Fenix HM61R ticking all the boxes?

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Just got mine, after being strictly a Zebralight kinda guy for the last 12 years. I keep upgrading when they put out a substantially better model, and the old ones get relegated to car glove compartment, bedside table etc. I decided to try the Fenix because it's cheaper and has some actual advantages over ZL. Not sure yet how/where it will be deployed.

Mostly happy but there are some major downsides, the main one being the hotspot. All my ZLs are pure flood except a couple that are "floody". I only use them for two things, close-up worklight, and "be seen" light on bike helmet. For both of those, I want a flood. I know this is personal preference and there is a place for a light with more throw, but not for my uses. Someone please let me know if this light comes in a flood version and I just screwed up ordering the wrong SKU.

The other annoyance is that it doesn't take flat-top cells, which is all of mine. I guess this is probably a FAQ -- where do I get a tiny magnet to attach to my flat-tops to give them a button on the + end?

Lest I sound too negative, there's lots to like. I love the snap-in cradle on the headband -- ZL's is a pain by comparison. It's brilliant how the pocket clip can stay attached when it's in the headband.

I love how the ZL steps down in power mode when the battery is low, and I think I'm going to hate the behavior of the Fenix when it plunges me into darkness with no warning. Does anyone think that's a feature and not a bug? When would you want that?

I'll never use the USB charger, because I always have a bunch of charged cells lying around, so I'll just swap one of those in and put the dead one in the charger. The tail-cap magnet might be useful someday, but not in my normal usage, so that feature is pretty neutral for me.

I got the first-timer's 20% off deal, so I'm happy, but at regular retail I think I'd rather pay a bit more for a ZL. Fenix hasn't converted me with this light.

Mark B in Seattle
 

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I love how the ZL steps down in power mode when the battery is low, and I think I'm going to hate the behavior of the Fenix when it plunges me into darkness with no warning. Does anyone think that's a feature and not a bug? When would you want that?
Marc B seriously your 5th post in 10years? great to see you posting here then appreciated:wave:

I once owned the Zebralight 16340 headlamp with PID and h*ted that feature, i found it too distracting and annoying. Now all ZL lights have PID and buyers seem to enjoy it, so my exceptional opinion doesn't count.

The Fenix has a diffusing plastic lens which makes the beam less hotspotty. There is a hotspot, sure, but at the same time it is a floody light (because of the funny lens). There are no different versions of the HM61R, other than the Czech version with AMBER tint.

The op mentioned that the light needs a 18650 battery with a protruding top and that i use a 18650 protected battery with a tiny magnet. ebay is my goto source for magnets but i also bought some off of BG, GB, FT, AX, etc. Anyway, the HM61R product package comes with a FREE 3500mAh protected Fenix battery with protruding top. If Fenix implements a mechanical reverse polarity protection, then usually i doht complain but say thank you fenis. My effing Zebralight AA light does not have any reverse polarity protection, neither mechanical nor physical nor electrical nor electronical, *ucks! :shakehead

Years ago I had never thought that i would use the recharging capability of my liion lights. But nowadays the lazy in me leaves the TM15 hooked to the power brick barrel plug charger every night (it's been "years" since i last opened the TM15 battery compartment), the Xiaomi phone hooked to the micro-USB charging cable all the time, and the Fenix light hooked to the magnetic charging cable all the time, with no detrimental effect. I doht like micro-USB charging ports (they are not long-lived!), so i understand why people doht use the micro-USB charging capability on their Klarus lights and whatnot. But Nietcore barrel plugs and this Fenix airtight watertight dusttight magnetic port?? They are game changers and very satisfactory to use. Robust, should last a lifetime, with thousands of plugging und unplugging, and super convenient.

