20mm battery to bore clearance you can sit back and toss them in..

0.15mm (.006 inches) should be enough clearance to add plenty breathing room without creating battery vacuum..

IMO -- Overbored bodies @18.75 is optimal for All available protected and unprotected 18mm cells

Not sure about the exact measurements, but the tolerances are snug. Oveready prefers the use of unprotected AW cells, which tend to be thinner than a lot of others. I recently sold my bored out Charlie tube, but it was perfect for a pair of AW unprotected 18490's. Keeppower 18500's were too fat. When I added an 18350 extender, I could use 2 X 18650, but I was limited to AW cells.

Actually, I have one pair of Keeppower 18650's that fit. My other sets of Keeppower 18650's were too large. Go figure.

 

[knucklegary]

Older KP protected used two wrappers vs one. They came up with a stronger more forgiving plastic heat shrink material eliminating the to double bag it

 

[Modernflame]

Older KP protected used two wrappers vs one. They came up with a stronger more forgiving plastic heat shrink material eliminating the to double bag it

True, but the dimensions in question are greater than wrappers. Like people, not all 18650's can be skinny. I had no idea there was so much variation within the 18650 family until I started playing around with bored out tubes. By contrast, Malkoff MD series tubes are generously machined to house most anything.

 

[knucklegary]

Modernflame, There's nothing more valuable than hands on experience. Thank you for your threads!

 

[knucklegary]

Malkoff in comparison to other flashlights.. It's like comparing Harley-Davidson to a Honda 50 scooter!

 

[Modernflame]

Malkoff in comparison to other flashlights.. It's like comparing Harley-Davidson to a Honda 50 scooter!

Far be it from me to agree to that on a non-Malkoff thread...but I agree anyway.

In the interest of staying on topic, I have the feeling that Elzetta will unveil a new product soon. I have no data to back that up, I'm just speculating based on the discontinuation of the M60's an their silence at last year's SHOT show.

 

[Low_Speed]

Regarding Elzetta, they are a persnickety bunch. Whereas most manufacturers listen to what their customers want, Elzetta makes what Elzetta wants and tells their customers what they should want.

Elzetta listens to the customers that that they design and build their flashlights for. They are for military/tactical use. Weapon mounted lights. You as a customer buy for what your needs are. If You don’t need a weapon mounted light then you need to move on to EDC light manufacturers that do suit your needs. Olight makes some great lights.

 

[INFRNL]

What is current bore ID of the Bravo bodies in OR inventory?

According to Grissman's measurement: .740 = 18.80mm ID

** I read somewhere in this thread 18650 protected cells (18.60mm) Do Not fit Oveready bored Bravo bodies?

With 0.20mm battery to bore clearance you can sit back and toss them in..

0.15mm (.006 inches) should be enough clearance to add plenty breathing room without creating battery vacuum..

IMO -- Overbored bodies @18.75 is optimal for All available protected and unprotected 18mm cells

You are correct, oveready bored bodies will work with aw protected cells but will not work with keeppower, lg, sanyo/Panasonic protected cells.

I use the later 3 and was disappointed to find this out when i got my bored bravo. I had to enlarge the bore myself to get my cells to work.

 

[Dio]

Elzetta listens to the customers that that they design and build their flashlights for. They are for military/tactical use. Weapon mounted lights. You as a customer buy for what your needs are. If You don’t need a weapon mounted light then you need to move on to EDC light manufacturers that do suit your needs. Olight makes some great lights.

You're not the first to display this distasteful attitude and sounding like an elitist snob, shunning customers for - God forsake it - buying a 'weapon light' and not equipping it to a weapon. Oh the travesty!!

What if I just want a hardcore light that can stand a ton of abuse?
What if my life (whilst no way firearm related) depends on illumination and I feel Elzetta offers such a product?
What if the beam profile is unique and offers not only a large area of illumination, it also has a really nice tint?

