Eneloop real or fake?

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xenonk said:
Yeah, their own black-topped ones. :nana:
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OK, smartie, I mean besides those! If Duracell's, whether white or black-topped, were to be counterfeited and start showing up with the electrical characteristics of the non-LSD Eneloop fakes, it might go virtually unnoticed for some time since most who would know the difference, such as here, would just be springing for Eneloops in the first place.
 
Turbo DV8 said:
OK, smartie, I mean besides those! If Duracell's, whether white or black-topped, were to be counterfeited and start showing up with the electrical characteristics of the non-LSD Eneloop fakes, it might go virtually unnoticed for some time since most who would know the difference, such as here, would just be springing for Eneloops in the first place.
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I find it more difficult to believe there aren't counterfeit Duracells in circulation than that there are. However, with genuine Duracells being more readily available than the Eneloop, it seems less likely those with the knowledge to identify them as counterfeit would source them from locations where they tend to accumulate, such as Hong Kong.

It's also feasible that they aren't near as proliferate as counterfeit Eneloops because they provide less margin for profit. It must be pretty difficult for your poor, hard-working counterfeiter to make a dishonest buck with vendors world-wide almost routinely blowing genuine Duracells out the door at what seems like fire-sale prices.
 
DX 4*AAA Recykos (sku 8980) fake or real?

Hi all,
I just received my 1st AAA recykos from DX and I'd like to get some help on finding out if they are genuine GP recykos or not. The package looked flawless and official (chinese version as shown on DX product page) and the batteries itself seem good, too (they do seem to be a bit thicker than other AAA's I have though).



Only my initial refresh-cycle with my IPC-1L (=BC 700) shows some too-good-to-be-true capacities (1029,1000,931,993 mAh):




What do you think, please?
 
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Oh my god, there are GP Reckyo fakes now? They was my last hope from DX... :thumbsdow

How we, poor brazilians, can buy good and honest-priced LSD AA batteries? :shakehead

Best regards,
Luis Santos
 
Remon said:
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Above: old batch from Batterijenhuis
Under: new batch from Conrad
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Received a reply from Sanyo, that both cells are authentic with the one having the slight ridge as the 1st generation eneloop battery because the battery uses conventional ‘battery jacket’ (tube), while the later uses a different type of battery jacket & is the latest eneloop in running production.
 
I bought a 4-pack of eneloops for DX and taken delivery of it recently. Having a look at the pictures from this thread, it looks as if DX are back to selling counterfeits.

I took the liberty and taken pictures of the cells I bought and compared them to a packet I bought from eBay which looks to be genuine compared to the cells bought in DX.

The pictures can be found here in a PDF via megaupload.

Also, having a look at the DX bought eneloops, they seem to have discharged more than 'typical' LSD cells.

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Date     Battery Number     Charge Option          Capacity at end of charge
16/09/09     1              Break-in "2000mah"         2018 
             2              Break-in "2000mah"         2029
             3              Break-in "2000mah"         2083
             4              Break-in "2000mah"         1998
25/09/09     1              Discharge "500ma"          1850 
             2              Discharge "500ma"          1823
             3              Discharge "500ma"          1883 
             4              Discharge "500ma"          1852
The above four cells, on average, discharged 8.85% of their capacity after a week (the break-in cycle ended on 18/09/09). From what I've read, the week long discharge rate is a tad bit higher than expected from LSD cells.

I have yet been able to test out the discharge rate of the eBay bought eneloops as it has been less than a week since the break-in cycle.

I am mid-way in the process of consulting with a representative from Sanyo Australia to confirm if either of the DX or eBay bought cells are fake.
 
Rod911 said:
I am mid-way in the process of consulting with a representative from Sanyo Australia to confirm if either of the DX or eBay bought cells are fake.
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Please do let us hear what Sanyo have to say! This kind of input is invaluable, thank you.
 
More telling would have been the eveness of the voltages straight out of the package before discharging, and the discharge capacities before doing the break-in or any charge.
 
Turbo DV8 said:
More telling would have been the eveness of the voltages straight out of the package before discharging, and the discharge capacities before doing the break-in or any charge.
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I did do a discharge before the break-in, but neglected to record what the capacity was. 😳
I only remembered to record the right-out-of-the-packet discharge figure for a set of Imedion LSDs that arrived on the same day. On average, they had 74% capacity before a break-in session. The Imedions went through the same 7-day discharge test and they averaged a 6.63% capacity drop compared to DX eneloop's 8.85%.
 
I decided to hedge by bets and ask both Sanyo Australia and Sanyo US.

Below are their (belated) responses.

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Hi Rod911,
 
I have been advised by Japan that from the images that you have supplied the batteries appear to be real items, but this cannot be guaranteed from pictures .
 
Items sold in Korea and US are different due to production adjustment, but their performance should be the same.
 
I would recommend that if you have any performance issues with the eneloop’s that you have purchased online, you should contact the original seller.
 
 
Thank you for your inquiry.
 