The tail magnet found some great use today when the plumber did his maintenance work. He had his own personal light with tail magnet, an Olight 16340 flashlight but he couldn't make use of his because the Olight is straight not L-angled. He attached my magnetic Fenis to some pipe (or similar) in horizontal position and rotated the HM61R to position the beam on his work piece. Very cool. :thumbsup:
Let's be clear: If you buy a 18650 light for work (i.e. a work light), then it must have a magnetic tail. It adds so much to the versatility, and from one point on you wouldn't want to accept a 18650 work light without it. Sure, if you work in an environment surrounded by plastics only, then the magnetic tail doesn't function. lol.

Last but not least your quote. The Fenix never plunges to darkness, at least not without some warning in the meantime:

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If you start on the higher modes, the light steps down from constant brightness to a noticeably lower level (again for constant brightness), and then later yet again to another lower level. When you realize that the light must have stepped down, it's also your realization that it's time to recharge the battery or to swap in a fresh battery. Before the Fenix leaves you in the dark, it gives you sufficient hints that you're running low on battery and should take some action.
But it is true that the Fenix offers constant brightness regulation (plus thermal regulation) which i wanted ymmv. As mentioned, i h*ted the Zebralight's PID, which meant in practice that the Zebralight brightness was never constant wtf :duh2:. ZL PID is constantly microstepping down or microstepping up the current, which means that the current is smartly electronically regulated (yes!) but also that the brightness is changing all the time (argh!).

Constant brightness for long runtimes and at "realistic/practical/conservative/safe/sustainable" high-lumens levels is what you get out of the Fenis. High efficiency, with no plunges into the dark. I wanted to clarify this point, we need to get our facts straight.

And again, the only(!) confirmed negatives of the HM61R product (compared to the direct competition) are the greenish hotspot tint on the lower modes (tint fetishists please stay away from HM61R and HM61R AMBER; i haven't experienced the HM61R AMBER tint, but better to err on the side of caution, the benefit of the doubt), and the questionable longevity/spare part availability of the plasticky holder.

Anyone else who got the light and likes it as much as i do? :poke:
 
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The Fenix never plunges to darkness, at least not without some warning in the meantime
I get near 4 hours on high (400 lm)with a tiny stepdown at some point, then a significant reduction for 15 min., then firefly.
Anyone else who got the light and likes it as much as i do?

I'm very satisfied with it, a huge step up from the Fenix HL 50.
 

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I'm a big fan of the HM61R! I alternate between it and my modified HL55 that has a Luminous SST40 HD LED and Vinh Nguyen's DriverVNX2 UI to manage the light output. If I need a super bright headlamp, I go with the HL55vn, since Vinh mentioned that it should be putting out ~2000lm and it'll only step down when it's getting to hot unlike the factory interface that only has 30 seconds of Boost output. Most nights when I go for a walk with the dog or have some task to accomplish the HM61R is more than adequate for my needs though.

I will say that I like the bigger buttons that Fenix has used on both the HM61R and the HL55, since you can operate the light in the colder climates when mittens or gloves are necessary.

The upgrades on the HM61R that I really appreciate over the HL55 include:
-Battery indicator
-Headband
-It's removeable the the headband mount
-Magnetic tail cap
-Magnetic charging
-The fact that it came with a quality 18650 battery

Like I mentioned earlier, that this headlamp even converted my dad to a headlamp guy after I bought him one for his birthday. I may have even convinced a friend of ours to pick one up here in the future. He was really impressed with the magnetic tail cap. I try to spread the word about the HM61R as much as I can without being too annoying. Haha
 

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Marc B seriously your 5th post in 10years?

What can I say, not a flashaholic, just a guy who uses them for work and play. I see the attraction, and I am in no way putting down the people who nerd out over flashlights – they're cool and worth nerding out over. I just have different things that I am a nerd for.

I once owned the Zebralight 16340 headlamp with PID and h*ted that feature, i found it too distracting and annoying. Now all ZL lights have PID and buyers seem to enjoy it, so my exceptional opinion doesn't count.

