Modernflame
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If you don't mind waiting till evening, I'd be happy to snap a few comparison beam shots. Bravo AVS next to M61N. In the meantime, flashlight guide has some photos that might prove helpful.
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If you don't mind waiting till evening, I'd be happy to snap a few comparison beam shots. Bravo AVS next to M61N. In the meantime, flashlight guide has some photos that might prove helpful.
Tachead
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Ok, thanks MF:thumbsup:.
Modernflame
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I get a kick out of this. Not sure about Canada, but in my neighborhood "MF" stands for something besides Modernflame.
Tachead
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I get a kick out of this. Not sure about Canada, but in my neighborhood "MF" stands for something besides Modernflame.
Lol. I promise I was not calling you a MF, I am just lazy
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I have a neighbor who bought a sherman tank and turned it into a vacation home. Later he complained of lack of headroom stating "sherman should be more responsive to customers desires"....
archimedes
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Funny stuff, but can we nudge this thread back on topic guys 
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Modernflame
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@Tachead. My photos are terrible, but you get some idea. The Elzetta is a bit brighter, and to my eye a little cooler. The difference in beam tint is most visible in the third photo, if you look at the spill on the trees above the hot spots.
M61N
Elzetta Bravo AVS
M61N on left, Bravo AVS on the right.
INFRNL
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I was going to comment on the difference between M61N and AVS but when I went to looking at my lights against a wall, it was too difficult to try and explain.
The AVS has a pretty white hotspot but the spill is more creamy, closer to what the M61N provides. on low mode it is more evident and appears to be warmer and close to the M61N
I was going to say AVS is around 5000k as well but when i put it against my 5000K Nichia 219c HDS rotary, there is a clear difference. It also gets hard to compare because of the beam profiles. M61N and nichia 219c has a larger hotspot and transitions with the spill beam much smoother. AVS has a small hotspot which we will say is white and spill beam is more yellow/creamy and has a more drastic transition between colors.
As long as you are not comparing different lights, the AVS usually looks near pure white, maybe slightly off white, where as the M61N always has a yellowish tint to it. If you like the yellowness of M61N and you do not like cooler tints, it may be a toss up for the AVS. Me personally, I do not really care for the M61N tint but if it was my only light then my eyes would become used to it and would be fine. I really like the AVS and think it has a great tint color.
As far as profile, the AVS overall is nice with a more focused hotspot but spill beam is not as full/bright compared to other lights, from my experience. M61N provides good range with nice hotspot and a very good spill as well (more so if you have an enlarged output opening) M61N and similar lights have a better transition from hotspot to spill ( I think is what I'm trying to say) I prefer the beam profile of M61N more, but I like the tint of AVS more
Nice pics modern flame:thumbsup:
I would say in real life the difference between tint color is a bit more than what his pics show though. Just my opinion and we all know that it can be hard to get a pic to show what our eyes really see.
The AVS has a pretty white hotspot but the spill is more creamy, closer to what the M61N provides. on low mode it is more evident and appears to be warmer and close to the M61N
I was going to say AVS is around 5000k as well but when i put it against my 5000K Nichia 219c HDS rotary, there is a clear difference. It also gets hard to compare because of the beam profiles. M61N and nichia 219c has a larger hotspot and transitions with the spill beam much smoother. AVS has a small hotspot which we will say is white and spill beam is more yellow/creamy and has a more drastic transition between colors.
As long as you are not comparing different lights, the AVS usually looks near pure white, maybe slightly off white, where as the M61N always has a yellowish tint to it. If you like the yellowness of M61N and you do not like cooler tints, it may be a toss up for the AVS. Me personally, I do not really care for the M61N tint but if it was my only light then my eyes would become used to it and would be fine. I really like the AVS and think it has a great tint color.
As far as profile, the AVS overall is nice with a more focused hotspot but spill beam is not as full/bright compared to other lights, from my experience. M61N provides good range with nice hotspot and a very good spill as well (more so if you have an enlarged output opening) M61N and similar lights have a better transition from hotspot to spill ( I think is what I'm trying to say) I prefer the beam profile of M61N more, but I like the tint of AVS more
Nice pics modern flame:thumbsup:
I would say in real life the difference between tint color is a bit more than what his pics show though. Just my opinion and we all know that it can be hard to get a pic to show what our eyes really see.