Regards,
 
Ash
 
Channel Account Manager - Eneloop Universe | Sanyo Oceania Pty Ltd

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[FONT=Arial]Rod911,[/FONT] 
 
[FONT=sans-serif][SIZE=2]Thank you for providing such detailed images of your eneloop batteries.  [/SIZE][/FONT] 
 
[FONT=sans-serif][SIZE=2]I inspected each photo and compared each to known legitimate eneloop batteries.  All features are consistent with true eneloop products.  [/SIZE][/FONT] 
 
[FONT=sans-serif][SIZE=2]Did you have a performance issue with the batteries?  If so, please send the defective batteries to my attention at the physical address under  my signature along with proof of purchase and your ship-to address for the good batteries.  [/SIZE][/FONT] 
 
[FONT=sans-serif][SIZE=2]Please advise.  [/SIZE][/FONT] 
 
[FONT=sans-serif][SIZE=2]Thanks,[/SIZE][/FONT]
 
[SIZE=2][FONT=sans-serif]Derek[/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=2][FONT=sans-serif]Marketing Manager[/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=2][FONT=sans-serif]Consumer Solutions Division[/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=2][FONT=sans-serif]SANYO North America[/FONT][/SIZE]

Note that I did send Derek another email with my week long test results in the previous page, but I was later advised that they were consistent of LSD batteries, despite a higher discharge figure compared to the Imedions that I had handy at the time of testing.

So I guess DX are selling genuine eneloops after all. Hard to believe, huh?
 
It's been 50 days since purchasing eneloops from DX. The results aren't as I had hoped for:

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The above four cells, on average, discharged 36.73% of their capacity after 50 days. I guess they're not genuine after all...

edit: these are the results from the cells I purchased from eBay. Please refer to the results for my "A" set:

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The eBay purchased cells, on average, discharged 10.24% of their original capacity whilst remaining idle for 53 days.
 
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i just received 2 packs of AA x 4 eneloops from DX.

Observations (luckily i had some genuine reference ones to compare with):
- The packaging looks the same as in post #28
- Date code is more unreadable
- The small prints are according to the 2009 USA design in post #52
- Smaller, shorter and more round button compared to the reference one (see pic)
- Different lengths, the received batteries has longer body + shorter button (see pic)

Measured them all with the C9000 charger and the results (break-in 2000mAh) final capacity: 2254 to 2279 mAh

I ran a refresh cycle (1000/500 mah) as well to check the status and the end results: 2090 to 2244 mAh

Reference battery on the left:


Reference battery on the left:


Smells like fake ones to me... :-(
 
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Jekku said:
i just received 2 packs of AA x 4 eneloops from DX.

Observations (luckily i had some genuine reference ones to compare with):
- The packaging looks the same as in post #28
- Date code is more unreadable
- The small prints are according to the 2009 USA design in post #52
- Smaller, shorter and more round button compared to the reference one (see pic)
- Different lengths, the received batteries has longer body + shorter button (see pic)

Measured them all with the C9000 charger and the results (break-in 2000mAh) final capacity: 2254 to 2279 mAh

I ran a refresh cycle (1000/500 mah) as well to check the status and the end results: 2090 to 2244 mAh

Reference battery on the left:

[Eneloop Side-by-Side Image 1]

Reference battery on the left:

[Eneloop Side-by-Side Image 2]

Smells like fake ones to me... :-(
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I concur Jekku.

I also remain astonished that, even with the detailed side-by-side images he provided in hand, Sanyo representatives in both Australia and the United States couldn't discern the obvious physical differences, and informed Rod911 that the appearance of these counterfeit cells was "consistent with true Eneloop products".

http://www.candlepowerforums.com ... post3120140

http://www.candlepowerforums.com ... post3161752

The proprietors of DealExtreme and their counterfeiters must be chortling with glee...
 
Wow, scary! I'm so glad that I got the real-deal Eneloop batteries. I bought mine from Battery Junction recently and I have no regrets with my Eneloop purchase or any other stuff that I bought from there.
 
Bones said:
The proprietors of DealExtreme and their counterfeiters must be chortling with glee...
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Funnily enough, I did go back to DX and informed them that they had provided me with fake eneloops by showing them the discharge data I collected as well as the pictures (yes, the same ones sent to Sanyo), and they've come back to me saying that they'll replace them.

As you all would have probably guessed by now, this is not my preferred outcome because there is a 99.99% chance that the replacements they're sending me will be fake as well.

One other thing, with the fake eneloops, the MH-C9000 is simply eating up the wrapping. Every time I take it out of the charger, the negative charging point catch onto the wrapping. This does not happen to genuine eneloops.
 
Rod911 said:
Funnily enough, I did go back to DX and informed them that they had provided me with fake eneloops by showing them the discharge data I collected as well as the pictures (yes, the same ones sent to Sanyo), and they've come back to me saying that they'll replace them.

As you all would have probably guessed by now, this is not my preferred outcome because there is a 99.99% chance that the replacements they're sending me will be fake as well.
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Many thanks for the update Rod911, and please do let us know what DX replaces their counterfeit cells with.

Rod911 said:
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One other thing, with the fake eneloops, the MH-C9000 is simply eating up the wrapping. Every time I take it out of the charger, the negative charging point catch onto the wrapping. This does not happen to genuine eneloops.
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Insofar as the MH-C9000's tendency to tear wrappers on lessor quality cells is concerned, you may find this post helpful:

http://www.candlepowerforums.com ... post2810241
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