I don't know what PID means, but if it means dropping down in brightness before the battery is empty, then yes I like that. The brightness of the ZL seems (to my uneducated eye) very constant, until that threshold is hit, then it steps down enough, all at once, that I notice it, and I know it's time to switch cells.

The Fenix has a diffusing plastic lens which makes the beam less hotspotty. There is a hotspot, sure, but at the same time it is a floody light (because of the funny lens).

Yeah I have to admit that after using it a while, it's not that bad. I still prefer a pure flood with no hotspot, but this is livable, not a dealbreaker.

The op mentioned that the light needs a 18650 battery with a protruding top and that i use a 18650 protected battery with a tiny magnet. ebay is my goto source for magnets but i also bought some off of BG, GB, FT, AX, etc. Anyway, the HM61R product package comes with a FREE 3500mAh protected Fenix battery with protruding top. If Fenix implements a mechanical reverse polarity protection, then usually i doht complain but say thank you fenis. My effing Zebralight AA light does not have any reverse polarity protection, neither mechanical nor physical nor electrical nor electronical, *ucks! :shakehead

I don't know what "BG, GB, FT, AX" means, but yeah I don't expect much trouble finding a magnet. I only need one, that will stay with the light and get transferred to each battery that goes in. I was hoping for some guidance in terms of what diameter and height to buy, but I doubt it's too critical -- I'll take a stab at it and it'll probably work out fine.

BTW the last few ZLs I bought have reverse polarity protection, but they work with flat-top cells. So I don't see what the connection is.

Years ago I had never thought that i would use the recharging capability of my liion lights.

My problem is, I use the light for long sessions that can drain even a fully charged cell. I need to be able to swap in a charged one to keep working, or riding in the case of my bike helmet lights.

Let's be clear: If you buy a 18650 light for work (i.e. a work light), then it must have a magnetic tail.

Hmm, I can't imagine ever taking it off my head, for working. With a floody headlight, everywhere you look is lit. The light source being so close to your eyes means you never see any shadows, or not worth mentioning. Seems to me, sticking the magnet to anything is going to be inferior to having it on my head.

Last but not least your quote. The Fenix never plunges to darkness, at least not without some warning in the meantime:

OK then great, I misunderstood. A previous poster (Maybe OP) said something about it not stepping down. I am glad that it does step down before the battery is empty – that's all I ask!

Thanks for taking the time to reply in such detail.

Cheers
Mark
 

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Thx also for your detailed feedback! :wave:

I don't know what PID means, but if it means dropping down in brightness before the battery is empty, then yes I like that. The brightness of the ZL seems (to my uneducated eye) very constant,
The newer ZL models have "PID thermal regulated outputs", which means that the regulation uses a named continuous immediate electronic feedback loop for the current control. A cheap marketing trick to throw in unnecessary technical terms which sound fancy/superior but are the most common thing among the competition (like saying "has reflectorless polycarbonate UV-filter impact resistant diffusion 21st century optics" instead of simply saying that the light has a "has cheap plastic lens which gets easily scratched and ruined by contact with chemicals" :crazy:). Against the white wall my trained eye can see the effect of the ZL thermal regulation resulting in continuous non-constant brightness, changing with maybe 0.5Hz. Ah never mind, this is a fenis thread lol. The fenis has thermal protection after all too. For further discussion of PID, please check the Zebralight threads.

I was hoping for some guidance in terms of what diameter and height to buy,
Nerds understand the abbreviations for banggood gearbest fasttech aliexpress, these are infamous online shopping websites with headquarters in the china. A popular magnet size for use as battery top is Ø5.0mm×1.5mm, and it's what i use too.

BTW the last few ZLs I bought have reverse polarity protection, but they work with flat-top cells.
electronic reverse polarity protection (RPP) has its advantages and disadvantages, an electrical engineer could lecture you on that topic. my ZL doesn't have any kind of reverse polarity protection. the disadvantage of mechanical is that some flatter tops need a magnet. the advantage is that they're fail-safer (this is a point which cannot be argued or it'll become offtopic), so i prefer and love them mechanicals. You would have preferred the fenis with an electronic RPP, i prefer the fenis as it is, mechanical, ymmv.

