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[jcalvert]

I already have the 1 X 18650 L2P body. Will the MPP-1 Head gives it's max throw with just one 18520? Or will I need an extender (2X18650)as well?

vin,

Disclaimer: I'm not an expert with electronics.

With that clarified, according to the specs, the MPP-1 maxes out at 275 lumens w/ 3x18650s. If you add another extension to accommodate (4) 18650s, you'll extend the runtime from 2.5 hours to 3.5 hours, but not the lumens. So lux will be maximized with 3x18650s since the head can accommodate only 16 total volts, not 16.8 (which is 4 x 4.2v per 18650). Any fewer than 3x18650s will decrease throw accordingly.

http://www.solarforce-usa.com/product.sc?productId=77&categoryId=20,

http://www.sbflashlights.com/Solarforce-Lights/Solarforce-Masterpiece-PRO-1-p51.html

I have no problem being corrected if this is not right!

John

 

[roadie]

Aw I really blew it now with my thrower decision(Masterpiece W/ MCE) :-(... I sure hope it at least have some throw and at least more overall lumen and flood than the Pro-1 R2 version... I wanna cry :-(

well ...... u can always buy the correct one again , masterpiece pro-1, and start a solarforce collection like many of us here 😀

no amount of flashlight is ever enough ..... :devil:

cheer up, the mce will have some form of throw with lots of floods .... 😗

 

[roadie]

With that clarified, according to the specs, the MPP-1 maxes out at 275 lumens w/ 3x18650s.

actually u jus need 6v or more to run it(effciently) , thus many of us are using 2 x 18650/ 2 x 123a .... , not 3 x 18650 ..... as noted in the specs ..... :twothumbs

[[anyway, the only host with 3 x 18650 capability is Leef body ... which i used to own 2 of them]] = slightly expensive but worth every penny, hard to find too ....

 

[Skylumen]

U guys know what? I just started my weird interested for flashlights for about 2 months now. When i first got started i thought i was the only one. I dont know anyone in real life who like flashlights this much. Even if they do, all they care if how far does it go?! lol I still cant believe there are so many people into flashlights like me. but really, why are we so into flashlights? We rarely have much use for it too. Its a damn expensive hobby. I have already spent $600 total for my small collections/ most of which are budget Dealextreme lights too!

Ok, I am 25 years old, Single, vietnamese, currently a civil engineer...tell me what ur age and what you do for living...i just want to picture the diversity here....

Cheers to a weird *** hobby!

 

[jcalvert]

actually u jus need 6v or more to run it(effciently) , thus many of us are using 2 x 18650/ 2 x 123a .... , not 3 x 18650 ..... as noted in the specs ..... :twothumbs

[[anyway, the only host with 3 x 18650 capability is Leef body ... which i used to own 2 of them]] = slightly expensive but worth every penny, hard to find too ....

roadie,

Efficient yes, but vin wants max, so he needs more than 6v. Even to get 250 lumens vs. 275 lumen potential, you need 2x18650s for 8.4v running at full capacity.

John

 

[roadie]

wow a civil engineer ...... :thumbsup:

(err ... no X , sorrie not going to 'spell' out my poop life , in the internet ...)

well, u can always sell somethings in the cpfmp, i 'seen' yr a/c there ... 😀

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jc.... 2 x 18650 = max 8.4v to min 7.2v to delepted 5.6v

therefore its enough ....

 

[jcalvert]

wow a civil engineer ...... :thumbsup:

(err ... no X , sorrie not going to 'spell' out my poop life , in the internet ...)

well, u can always sell somethings in the cpfmp, i 'seen' yr a/c there ... 😀

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jc.... 2 x 18650 = max 8.4v to min 7.2v to delepted 5.6v

therefore its enough ....

Assuming both 18650s run down at the same rate, won't the light die at 7.6v (3.8v death rate each)?