Those are just a few possible questions that a customer may consider an Elzetta over many of the other brands out there. To come out and say to someone go away, this brand does not cater to you is a bit foolish. What do I know though, maybe I should just go offer all my stuff for sale at the range next time I pass by..:fail:

 

[XR6Toggie]

I don’t think it’s elitist, it’s just pointing out to people that take issue with Elzetta’s particular offerings that there are other options available that might better suit their needs. I can understand why Elzetta’s very specific product specifications aren’t for everyone but referring buyers to another manufacturer shouldn’t be seen as elitist. Same as referring someone looking at Mercedes-AMG cars to Volkswagen instead.

 

[RI Chevy]

Elzetta offers specific engineered lights for sale. You like it, buy it. You don't like it, don't buy it.
One can't expect the manufacturer to change their design to cater to a few customers wants.
I think is what is being expressed here.

 

[Low_Speed]

You're not the first to display this distasteful attitude and sounding like an elitist snob, shunning customers for - God forsake it - buying a 'weapon light' and not equipping it to a weapon. Oh the travesty!!

What if I just want a hardcore light that can stand a ton of abuse?
What if my life (whilst no way firearm related) depends on illumination and I feel Elzetta offers such a product?
What if the beam profile is unique and offers not only a large area of illumination, it also has a really nice tint?

Those are just a few possible questions that a customer may consider an Elzetta over many of the other brands out there. To come out and say to someone go away, this brand does not cater to you is a bit foolish. What do I know though, maybe I should just go offer all my stuff for sale at the range next time I pass by..:fail:

What Toggie and Chevy said. Why is being truthful distasteful? I buy lights from a wide range of manufacturers for a specific uses that they were designed for. I buy Elzetta and Surefire lights for weapon/tactical use and other manufacturers lights for EDC lights. Will I grab my Elzetta for other uses if it’s the first thing that’s close by? Yes. But I do not expect or complain if it doesn’t do what other lights do.

In short, buy the tool designed for the job and fits your needs. Elzetta doesn’t seem to fit your needs. You should move on. Try the Olight M2R Warrior. It’s tough and will probably fit your needs that the Elzetta will not. Including the batteries.

 

[Tachead]

Hey guys, what is the CCT and tint like on the AVS? Thanks.

 

[RI Chevy]

AVS head I would characterise as a warm neutral. I get slightly different tints based on input voltage.

 

[Tachead]

AVS head I would characterise as a warm neutral. I get slightly different tints based on input voltage.

Ok, so like 4000K? 4500k? Could you describe the tint at different outputs please then(low 6V, high 6V, high 9V). Greenish? Yellowish? Rosey? Creamy? Thanks:thumbsup:

 

[Modernflame]

Ok, so like 4000K? 4500k? Could you describe the tint at different outputs please then(low 6V, high 6V, high 9V). Greenish? Yellowish? Rosey? Creamy? Thanks:thumbsup:

My unscientific guess is 5000k. Looks a tad yellow compared to 6000k, but bluish next to 4000k. I don't notice a difference in beam tint when switching from 6v to 9 v, but it shifts very slightly toward yellow on low.

That said, each specimen is unique. I've owned two and seen three, and the tint lottery will have a say in the exact specs.

 

[Tachead]

My unscientific guess is 5000k. Looks a tad yellow compared to 6000k, but bluish next to 4000k. I don't notice a difference in beam tint when switching from 6v to 9 v, but it shifts very slightly toward yellow on low.

That said, each specimen is unique. I've owned two and seen three, and the tint lottery will have a say in the exact specs.

Thanks. I was hoping it was a bit warmer. So it is definitely quite a bit cooler then an M61N? I am aware of the tint lottery, just trying to get a rough idea. I don't mind yellow but, can't stand green. Sounds like it has a descent tint on average from the videos and pics I have looked at.

 

[RI Chevy]

That pretty much describes the tint. Slightly more yellowish, almost incandescent like on lower input voltages. I would describe the tint more like 3900K to 4300K. Excellent color rendition. But slightly warmer than neutral.
Definitely warmer than my M61N's.