Ft. Hood Shootings - Take 2

[Empath]

Lupara, another of yours has been removed. The tangential topic you raise can be a very interesting topic, but it's a topic for the Underground. Please feel free to post your thoughts there.

 

[HELL LIGHT]

It's the same name and the title seems to be correct. I was just wondering if this might have been one of the reasons that Congressmen weren't briefed before the press leak. Kinda weird if he is indeed an advisor to this administration's Homeland Security team.

Let's put this way, he was a conference participant but not necessary part of the team. Trust me, as long as you have the proper credential you can be in any kind of conference that would have the name of "PRESIDENTIAL" on it including the anti-terrorist task force conference!!

 

[Patriot]

Let's put this way, he was a conference participant but not necessary part of the team. Trust me, as long as you have the proper credential you can be in any kind of conference that would have the name of "PRESIDENTIAL" on it including the anti-terrorist task force conference!!

So, he had the credentials and attended the conference. Still very interesting considering the conference topic and his eventual actions.

 

[LUPARA]

Obviously; even if you have the IM-proper credentials, you can get into a "presedential" event; like the couple now in the media limelight for crashing the WH T'giving party. If this story is really true: then the implications for security are horrendous.
The "proper credentials"? No screening, no background checks, nothing? Seems like a very laissez-faire casual approach to me and I have a hard time getting my mind around it. Now, if THIS post gets moved to the underground; then I'm definitely up for the CPF slow-learner award!!!

 

[Monocrom]

Credentials don't matter. Other than airports, everyone has gone back to a Pre-9/11 mentality. :scowl:

 

[HELL LIGHT]

Credentials don't matter. Other than airports, everyone has gone back to a Pre-9/11 mentality. :scowl:

Now you know what the reality is all about!!😗

 

[Empath]

Hell Light, don't participate any further in this thread.

I consider the thread topic important. I also consider it very near to our limits. Your very presence in it risks it. It will take a special effort on everyone's part to hold the thread to the limits. Your part, is to remain out of the thread.

For failure to comply with administrative directive, posting privileges have been suspended for a couple of months.

 

[StarHalo]

Mr. Hasan appeared before a judge for a pre-trial hearing today, wearing his uniform and a rather large five-week beard relating to his religious beliefs; the judge declared this to be inappropriate dress for a courtroom, and has rescheduled the hearing for June 8th.

 

[Chauncey Gardener]

I've just read the entire thread and wanted to thank Empath for allowing (moderating) it to remain open. I'd also like to state how much I respect the members who've shared their thoughts with much self-control. Thank you Gentlemen!

~ Chance

 

[StarHalo]

I've just read the entire thread

The first thread is more comprehensive.

 

[Monocrom]

He's not the only one who should be up on charges. It still amazes me that this individual was known for his rather extreme views, yet no one kept an eye on him. After the shooting, it was learned that Mr. Hasan was open and very honest about his feelings during his military career. He'd tell everyone willing to listen exactly what his views are. This wasn't some guy who just randomly snapped one day. Yet, instead of keeping an eye on him; he was promoted up through the ranks. Even reaching his final rank before the shooting approximately 5 years sooner than the average. Yet, by all accounts, he wasn't an extraordinary leader. Something just isn't right with this entire thing.

 

[StarHalo]

Mr. Hasan's trial began today, three years and nine months after the shooting; he has plead not guilty and is representing himself, and has stated openly in court, "the evidence will clearly show that I am the shooter."

 

[cland72]

Mr. Hasan's trial began today, three years and nine months after the shooting; he has plead not guilty and is representing himself, and has stated openly in court, "the evidence will clearly show that I am the shooter."

He's going to get convicted, and I'm torn on whether I hope he gets the death penalty, or is forced to live out his days in a cell, bound to a wheelchair.

 

[Monocrom]

Even over a year later, I still stand by my last post above.

Looks like we're not going to get the answers needed. Seriously, who were the the lazy, brain-dead commanders who kept promoting this guy? How does an openly America-hating, unremarkable individual get to that rank (years ahead of the average amount usually required)? Makes absolutely no sense.

 

[dano]

He's not the only one who should be up on charges. It still amazes me that this individual was known for his rather extreme views, yet no one kept an eye on him. After the shooting, it was learned that Mr. Hasan was open and very honest about his feelings during his military career. He'd tell everyone willing to listen exactly what his views are. This wasn't some guy who just randomly snapped one day. Yet, instead of keeping an eye on him; he was promoted up through the ranks. Even reaching his final rank before the shooting approximately 5 years sooner than the average. Yet, by all accounts, he wasn't an extraordinary leader. Something just isn't right with this entire thing.

Fear of being labeled as an anti-muslim or islmaphobe, so those in charge let him be.

 

[cland72]

Fear of being labeled as an anti-muslim or islmaphobe, so those in charge let him be.

Yep.

Our country (and government especially) has become scared to death of appearing "intolerant" to someone's lifestyle, color, religion, or sexual preference.

I'm guessing that as each new supervisor learned about who Hasan really was, he/she promoted him to get rid of him, since they couldn't try to get him discharged or brought up on charges, lest they be accused of discrimination.

 

[Monocrom]

Fear of being labeled as an anti-muslim or islmaphobe, so those in charge let him be.

That's part of it. But letting him be doesn't explain the string of promotions, one after the other, until he reached that rank. One superior officer after another giving him what he didn't earn. Seriously, setting aside his openly hostile views toward America and the military, his career was truly unremarkable. Letting him be is one thing, promoting him in such a manner is something else entirely.

 

[Monocrom]

I'm guessing that as each new supervisor learned about who Hasan really was, he/she promoted him to get rid of him, since they couldn't try to get him discharged or brought up on charges, lest they be accused of discrimination.

Hate to say it, but that sounds about right. Quite a few officers whom he served under deserve dishonorable discharges.

 

[Chauncey Gardener]

Why does it now take the U.S. military longer to prosecute a case of "workplace violence" than it did to win World War Two?

Mark Steyn

Know Thine Enemy

 

[StarHalo]

The judge in the case has denied a significant portion of the evidence of Hasan's early militant/extremist behavior; the aforementioned PowerPoint presentation and his attempts to get discharged will not be included in the trial.