 

[jcalvert]

U guys know what? I just started my weird interested for flashlights for about 2 months now. When i first got started i thought i was the only one. I dont know anyone in real life who like flashlights this much. Even if they do, all they care if how far does it go?! lol I still cant believe there are so many people into flashlights like me. but really, why are we so into flashlights? We rarely have much use for it too. Its a damn expensive hobby. I have already spent $600 total for my small collections/ most of which are budget Dealextreme lights too!

Ok, I am 25 years old, Single, vietnamese, currently a civil engineer...tell me what ur age and what you do for living...i just want to picture the diversity here....

Cheers to a weird *** hobby!

vin,

I am a prematurely retired medical device sales engineer who is using CPF to learn things I didn't know before and to entertain myself while I recover from a second total hip replacement. I'm just buying my time until I can officially be released from physical restrictions by my surgeon and then get out hunting with my son.

Becoming a member of CPF began with a desire to find a better flashlight for all of our family's outdoor activities and for self-defense. After I'm released from my temporary prison, you probably won't hear much from me anymore.

John

 

[Skylumen]

[FONT=&quot] 18650 battery x 1, at approx. 200 lumens: 2.5 hrs[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18650 battery x 2, at approx. 275 lumens: 1.5 hrs [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18650 battery x 3, at approx. 275 lumens: 2.5 hrs [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18650 battery x 4, at approx. 275 lumens: 3.5 hrs[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Fully charge an 18650 will reach 4.2V[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]2X18650 = 8.4V =>Max275 Lumens. More battery only increases runtime. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]But hey, any battery configurations more than 4.2 volt will still get u 200 Lumens. Once you go pass 8.4V you aren't getting anymore brightness like halogen lights. Hmm…increase runtime but no more brightness? I always thought you can only increase runtime if you put batteries in parallel?! And Series configuration will add brightness. This must be due to the construction of how a LED lits. I might have to google this..[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Let say [/FONT]
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[jcalvert]

[FONT=&quot] 18650 battery x 1, at approx. 200 lumens: 2.5 hrs[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18650 battery x 2, at approx. 275 lumens: 1.5 hrs [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18650 battery x 3, at approx. 275 lumens: 2.5 hrs [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18650 battery x 4, at approx. 275 lumens: 3.5 hrs[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Fully charge an 18650 will reach 4.2V[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]2X18650 = 8.4V =>Max275 Lumens. More battery only increases runtime. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]But hey, any battery configurations more than 4.2 volt will still get u 200 Lumens. Once you go pass 8.4V you aren't getting anymore brightness like halogen lights. Hmm…increase runtime but no more brightness? I always thought you can only increase runtime if you put batteries in parallel?! And Series configuration will add brightness. This must be due to the construction of how a LED lits. I might have to google this..[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Let say [/FONT]

Actually vin, 2x18650 is approximately 250 lumens, not 275. So 2x18650 does increase lux as a result of greater lumens in conjunction with the right type of reflector such as the deep, smooth reflector of the MPP-1. Correction: You still need 3x18650s or 12.6v, for max lumen potential of 275 and 350 meter lux potential, after which you only increase runtime, according to Solarforce's specs.

OK guys, it's bedtime...I'll check back later. Thanks for the fun!

John

 

[roadie]

Assuming both 18650s run down at the same rate, won't the light die at 7.6v (3.8v death rate each)?

this question ..... hmmmm, i think so.... been running lots of 2 x 18650, and charge it on my hobby charger ... well its drainning the same .... else we had to ask the batteries "gurus" 😱

anyway, base on my current light, i can use 2 x 18650 normally, if one fine day, i go off-grid(camping), i can always pop it with 4 x 123a without modding the light 🙂

the light will 'die'/off when the amps (capacity) in the 18650 is used up, not with volts ..... 😀

if not wrong, the spec tablet shows with more than 2 x 18650, is telling the consumer that its torch head has max voltage is 18v ...... thus when the voltage drops in the 18650 before the amps are being used up, it (circuits) shall have an constant delivery of more than 6 v to run it ..... therefore a 'longer' run time .....