Hmm, I can't imagine ever taking it off my head, for working. With a floody headlight, everywhere you look is lit. The light source being so close to your eyes means you never see any shadows, or not worth mentioning. Seems to me, sticking the magnet to anything is going to be inferior to having it on my head.
woht argue with that, all good there. just saying that, in yesterday's plumber example, the tail magnet came in handy (and i wouldn't have wanted his sweaty stinky greasy hair to have worn my fenis headband yuck haha :green:, and maybe he wouldn't have wanted to ruin his hair style through the headband). Also there are instances where i want my work light to generate shadows from a sideways angle. Example, lighting up dust or else on a flat surface which i am about to clean; i regard hours of cleaning as work ymmv. Whether you doht use the magnet or not, in the more general case it is better to have it than not to have it, just in case. Can't be argued. That's the whole reason why fenis armytek olight nietcore and and and released their headlamps wiv a tail magnet. It's an enrichment, in general. In particular, not for everybody. I understand.

Btw i like Zebralight a lot, they're iconic nietch. Iirc they were the first to make a splash in the cpf headlamp scene, and they're still the #1 at making the lightweightest products of their kind (exception: my Olight H1 Nova is lightweighter than any ZL 16340 headlamps). Well, the fenis has two(!) added magnets (the magnetic tail, and the magnetic charging port), and i make use of either and wouldn't want to miss them, so that adds to the flashlight weight. Without the two magnets, the fenis would weigh as little as a zebra (nice claim kreisl!! haha). So for people, who want ultimate lightweight (e.g. for jogging) and would never use the two magnets, the zebralight would be the better choice. :thumbsup:
 
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-Headband
-It's removeable the the headband mount
haha, funny post, thanks for sharing!

Btw the headband itself, i.e. without the plastic mount/holder, is available as official spare part, Fenix AFH-02 Headband Special Edition (MSRP US$9.95). Amazon and fenis distributors carry it already. It's a pity that the plastic mount/holder is not included in the AFH-02 product, and afaik it is not available as spare part.
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We should report back as soon as one of us owners managed:D to break the plastic mount. Armytek A01203 (MSRP US$3.20) is the spare part number for the headband including the plastic mount/holder. Could the Armytek holder be used on AFH-02 and for HM61R? :confused: Goinggear lists A01203 as "Discontinued" anyway. My local Armytek dealer sells the plastic mount for EUR2.50 mas shipping. Nice price but the Fenix diameter is prolly too slim for the Armytek plastic holder anyway:
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If in distant future all fails, we could use a standard silicone holder?
 
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because of the physical reverse polarity protection the battery should have a protruding defined button top. i use a generic protected NCR18650B, which has a wide top, with a neodymium magnet as a defined button top for a total of 70.5mm length
Fenix claims/advertises that the light has "◎Reverse polarity protection, to protect from improper battery insertion". I re-examined and can confirm that the RPP has to be physical/mechanical. It is difficult to take depth measurements but with a Stanley blade as reference level, i am getting 71.25 for the center and 4x 71.1 for the brass(?) donut, so there is indeed a clearance of about 0.15mm which is veeery scarce.

After installing a 0.70mm spacer (2x0.35 paperboard), the light still works with the supplied Fenix 3500 battery and i also get more consistent depth measurements. With a Stanley blade as reference level, 71.25 (raised solder point) vs 4×70.4 (donut), that's a 0.85mm clearance, interesting, nice! As it appears, the light does not need a spacer mod after all. I am adding a loose 1×0.35mm paperboard spacer anyway because i doht like the look of the donut (is it lathed aluminum? is it installed brass? for sure it is metal, and metal is a conductor yikes:crazy:).
 
