Give Me Some History, Fellas, Please.

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I know this is slightly off track but my opinion is it'll be the batteries that start rapidly advancing soon to keep up with the Led's.I believe there will be smaller more powerful lights very soon,the big difference
will be the reflector,so you can have a very small throw monster & such like.Basically everything in a led flashlight is going to evolve including the Led,batteries,reflector,emitter you name it the people who do
this for a living will see to that.Soon everyone of us will be owning outdated lights,that's progress for you.
 
So, I've owned a few run of the mill Surefire lights for quite a few years now. Three to be exact. Always liked them and was impressed by them.

Until I found this site a few months back. Now I've got a Jetbeam, a Sunwayman, an EagleTac, the Tiny Monster, and quite a few others. I have the SR90, but almost never use it as it's big with limited flood and so not exactly what I need.

I also discoverd the HID section, bought the Magic Fire Scorpion, and yesterday ordered the Polarion Abyss.

So my question is: Have I hit upon this hobby at just the right time, the Golden Hour, so to speak?

Are LEDs, relatively speaking, a new happening for flashlights?

Are HID lights, smallish, hand carryable, integrated battery packs something that's only recent history?

Because I am loving this. I am convinced, sort of, that after I take delivery of the Abyss I won't need to buy another light for a long time to come.

I'm even gifting my Fenix TK35 to my daughter who is in college in Washington State so she can take her dog on nightwalks as I do each night here in NY.

mark
 
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I have not been around long enough to give you a history of LEDs or even much perspective on whether or not we're in a golden age of sorts. But I think I can confidently tell you this much:

"I am convinced, sort of, that after I take delivery of the Abyss I won't need to buy another light for a long time to come." <-- This is dead wrong!

You see, we've all been there. "Oh, once I get x, y and z, lights, my collection will be complete!" Yet, every time you round out your perfect collection, your mind start to wander and you realize that there are other uses for which you don't have the perfect light. And then, eventually, you realize you have too many lights and some are redundant so you sell a few. Then you realize how much you miss them, so you try to replace them but you discover that there is something better out now.

And it continues on like this until you you have no more money and you spend your days hovering over the marketplace waiting for anything to show up that you don't have so you can get your fix.

Or maybe that's just me.

Cheers!
 
So my question is: Have I hit upon this hobby at just the right time, the Golden Hour, so to speak?
More or less. A few years ago all we had were 5mm LEDs; back then the output wasn't much, but it was an exciting new development. Never before had there been such a thing as efficiency in portable lighting.
Then we got Luxeons, and the trend of lights with just one bright LED instead of arrays of small dim ones started. But they still had trouble beating incandescents, and they were much more expensive than the latter, so most people preferred the old technology.
Then Cree came with the P4, which definitely could beat incandescents, and revolutionized the world of flashlights. That's when LED lights became a feasible idea for everyone.

Since then the improvement have been evolutionary, not revolutionary. That's not to say there hasn't been anything significant - quite the contrary, in fact - but it's unlikely (not to mention possibly physically impossible) that a new LED will hit the market with twice the efficiency of today's Crees and revolutionize everything again.

Are LEDs, relatively speaking, a new happening for flashlights?
Relatively new, yes. The earliest 5mm LED flashlights that made any sense date back to year 2000 or so, I think.

There's a lot of interesting data about LEDs and early LED flashlight designs in Daniel Rutter's reviews. The whole category is here; this is, I think, his earliest flashlight review, but the product isn't exactly sensible. This should be the first review of actual generic flashlights. You can go on reading the various comparisons in order of time, then look at the other reviews. He's stopped reviewing flashlights after one with a Cree P4 in it, so you'll find nothing about anything that came out in the last few years, but the rest is good-quality reading.

You see, we've all been there. "Oh, once I get x, y and z, lights, my collection will be complete!" Yet, every time you round out your perfect collection, your mind start to wander and you realize that there are other uses for which you don't have the perfect light. And then, eventually, you realize you have too many lights and some are redundant so you sell a few. Then you realize how much you miss them, so you try to replace them but you discover that there is something better out now.
I know I'm in the minority here, but I disagree. I spent some time gathering various lights, but it was in the search for the perfect EDC. When I found it I stuck with it for years, with no real need to buy more stuff. Technology has marched on, so I recently replaced it with a SC600. I foresee this one will last even longer, and I don't really plan on buying anything else in the meantime.
 
not LED technology or Cree sets the pace. they show the direction but power LED flashlight history and pace is set by one man.

zebralight.

the flashlight world looks at their work.

very slow work as a matter of fact.

so history will be made. by him. just slowly.

those with a sc600 can sit back for 2 years, my estimation.

good luck everbody.

and those companies who try to implement rash the very newest Cree XLamps end up with horrible greenish tints in their CoolWhite's.

zebralight was the first who negotiated hard with cree to get exactly the tint they wanted to buy for us their end customers.
 