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Modernflame
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^^ Yeah, what he said. I also think the real life difference is greater than my photos show, and probably has to do with the white balance on my old school iPhone 5.
Hey, there's a 18650 3100/3400/3500 Fitment Guide in this forum. Posted by Oveready (5yrs old) it lists batteries that fit bored/unbored bodies.. However, it needs to be updated, Malkoff is currently finishing battery bores at 18.90mm, and any 18650 cell will fit comfortably in Malkoff MD2,3,4.. Sliding in an out with plenty clearance, the loose battery bore maybe good foresight since the trend for higher mAh protected cells comes with increased cell width.
Now, how can I squeeze a 26650 into a Hound Dog MD2 -- Solution; 31 x 26mm body. That's appr 1-1/4" hand grip size. Just the right grip feel with added mega mAh.. Humm, back to the drawing board
Now, how can I squeeze a 26650 into a Hound Dog MD2 -- Solution; 31 x 26mm body. That's appr 1-1/4" hand grip size. Just the right grip feel with added mega mAh.. Humm, back to the drawing board
RI Chevy
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Just to throw a monkey wrench into the equation, the AVS head looks a bit different depending on what optic your using in it. Lol
For example the regular TIR lens vs. The flood lens. Lol
For example the regular TIR lens vs. The flood lens. Lol
INFRNL
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was this post meant to be posted in the Elzetta thread or was it meant to be posted in one of the malkoff threads? I feel like I just smoked something good
This is also true...this will get em thinking
Dan from Oveready responded (PM) to my earlier thread questioning Elzetta Bravo bore sizes. He lead me to the OR 2013 dated battery fitment chart
Oveready bored (18.65mm) Elzetta Bravo bodies are limited to run either OR protected (black), or unprotected AW 18650 (red)
*NOTE: I did get lil side tracked after reading the chart stating some 18mm batteries did Not fit Malkoff bodies -- Not the case today, current production bodies measure 18.9mm battery bores, and will accept any 18650 currently available
Oveready bored (18.65mm) Elzetta Bravo bodies are limited to run either OR protected (black), or unprotected AW 18650 (red)
*NOTE: I did get lil side tracked after reading the chart stating some 18mm batteries did Not fit Malkoff bodies -- Not the case today, current production bodies measure 18.9mm battery bores, and will accept any 18650 currently available
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Tachead
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Thanks man, I really appreciate you taking the time👍.@Tachead. My photos are terrible, but you get some idea. The Elzetta is a bit brighter, and to my eye a little cooler. The difference in beam tint is most visible in the third photo, if you look at the spill on the trees above the hot spots.
M61N
Elzetta Bravo AVS
M61N on left, Bravo AVS on the right.
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Tachead
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Thank you too for the detailed info sir👍
Ditto on the photos.. Nice job !!
I bought a light that has a unique beam pattern. It really excells at what I wanted: 2 modes; good output for my needs/uses; excellent beam; durable; from a reputable company and backed up by a no issues guarantee both in a personal sense of it being reliable AND in the literal sense that if it fails the aforementioned point of reliability, I will be looked after and have a functional light again ASAP.
Continue to carry on with all the metaphors you like. The only complaining I see however is due to the Bravo/Charlie not supporting 18mm cells..they clearly listened and made the Bones - a product you own if my memory serves me right. Surely such a purist in need of a hardcore life support device would only use primary cells!? You should have bought a Bravo or Charlie as now Elzetta may be fooled into thinking a non-weapon/critical aplication or even civilian use is occurring with their products and, to the demise of us all, they may make an EDC product for a wider audience!
Who would want that to happen though as Elzetta may grow as a business and be able to employ more Americans!!!
Modernflame
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My pleasure, sir. I hope it helps you make a decision.
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Need help, please!
What is voltage for AVS head: 3V-12V or 3V-14V ?
What is voltage for AVS head: 3V-12V or 3V-14V ?
As far as I know it would be 9V max (or 9.75 when you account for primaries starting at 3.25). Elzetta has stated rechargeables are ok except in Charlie models.