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haha, funny post, thanks for sharing!

Btw the headband itself, i.e. without the plastic mount/holder, is available as official spare part, Fenix AFH-02 Headband Special Edition (MSRP US$9.95). Amazon and fenis distributors carry it already. It's a pity that the plastic mount/holder is not included in the AFH-02 product, and afaik it is not available as spare part.
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We should report back as soon as one of us owners managed:D to break the plastic mount. Armytek A01203 (MSRP US$3.20) is the spare part number for the headband including the plastic mount/holder. Could the Armytek holder be used on AFH-02 and for HM61R? :confused: Goinggear lists A01203 as "Discontinued" anyway. My local Armytek dealer sells the plastic mount for EUR2.50 mas shipping. Nice price but the Fenix diameter is prolly too slim for the Armytek plastic holder anyway:
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If in distant future all fails, we could use a standard silicone holder?

No problem, I'm happy to get the word out about this headlamp.:twothumbs

Yeah, I saw that they have that all black headband out there now.
https://www.fenix-store.com/fenix-afh-02-headband-special-edition/

You can buy the HM61R Black on these two sites.
https://scandinavianoutdoor.com/fenix/gear/lighting/head-lamps/hm61r-black/
https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/fenix-hm61r-black-edition-headlamp/63321

You could buy the HM61R Ruby if you're looking for a Neutral White(NW) tint. They say the tint is 4500k. I wish I had the money to buy it just to see the differences and try it out.:broke:
https://www.kronium.cz/nabijeci-celovka-fenix-hm61r-amber/prod_2217.html

Granted I don't know why you would if you buy it on those sites, when you could buy both the HM61R and the special edition headband at https://www.fenix-store.com/ for less if you're a first time customer and use the 20% off they offer to first time customers.

I honestly don't think you would have to buy a new holder for the light. Fenix would more than likely warrant the holder and send you a new one, at least that's my experience when I emailed them about the headband on my HL55 being all stretched out to the point that it wasn't staying in place like it used to. Fenix just asked me for the Serial Number(SN) that's on the light and my address, then about 2 weeks later a new headband and top strap showed up at my place. I really don't see one of the holders breaking super easy and would probably have to be dropped from a pretty good height to break it and if it were to fall from a substantial height and the light was in the holder as well, you'd have more problems than just a broken holder imo.

The only way to know if the Armytek holder will work, would to be to buy it and give it a try. Unless someone has both lights and could see if it works.:poke:
 

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The only way to know if the Armytek holder will work, would to be to buy it and give it a try. Unless someone has both lights and could see if it works.:poke:
yah, let's not worry much about the plastic holder. if it breaks in a freak accident, i would ask Fenix manufacturer (not distributor) for help first. I forecast the HM61R flashlight to survive tens of years (it has a 2m drop impact resistance rating, etc) around my house, but the product and spare parts might get discontinued much sooner. we all know how fast the Chinese product market is moving, nothing stays available in production/sale/storage forever.

@jirik_cz has both the Armytek headband and the Fenix. Unfortunately he isn't much around on cpf. I am really interested in knowing if the Armytek holder is acceptably usable for our headlamp.

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You said -20% OFF? I am thinking about getting a second copy, soon.
 
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Granted I don't know why you would if you buy it on those sites, when you could buy both the HM61R and the special edition headband at https://www.fenix-store.com/ for less if you're a first time customer and use the 20% off they offer to first time customers.
European here, actually,Fenix US isn't shipping to Europe, so sadly, no discount for us.
 

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European here, actually,Fenix US isn't shipping to Europe, so sadly, no discount for us.

That sucks to hear! It would be nice if there was either some store in Europe that offered 20% off to first time customers or something could be worked out with the Fenix US that you could still get 20% off, but would have to pay $15 for International shipping or something like that...

Hopefully you can get one if you haven't already picked one up.
 