 

[jcalvert]

[FONT=&quot] 18650 battery x 1, at approx. 200 lumens: 2.5 hrs[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18650 battery x 2, at approx. 275 lumens: 1.5 hrs [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18650 battery x 3, at approx. 275 lumens: 2.5 hrs [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18650 battery x 4, at approx. 275 lumens: 3.5 hrs[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Fully charge an 18650 will reach 4.2V[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]2X18650 = 8.4V =>Max275 Lumens. More battery only increases runtime. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]But hey, any battery configurations more than 4.2 volt will still get u 200 Lumens. Once you go pass 8.4V you aren't getting anymore brightness like halogen lights. Hmm…increase runtime but no more brightness? I always thought you can only increase runtime if you put batteries in parallel?! And Series configuration will add brightness. This must be due to the construction of how a LED lits. I might have to google this..[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Let say [/FONT]

vin,

Before I go to bed, I wanted to mention why we had different lumen figures at 2x18650, the Solarforce and SBFlashlights list those differently. Solarforce lists 250 and SB lists 275. OK, now I'm going to bed!

John

 

[roadie]

OK, guess what i jus did ... kekekee

i went to dismantle my light and test with 1 - 4 18650 ...

1 x 18650 = 430 ma
2 x 18650 = 900 ma
3 x 18650 = 600 ma
4 x 18650 = 440 ma

all measurements are taken my old crappy MM ......

thus why using more batteries will result a longer runtime ....

1 x ... undervolt so disgard it ... kekkee

if based on my trustfire 2400mah,

2 x 18650 draws @ 900mah , = 2400/900 = 2.667 hr

3 x 18650 draws @ 600mah, = 2400/600 = 4hr

4 x 18650 draws @ 440mah, = 2400/440 = 5.45 hr

estimation lah, not field tested ..... 😀

as i said, before the juice(amps/capacity) finish, the voltage will drop when used .... , maintaining an above 6 volt .... shld be achieve ....

 

[Skylumen]

🙂 got it

 

[Skylumen]

Ok Yall,

I got my UltraFire HS-802 ($25) today in the mail. Here is what I think...

1. Very Ringy
2. Throws far but spot too small
3. Build quality is worst of all my lights. Same level as X2000 quality.
4. Throws better than C78 on 14500 and X2000 but not as useful cuz spot is so small
5. Cheap light Sabre
6. If you are indoor you can ceiling bounce and have good light for maneuvering.
7. Don't buy this light unless u really want a tiny throw spot that goes far. But for what?!

I do not recommend this light! I rather have less throw but more usable light. Even the the Romisen RC-C5 1X18650 with Q3 has Medium throw and usable light. The C78 on 14500 is a better thrower my opinion.

I will post my opinion and beam shot of my MCE Masterpiece when it comes home.

 

[Skylumen]

Did I mention that I am really dissapointed with the hs-802?? :-( piece of crap!

 

[cccpull]

Did I mention that I am really dissapointed with the hs-802?? :-( piece of crap!

This type light works for hunting with a scope, spotting something far away with binoculars, or just playing around.
If you hate the "useless" throw on this light, you're going to love the "useful" flood and mid-range of the MCE. :twothumbs

 

[jcalvert]

Did I mention that I am really dissapointed with the hs-802?? :-( piece of crap!

Hi vin,

Sorry to hear your report on the 802. It seems there is something to the saying that you get what you pay for, right?

Anyway, with a new lesson learned, can you just return it?

Then you can put the $ toward the SF MPP-1 head w/ L2p host for around $90 as we talked about. You will then have a good quality thrower in the MPP-1 and floody/little less thrower combo in the SF Cree MCE. Would that fit your budget?

John

 

[Skylumen]

Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy for the more "usable" light in the MCE. As you can see, my vision is not great and I don't wear glasses all the time. So i like it BRIGHT! No teny weeny spot ever gonna make me happy. LOL

 

[Skylumen]

John,

I love all flashlights! As long as it shines, there is a place in my heart for it. I just don't like its performance. It doesn't satisfy me but I still want to keep it in my collection. U know the love but don't like dilemma...Its like this. I Love my parents! But I don't like them very much. They annoy me. I bet some of you love your wife too, but you like the next door neighbor alot more.. ;-) same concept.