Fenix TK40 part 3

[Mike89]

This making such fuss over the "m bin" K bin" thing is really annoying in my opinion, especially from some who say they wouldn't have bought the light if they knew they got a "K bin" or are so disappointed now, they can't get a good nights sleep anymore. I just checked mine and it's a k bin. Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. I know what this light does when I take it outside at night and whatever the hell bin it ended up being, didn't change the beam and the throw. I would challenge anyone to show there is any noticable difference outside (not from those stupid wall shots). For the ones who got the M bin, good for you, I hope you enjoy the light more now that you know that. My TK40 is still kicking some serious butt outside both before and after it found out it was a k bin. I think some people in here wouldn't know a good flashlight if it hit em square in the head cause they get so caught up in trivial crap. Unless of course it left a M bin impression on their forehead. People can work as hard as they want to try to figure out how to down this light (or Fenix). All I can say is I'm happy as a clam I have mine. Nuff said about all this nonsense.

 

[Ryanrpm]

I somewhat agree with you Mike. It is true that the difference is very minor and everyone should be thankful for anything they receive in this life.

However...if there is a chance to get the latest in technology...I'd want it.

 

[donald2036]

This making such fuss over the "m bin" K bin" thing is really annoying in my opinion, especially from some who say they wouldn't have bought the light if they knew they got a "K bin" or are so disappointed now, they can't get a good nights sleep anymore. I just checked mine and it's a k bin. Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. I know what this light does when I take it outside at night and whatever the hell bin it ended up being, didn't change the beam and the throw. I would challenge anyone to show there is any noticable difference outside (not from those stupid wall shots). For the ones who got the M bin, good for you, I hope you enjoy the light more now that you know that. My TK40 is still kicking some serious butt outside both before and after it found out it was a k bin. I think some people in here wouldn't know a good flashlight if it hit em square in the head cause they get so caught up in trivial crap. Unless of course it left a M bin impression on their forehead. People can work as hard as they want to try to figure out how to down this light (or Fenix). All I can say is I'm happy as a clam I have mine. Nuff said about all this nonsense.

What I was trying to blame on was not the light itself. I admitted the TK40 is a good light even it's with K-bin, and I'm very happy with mine as well.

What I am unhappy with is that Fenix had lied, saying to his customer that they have no plans to upgrade the bin. So, I bought my tk40 after their clarification, and now disappointted to see M-bin is on the market. :tired:

 

[flasherByNight]

so return it...pretty easy fix

 

[jirik_cz]

Don't panic guys , both versions should have at least 630 advertised (bulb) lumens 😉

 

[exodus125]

Yes, that was an assumption. But what is fact is that Fenix has mixed their TK40 with K & M bin, and that's absolutely unfair to a portion of customer, especially I believe most of the pre-orders are with K-bins, whilst, most of the pre-orders are hardcore Fenix fans. And that I'm just disappointted how Fenix treat their fans.

You might not probably care about the 16%, but that doesn't mean somebody else don't care.

I totally agree with you. Fenix should treat their customers, especially there more loyal ones, with a little more respect. HOWEVER, I heard a few warn to wait until the "bugs" are fixed. You didn't want to wait, so now you get a K bin with 16% less light, power, or whatever that 16% represents.

With that said, if anyone wants to sell their tk40 k bin to me at a good price, I would buy it.

 

[Da_Pilot]

I somewhat agree with Mike89 in the sense that its pointless to fuss over something that is not visible to the naked eye. However, like RyanRPM and Donald2036 mentioned, I feel that there is an injustice.

Here is the latest email i received from Fenix about the Bins and I promise this will be my last post regarding this issue.....

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[FONT=宋体]Hello ******
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[FONT=宋体]All the TK40 are designed to be 630 lumens, and the price is set accordingly, so it seems not meaningful to check out whether it's"M" or "K" bin MCE LED, they are used mixed. [/FONT]

Hopefully, the TK40 will bring you great surprise during your future use, at the same time, please make sure the correct installation of 8 AA battery, especially the anode and cathode, otherwise, it will cause the battery leakage which do harm to the light.

Best regards!
[FONT=宋体] [/FONT]

Sincerely Joyce
Fenix Service Team
Website: www.fenixlight.com
Tel: 86-0755-29631183
MSN: [email protected]

 

[Mike89]

What I am unhappy with is that Fenix had lied,

Where is the lie? They seem to be mixed, either kbin or mbin. Probably chose what was available for the quantities of lights made. It would be one thing is all first lights came out with kbin and then they quietly switched to mbin. That doesn't seem to be the case, and doesn't even make sense to do that. If they were going to switch to a more powerful light (I've yet to be convinced one would be superior to the other), they would advertise that, it would make good business sense to do so. They never advertised a specific bin that their light would be or it would have been in the advertisements of the light stats.

 

[BrightMan]

Before ordering, I will ask my retailer if he can check the serial number and send me an M-Bin.
16% are not really important, but I want the best technology for such a professional LED flashlight...

 

[bill_n_opus]

When people want the best for their money ... it's not surprising that some would be annoyed or upset when some people get a "higher" bin than other people given the same product.

I wouldn't say "lied" though - that's going too far.

It's like you bought a ferrari ... and the performance is within claimed specs and you're happy with it.

Then you find out that the same lineup has two different engines with one possessing 45 more horsepower when the claimed rated HP was 425 for said model.