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Hopefully you can get one if you haven't already picked one up.
I paid 85 Euro ( 100 $ ), so yes, a 20% discount would have been welcome.
but remember: "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten." Benjamin Franklin.
But I am extremely satisfied with my first 18650 light.
 

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Fenix claims/advertises that the light has "◎Reverse polarity protection, to protect from improper battery insertion". I re-examined and can confirm that the RPP has to be physical/mechanical.
Lol. Con fusion's perfect. I emailed Fenis China, asking very clearly what kind of RPP is implemented in the HM61R, physical/mechanical or electronic/electrical. They emailed me back, also with a very clear (and official?) answer:
cocoATfenis said:
"It is electronic."
Interesting.

But I doht necessarily trust that answer. And maybe the question doesn't matter, since the light is, also clearly, advertised as having RPP, so wth cares which kind of RPP it really has. They say it's electronic, i say that my measurements hint at mechanical ymmv (and that i've added a 0.35mm paperboard spacer just to be extra safe).

Here a relevant example battery, my blue UltraFire4000 has a button top which protrudes by only 0.5mm (relative to the blue shoulder). It works nicely in the unmodded HM61R. As soon as i add the 0.35mm paperboard spacer, the light stops working, which means that a protrusion of 0.15mm is not enough to make contact:
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What's interesting is that the UltraFire4000 has also a protruding bottom. It's difficult to measure, but the battery's (-)pole is raised by up to 0.20mm. If you try to measure the battery length with a metallic caliper, you'd short the battery, ouch. In any case, a raised bottom center could jeopardize the functionality of the mechanical RPP. Btw imho the mechanical RPP is not the brass donut but the two raised bars around the center raised (convex? concave?) contact disc. These bars are at the ~same level as the brass donut. If my measurements are correct, then it'd mean that a smooth flat bottom could not make contact with the center contact disc, regardless of the brass donut:
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Eneloops have a raised bottom too, i.e. on a smooth flat metallic surface (like your metallic calipers) the Eneloop bottom would make electrical contact. In contrast, the bottom of the Sanyo 14500 battery would not make contact with your metallic calipers:
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EDIT: I took re-measurements and discovered that not the ring is the RPP but the inner pair of bars. They are raised by over 0.4mm higher than the centerpluspole, meaning that there is a clearance of at least 0.4mm when a flat battery bottom is installed reversely, nice! This is how structural RPP is implemented, well done Fenis:
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But I am extremely satisfied with my first 18650 light.
In the op i mentioned that early sale units could be had for ~56$ shipped, now i've ordered a second unit for ~60$ shipped; however i understand that not everyone feels comfortable ordering from chinese vendors like aliexpress, alibaba, and so on. Btw some of these vendors like Gearbest used to be CPF dealers iirc. @linpp , congrats to the purchase of this top quality 18650 light! I believe the first thing that will fail will be the shiny plastic wrapper of the Fenix 3500mAh battery. I have enough experience with cracking plastic shrink wraps by XTAR, EAGLETAC, OLIGHT, TRUSTFIRE, etc, it's a shame. How do you like the tint of the light?
 
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In the op i mentioned that early sale units could be had for ~56$ shipped, now i've ordered a second unit for ~60$ shipped;

thank you for the tip, I think I might order a second one as well,€ 56 is the cheapest offer I could find on Ali, not bad, although I guess the lower price probably has consequences as far as guarantee is concerned, none I presume.

I am using my HM 61 about 50% of the time out of the headband, so if I do get a second one I'll use it just as hand-held torch I think.
How do you like the tint of the light?

I'm a tiny bit colourblind so I can't see the greenish tint you wrote about, but overall I'm very satisfied about the tint, for my eyes it is very near cold daylight, the old HL50 has a definite yellow tint, more like sunset.
I have been using the light the last few days outfitting my new van, plywood sides, installing tie bolts etc.
Quite a bit of fitting, sawing, drilling, like you I alternate between setting 3 and 4, depending on the distance.