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More or less. A few years ago all we had were 5mm LEDs; back then the output wasn't much, but it was an exciting new development. Never before had there been such a thing as efficiency in portable lighting.
Then we got Luxeons, and the trend of lights with just one bright LED instead of arrays of small dim ones started. But they still had trouble beating incandescents, and they were much more expensive than the latter, so most people preferred the old technology.
Then Cree came with the P4, which definitely could beat incandescents, and revolutionized the world of flashlights. That's when LED lights became a feasible idea for everyone.

Since then the improvement have been evolutionary, not revolutionary. That's not to say there hasn't been anything significant - quite the contrary, in fact - but it's unlikely (not to mention possibly physically impossible) that a new LED will hit the market with twice the efficiency of today's Crees and revolutionize everything again.


Relatively new, yes. The earliest 5mm LED flashlights that made any sense date back to year 2000 or so, I think.

There's a lot of interesting data about LEDs and early LED flashlight designs in Daniel Rutter's reviews. The whole category is here; this is, I think, his earliest flashlight review, but the product isn't exactly sensible. This should be the first review of actual generic flashlights. You can go on reading the various comparisons in order of time, then look at the other reviews. He's stopped reviewing flashlights after one with a Cree P4 in it, so you'll find nothing about anything that came out in the last few years, but the rest is good-quality reading.


I know I'm in the minority here, but I disagree. I spent some time gathering various lights, but it was in the search for the perfect EDC. When I found it I stuck with it for years, with no real need to buy more stuff. Technology has marched on, so I recently replaced it with a SC600. I foresee this one will last even longer, and I don't really plan on buying anything else in the meantime.

This is nicely stated and a good summary. Chasing lights is somewhat fun but my curent main EDC lights are a first generation Novatac 120P modded with a K2 TFFC emitter and an Arc6 modded with a K2 TFFC neither of which is exactly cutting edge. Prior to that I carried an old HDS B42 that I cracked to custom program it for years and years. I think there is some time that it takes to find what you like size and UI wise, and I've gone through my fair share of lights but could somewhat easily consolidate if I had to to one keychain light, 1 EDC (1xCR123) and one bigger "reach out and touch someone" light (probably a 2x123 based light).

I completely agree with the evolutionary comment. The Lux1/LuxIII was a huge leap over the 5mm - and while perhaps not as huge a leap but still ground breaking the Cree P4 was almost as big a jump. I haven't been compelled to buy anything new (other than considering an XML dropin for a Surefire 6P) for some time - the K2 and Cree emitters in most of my lights that I use regularly still work just fine and nothing new is really pushing the envelope so far ahead that I have to have one.

Personally, however, I would have said that with the first generations of Cree XRE and Seoul SSC P4 chips felt like at the time the golden age as that was really when LED lights became a true middle of the bell curve option in flashlights.
 
It usually just starts with one light, then you discover a new light with a different set of features. It's really hard to explain to a non-flashaholic why you have so may lights. Each one is unique with a specific function, and I do agree, that when you start collecting, you cant say that what you have is enough for now, maybe yes, but when something new comes out that catches your eye, oh no... spending time again! 🙂

This is probably the "golden age" so to speak for LED flashlights, there are so many coming out now and with so many brands to choose from. I have some contacts who work in one of the big names in the flashlight world and they said business is doing quite well and their lights are "flying off the shelves" they even get shortages due to the high demand of their popular lights.

Advancement of LED technology have gone in leaps and bounds, before the bigger lights were about 300 lumens tops, now we have bigger lights that can go 1000 lumens and up.

Now Cree have come up with smaller and highly efficient LEDs which may be the next step in LED lighting.

