Fossil or renewable. What is the future?

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fuyume

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There is really no such thing as truly "renewable" power generation. Every method of power generation requires massive inputs of non-renewable resources to operate.

The problem is not what fuels your car, the problem is that we have collectively spent more than 100 years building human civilization around ubiquitous personal high speed motorized mobility. In other words, the problem is not what your drive, it's *that* you drive.

As David Owen pointed out in his 2012 book, "The Conundrum", the real problem is not the car itself, but everything that the car enabled and requires. Mobility is the pump that enlarges the sprawl balloon, and it is sprawl that is the problem. In most places in the US, it is impossible to live a modern lifestyle without motorized transportation. Only in a select few cities is it really possible to lie a comfortable life without restrictions if you don't own a car. Electric cars are not a good solution; ultimately, they result in only marginally less pollution than ICE cars.
 

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Before cars were invented, we had other forms of travel.
They were extremely less efficient, less effective, and took too much time to get from Point A to point Z; and other points in-between. Yet, people traveled.

I mean, what is it that you want? For people to just stay put, sit still and create a Happy civilization directly in the spot that they were born? The problem isn't the car. It never was. If anything, the problem is basic human psychology. Before the car, people traveled. Not just across America on horses or horse-drawn carriages; but across continents on boats. We have an ingrained need to travel. Sometimes for pragmatic reasons, sometimes just to see if the grass is indeed greener on the other side.... of that mountain. The car just made traveling a lot more convenient. That's all.
 

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There is really no such thing as truly "renewable" power generation. Every method of power generation requires massive inputs of non-renewable resources to operate.

The problem is not what fuels your car, the problem is that we have collectively spent more than 100 years building human civilization around ubiquitous personal high speed motorized mobility. In other words, the problem is not what your drive, it's *that* you drive.

As David Owen pointed out in his 2012 book, "The Conundrum", the real problem is not the car itself, but everything that the car enabled and requires. Mobility is the pump that enlarges the sprawl balloon, and it is sprawl that is the problem. In most places in the US, it is impossible to live a modern lifestyle without motorized transportation. Only in a select few cities is it really possible to lie a comfortable life without restrictions if you don't own a car. Electric cars are not a good solution; ultimately, they result in only marginally less pollution than ICE cars.
Very few will stop driving. Best do it as efficiently as possible.
 

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I am going shut up on this one. This guy does channel on solar tech.

Already over 74,000 views in about a day since release.

Some good points and real time experience gets blanched by self righteous, life of privilege, preachy boy sprinkled with hypocrisy. While it might be funny to point out the hypocrisy of the ignorant anti-EV/petroleum enthusiasts, not sure how useful that is.

He does condemn government incentives and subsidies, thinking all would be bliss in a free market world. Complain all you want, but government led stability keeps us from stomping each other when food runs short. One opinion.
 

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There's always a cost with renewable energy.... In the case of my best friend of over 30 years, it's going to be his back and a couple of weekends off.

I know he's not going to care that I'm mentioning this online since I'm not using his name, nor giving out his address. He's just one of those guys. He doesn't care. 'Bout a week ago, got himself a used EV. Plan was to wait a few months before installing a charging station at his house. (Yes, he has a house. For him an EV is a viable option.)

Well, turns out his plan for just very slowly charging up from his house was a no-go! Whoever wired his house when the original owners had it built, was not a Master Electrician at all. (Unlike my best friend's brother.) So now he has to put in that charging station because it is literally impossible to charge up his EV without one, at home. Spoke with him a couple of days ago over the phone. He was at the dealership where he bought his EV from.... using one of their two EV charging stations. And yes, he did save himself a good chunk of money. Thing is, that dealership is not remotely close to his house.

If he hadn't bought his EV from them, along with leasing many vehicles in the past from them too, maybe they wouldn't have let him charge up his car there. So, next couple of weekends he and his father-in-law will be digging a trench in the backyard. Connecting everything to his personal charging station. Hopefully before the Summer heat really starts bearing down on them. I mean, he's still happy be bought an EV. But week One of living with one has been a headache. I knew it would be when he said he was going to wait a few months before putting in that charging station. But didn't want to say anything and kill his mood. And again, he does have a non-EV back-up vehicle in the form of his wife's car.
 