This one is actually the third 18650 light I tried out, I received the Zebra H604d, which is pure flood, although I use the light mainly for work I still didn't like the fact that there was no spot at all.
I want to try out the H600F which is floody, but this light is not available right now.
I also tried the Armitek wizard pro V3,which I didn't really like, especially the temperature, too hot for my liking.
 

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When using as hand-held torch, people could attach a wrist strap at the pocket clip (there's a convenient hole), me thinks for extra silly security. Just saying, some of us like attaching a lanyard on our tools. I haven't dropped my fenis yet but i have covered head and tail with duct tape haha to prevent scratches. There's nothing wrong with keeping cherished tools in best-looking condition for continuous joy :kiss:

Zebras should be lightweighter (because of two missing magnets), have higher energetic efficiency (ZL's trademark) and nicer tint (tint options to choose from). But this fenis is lightweight, has high efficiency, and is also really compact. Tint on mode3, mode4, mode5, very acceptable, no concern, better than yellow or hot tint imho.

So do you still have hands on the H604d or the Wizard Pro V3, what happened?

Congrats to the new van! Sounds like some wonderful times ahead! :huh: :thumbsup:

( buying from Ali, i doht expect warranty service from that vendor, he might be gone after a couple of months; vendors come and go on Ali. if there's a product problem within the first few weeks, one can get money back from seller or ali or paypal. during and beyond warranty period, fenis china is a good place to start asking for assistance. btw i doht like the fenix/nietcore/olight/cletus distributors personally in my country, as i h*te all local flashlight retailers where i live:D, i'm just wired like that:laughing:, so no wonder that i go shopping on ali, bg, gb, ft, hke, etc for flashlights and edc items )
 
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@jirik_cz has both the Armytek headband and the Fenix. Unfortunately he isn't much around on cpf. I am really interested in knowing if the Armytek holder is acceptably usable for our headlamp.

It is not a perfect fit, because Fenix holder is quite a lot larger. But if you remove the clip from HM61R, it fits the Armytek holder acceptably.

But I'm pretty sure that you can get replacement of original holder from your Fenix distributor if needed. In CZ, they offer it as a spare part. It is usefull if you use the headlamp with ALG-03 helmet mount. With spare holder you do not need to remove the headbands from holder, you just switch the holders.

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Good to know, thank you so much for the information and photos! :twothumbslovecpf
With two hm61r retail packages in da house (for a single user me hehe), i'll hopefully never have the need to order that spare part! Out of fear that it might get out of stock/discontinued in future, i should order one unit and store in safe-keeping nonetheless, better be safe than sorry?:thinking:

Meanwhile the geman fenis distributor fenix.de has stocked the spare part too, for 6.90eur mas shipping lmao. :laughing:

Now that we know that the Armytek holder provides an acceptable fit, I'd order the Armytek spare part for sure, next time i place an order with that vendor, because it's only 2.50eur nice price.
 
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McSpeed

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I believe the HM65R ticks all the boxes. All lights are a set of compromises. Weight? Hot spots? Cost? From a pure utility perspective, the HMR65R ticks all the boxes. Using two separate lights in one is the answer. Use the flood for closer up needs without hot spots. Use the spot for illuminating distances. Two totally different needs served in one headlamp. All the specs are cool and fun to compare but real world is where it’s at IMO.
 

n2mb_racing

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I believe the HM65R ticks all the boxes. All lights are a set of compromises. Weight? Hot spots? Cost? From a pure utility perspective, the HMR65R ticks all the boxes. Using two separate lights in one is the answer. Use the flood for closer up needs without hot spots. Use the spot for illuminating distances. Two totally different needs served in one headlamp. All the specs are cool and fun to compare but real world is where it’s at IMO.

Is the HM65R lighter than the HM61R ?
 
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