Naturally, you want the higher rated model.

However, Fenix did not "lie" since their rated output was within specs.

It's just kinda weird they didn't take the time to break up the models to reflect either a K or an M bin (+10 dollars, for example)

 

[exodus125]

Before ordering, I will ask my retailer if he can check the serial number and send me an M-Bin.
16% are not really important, but I want the best technology for such a professional LED flashlight...

Seriously, if I'm coughing up 150 for a flashlight I better be getting whatever version is the best.

 

[exodus125]

I wouldn't say "lied" though - that's going too far...However, Fenix did not "lie" since their rated output was within specs.

It's just kinda weird they didn't take the time to break up the models to reflect either a K or an M bin (+10 dollars, for example)

I disagree, I remember reading on one of the tk40 threads that one of the fenix guys from a light show said something about a newer MCE coming out in a few months or something.

When I heard the new, better version, was coming out, and then we were all told it was not, I new it was a lie. Now they are mixing up the bins to make everyone happy, but whats happening is its making everyone unhappy.

Look at everyone scrambling around researching serial #'s to see if its a K bin or an M bin. It's ridiculous.

Shame on Fenix for playing Russian Roulette with their customers satisfactions.

 

[Marko]

I think there is probably no visible difference with those two BINs, its just the thing that if You know its not the latest model available....? :thinking:

At LED world there will allways be better versions, and I think they try to hide this "new model" coming, since they have some "old units" still in stock? Anyway maybe if someone could test two different BINs side by side, then we'll know the real difference - if there is any?

 

[Wattnot]

I know, we'll do a blindfold test with a K and an M and see if . . . oh wait, that might not work. :devil:

Seriously, this argument could go on indefinitely with no "winner" ever. That's because you're both right. It is human nature to want the best one if all else (like price, especially) is equal. Even the people saying they don't care, deep down in a dark secret place (does a flashaholic have a "dark" place though?) they wish they had the M. But at the same time, I would bet that few if any would be able to tell any difference, even a minor one.

 

[Cartman]

My light is a K-bin and I'm a bit bummed but still happy with the light.

I wouldn't say that I'm angry, but I am surprised by Fenix's break from tradition. Many of the company's lights are sold by bin: TK-11 Q5, TK-11 R2, P2D Rebel 100, P2D Q5, etc. I guess for the TK40, they plan on not breaking down the bin for some reason. Why, I don't know, but yes, I do wish I had an M-bin but that's the breaks.

 

[torch_light_fanatic]

Hello guys, I am new to this forum so I don’t know the ethics and rules yet. If I asked a questions which have been asked before, please forgive me. I have been collecting torch lights for a while now, from totally useless one to 900 lumen one. Just wanna say hi to all. Cheers!!:laughing:

 

[donald2036]

I think there is probably no visible difference with those two BINs, its just the thing that if You know its not the latest model available....? :thinking:

At LED world there will allways be better versions, and I think they try to hide this "new model" coming, since they have some "old units" still in stock? Anyway maybe if someone could test two different BINs side by side, then we'll know the real difference - if there is any?

I don't mind which bin is brighter, it just makes me feel annoyed that I am getting a K, while someone is getting a better one - M, and we all paid the same money.

There is however a very easy way to solve this problem, they could simply put off or hide up the bin information in their online serial inquiry system, so no one knows which bin they've got, and no one will be disappointted.

 

[Jackal-Head]

I think there is probably no visible difference with those two BINs, its just the thing that if You know its not the latest model available....? :thinking:

LED binning means something different than just earlier/later models. When semiconductors are produced, there are some presently unavoidable variations in quality. After Intel or AMD have produced a batch of CPUs, for example, they test them. There will be some that don't work at all and will be discarded, some that work only at let's say 2GHz, and some that will work at 3GHz. Depending on the test data (and, let's face it, also business decisions) the processors will be differently marked and sold at different prices.

LED production is similar. Even when the latest technology is used to produce the diodes, some will have a higher output at the same current than others, i.e. they will be more efficient (there are even tint differences). Depending on this efficiency, the LEDs are sorted into bins and sold at different prices. As technology improves, eventually new bins will be introduced and, at the other end of the spectrum, older bins will be discontinued. If everyone only bought LEDs from the latest bin, then a lot of LEDs would have to be discarded right after production, greatly increasing the cost.

Personally I think Fenix is justified in using some k-bin LEDs to keep the price down (mind you, the LED is the single most expensive component of the TK40), but they should have been more upfront about it.

 

[Jackal-Head]

All the TK40 are designed to be 630 lumens, and the price is set accordingly, so it seems not meaningful to check out whether it's"M" or "K" bin MCE LED, they are used mixed.

So, IOW, the m-bin flashlights should run a little cooler and have a bit higher runtime. Not such a big deal in my opinion.

 

[BabyDoc]

I know, we'll do a blindfold test with a K and an M and see if . . . oh wait, that might not work. :devil:
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It would be neat to have everyone of these people who is complaining about their TK40 -K-BIN, to go "blind-folded" and pick the bin they want. By "blind-folded" I mean that they go to their dealer and have the dealer shine a K-BIN and M-BIN on the wall, but not tell them which beam is which. I'll bet when the complainer picks the K-BIN, he will still ***** that it isn't a M-bin.