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Already over 74,000 views in about a day since release.

Some good points and real time experience gets blanched by self righteous, life of privilege, preachy boy sprinkled with hypocrisy. While it might be funny to point out the hypocrisy of the ignorant anti-EV/petroleum enthusiasts, not sure how useful that is.

He does condemn government incentives and subsidies, thinking all would be bliss in a free market world. Complain all you want, but government led stability keeps us from stomping each other when food runs short. One opinion.
The knob is a tool of the leftist,liberal deep state. They are determined to control everyone with their climate propaganda narrative. In realty, our abundant oil reserves are the answer to our energy needs.

As long as the govt. is allowed to continue to put a thumb on the scale with CAFE standards, it will continue to skew the results to EV's.
 
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The knob is a tool of the leftist,liberal deep state. They are determined to control everyone with their climate propaganda narrative. In realty, our abundant oil reserves are the answer to our energy needs.

As long as the govt. is allowed to continue to put a thumb on the scale with CAFE standards, it will continue to skew the results to EV's.
20 years ago, I heard through reliable sources that there are two monster oil fields, one in Siberia and one in Malaysia, that each dwarf Saudi Arabia's Ghawar field, but that have been "taken off the table" and set aside as world reserves - by who, exactly, was not made clear. Further, that there are numerous other, somewhat smaller fields that are also being held in abeyance.
 

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20 years ago, I heard through reliable sources that there are two monster oil fields, one in Siberia and one in Malaysia, that each dwarf Saudi Arabia's Ghawar field, but that have been "taken off the table" and set aside as world reserves - by who, exactly, was not made clear. Further, that there are numerous other, somewhat smaller fields that are also being held in abeyance.
It's not about the environment, climate change or conservation. It's about control by the govt. This is my biggest reason to refuse to adopt EV's.
 

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It's not about the environment, climate change or conservation. It's about control by the govt. This is my biggest reason to refuse to adopt EV's.
I'm all for being a good steward of my planet. If for no other reason than to breath cleaner air.

But when the gubment says the water that runs off of the roof of my home HAS to percolate into my yard somewhere instead of flowing to the street..... I have ways to keep the water on my lawn to help keep the grass watered because I WANT to. Yet when they say I HAVE to it makes me want to dig a ditch to the street.

When they walk around a warm office in short sleeves in winter and tell me to turn down my thermostat? They fly private jets from place to place and tell me my gas sipping car is the problem?

When they let men compete in women's sports because he says he's a girl? Or tell me my hamburger is killing the planet while they eat imported steak? That my children should be taught that America is evil? That it's ok to let millions come here without the tiniest background check? That if I vote a certain way or not vote a certain why I'm the enemy? Even a terrorist? That it's ok to loot and plunder or even burn cities if I do it in the name of something they agree with? Destroy historical referrences? That if I don't want porn in school libraries I'm for burning books? That repeat criminals deserve yet another break? Even child rapists?

And you think those folks have your best interest?

It's about chaos in order to impose control later. Get the people so tired of conflict they'll allow the storm troopers to seize control. Not local law enforcement, no they too are the enemy. Central gubment crackdown, just like a country who's name rhymes with Dinah.
Sadly, the plan is working.

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Post #153 must be read by everyone

Have a friend that if you told him that post in person, you'd have an intense conversation about it for 12 hours _____ straight.
 

mrfixitman

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There's always a cost with renewable energy.... In the case of my best friend of over 30 years, it's going to be his back and a couple of weekends off.

I know he's not going to care that I'm mentioning this online since I'm not using his name, nor giving out his address. He's just one of those guys. He doesn't care. 'Bout a week ago, got himself a used EV. Plan was to wait a few months before installing a charging station at his house. (Yes, he has a house. For him an EV is a viable option.)

Well, turns out his plan for just very slowly charging up from his house was a no-go! Whoever wired his house when the original owners had it built, was not a Master Electrician at all. (Unlike my best friend's brother.) So now he has to put in that charging station because it is literally impossible to charge up his EV without one, at home. Spoke with him a couple of days ago over the phone. He was at the dealership where he bought his EV from.... using one of their two EV charging stations. And yes, he did save himself a good chunk of money. Thing is, that dealership is not remotely close to his house.

If he hadn't bought his EV from them, along with leasing many vehicles in the past from them too, maybe they wouldn't have let him charge up his car there. So, next couple of weekends he and his father-in-law will be digging a trench in the backyard. Connecting everything to his personal charging station. Hopefully before the Summer heat really starts bearing down on them. I mean, he's still happy be bought an EV. But week One of living with one has been a headache. I knew it would be when he said he was going to wait a few months before putting in that charging station. But didn't want to say anything and kill his mood. And again, he does have a non-EV back-up vehicle in the form of his wife's car.
I find it funny that he couldn't charge, admittedly slowly, on a simple 120vac outlet, for maybe 18 to 30 hours for a full charge. I can charge my Tesla that way in an emergency or when time is not of the essence. Overnight I could gain 50 miles of range. Level 1 charging is 1,800 watts. Low level 2 is 3.3kw. Normal Level 2 varies from 6.6kw to 12kw. Level 3 is 25kw upwards to 600kw.
 

mrfixitman

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The knob is a tool of the leftist, liberal deep state. They are determined to control everyone with their climate propaganda narrative. In realty, our abundant oil reserves are the answer to our energy needs.

As long as the govt. is allowed to continue to put a thumb on the scale with CAFE standards, it will continue to skew the results to EV's.
You like EVeryone else will buy an EV when it makes financial sense. The rest of us early adopters will do what's right. The "Right" should take notice. The Right and Conservative have lost their meaning. More like the Provocative and Selfish. Here is where I started my journey http://www.evalbum.com/418 This was funded by me. Not the deep state. If I am a tool as many of you think...where is my paycheck?
 

mrfixitman

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I'm all for being a good steward of my planet. If for no other reason than to breath cleaner air.

But when the gubment says the water that runs off of the roof of my home HAS to percolate into my yard somewhere instead of flowing to the street..... I have ways to keep the water on my lawn to help keep the grass watered because I WANT to. Yet when they say I HAVE to it makes me want to dig a ditch to the street.

When they walk around a warm office in short sleeves in winter and tell me to turn down my thermostat? They fly private jets from place to place and tell me my gas sipping car is the problem?

When they let men compete in women's sports because he says he's a girl? Or tell me my hamburger is killing the planet while they eat imported steak? That my children should be taught that America is evil? That it's ok to let millions come here without the tiniest background check? That if I vote a certain way or not vote a certain why I'm the enemy? Even a terrorist? That it's ok to loot and plunder or even burn cities if I do it in the name of something they agree with? Destroy historical referrences? That if I don't want porn in school libraries I'm for burning books? That repeat criminals deserve yet another break? Even child rapists?

And you think those folks have your best interest?

It's about chaos in order to impose control later. Get the people so tired of conflict they'll allow the storm troopers to seize control. Not local law enforcement, no they too are the enemy. Central gubment crackdown, just like a country who's name rhymes with Dinah.
Sadly, the plan is working.

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Traitors should not be pardoned or revered. Slavery was bad. Just because someone else jumps off a bridge doesn't mean it's ok for you to. WA WA WA WA. Deep state. MAGA. ANTIFA. China burns coal so why should I try. It's illegal to store rainwater is some jurisdictions. Cops are people too and beat people out of frustration. Rodney King had it coming but it wasn't the cops place to beat him senseless. Have I POed anyone yet? Survive. That's the goal. To get old enough to collect the pension you have earned. But you still have to have a good security plan. Maybe breath some clean air and not be in Montana.
 

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