If you've been here long enough, you will be amazed to see the evolution of flashlights, which to me is, fantastic! 🙂
 
While it doesn't look like we will see the huge gains in efficiency/brightness in the near future, who really knows. Look up Moore's Law and how it relates to the computing industry, it has held constant since the 1970s. I'm sure in 2007 there weren't a whole lot of people saying we will see a 4D light blasting over 2000 lumens in a few years. Nevertheless, I still think there are innovations being made currently and will be made in the future dealing with improvements in the UIs, CRI/tints, and power sources for these lights (and maybe even heat management where there really hasn't been much innovation IMO).

I think it would have been fun to be interested in lights when hotwires were the most impressive lights around. I still think it would be cool to make one, but LED's just provide too many advantages for me that I can't justify the cost.
 
Personally I haven't bought a light since a Fenix PD20 R5 late last year which I carry along with a Inova Microlight, and a Surefire G2X Tactical. It's only now that I've been looking to purchase a few more lights. At the moment I've got a Surefire P2X Fury on order and a Saint headlamp. Also like the look of the ArmyTek Viking S.
 
This is an interesting thread, Mark.

Fallingwater, I like your synopsis. The Dan's Data website has a lot of good reviews following the contemporary development of various lights.

Light emitting diodes have been the overarching development in battery powered lighting for about the last fifteen years.

We should probably all remember Shuji Nakamura, who worked for Nichia, a Japanese company who put the first white LED's on the market in 1993.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuji_Nakamura

Nichia was a pioneer in producing a white (vs. pure red, green, etc.) LED using GaN semiconductors. Their patents are basic, and important.

Philips Lumiled was formed in 1999 and introduced a one watt LED called the Luxeon about 2001. This LED was very powerful by comparison to its contemporary market rivals, and packaged to dissipate power and allow a very bright light source in a "star" package which could conduct the necessary power and heat to the device.

http://www.bluehaze.com.au/modlight/Luxeon.htm

Shelm, I think you have to credit Cree with a couple of major technical achievements. They had some very basic technology with semiconductor fabrication using gallium nitride (GaN). They also did some great development with packaging the LED's so that very high powered devices fabricated from wafers could be put on substrates with integral lenses.

Generally, Cree has been pushing the envelope since about 2007. Early on, they sold their LED's to Seoul Semiconductor, who produced an LED module called the Rebel. For about the last five years, there have been very rapid enhancements in these LED devices and packages, every year or so, another incremental improvement in the output occurs. This technology now delivers the most light for the least battery power, and Cree is a strong leader in all of this. They have expanded and continued to offer more light in smaller and less expensive packages until today, at the least.

It amazes me how we can now use a few AA's to produce output you could not buy more than about five years back...
 
I remember my first LED flashlight. It was a small plastic keychain light with a titanium sleeve that fit around it. Turning the body of the light relative to the keychain arm turned it on. The LED itself was a 5000 millicandela red LED of a type that you could buy at Radio Shack. This was over 20 years ago and white LEDs weren't out yet.

Flash forward a few years and I got my first white LED flashlight. It ran off 3xAAA batteries and was made of translucent plastic. It turned on by twisting the bezel. It had 3x 5mm white LEDs to provide light. I remember being amazed by its brightness when I first saw it. Though compared even to much smaller incandescent maglights it was very dim. It just felt brighter because the tint was so cool and I wasn't used to seeing cool white from a flashlight.

Flash forward to today and we seem to be in a golden age of flashlights. Maglights are no longer considered the be all and end all of high end flashlights. Instead we have dozens of different brands of much better built LED flashlights.
 
If you want to own a bit of history, you can attempt to pick up an original Inova X5...the first plausible LED Flashlight...so much so, it's in a museum. I got mine around 2003 (2nd Gen???). I was rather impressed by it at the time (I remember turning it on and was like "Wow...this thing bright, especially for it's size!"), and while not much by today's standards, it still serves it's purpose as a bomb proof, no bs emergency light (see...even I can say something nice about a non-SF light :0))
 
Generally, Cree has been pushing the envelope since about 2007. Early on, they sold their LED's to Seoul Semiconductor, who produced an LED module called the Rebel.

Great presentation, but unless I'm totally nuts the Rebel was a Luxeon.
 
As one of the original members on CPF since 2001, I have fould there is much history that has been told but not really well organized for historical records. I am hopeful that someone has, or will, take this task on for all. Unfortunately there are fewer folks everyday hanging around on CPF with this corporate knowledge. I would suggest that Craig at the LEDMuseum be commissioned to write a historical account. I would be willing to donate some funds for this cause.

Regards
 
Mdjak get yourself Arc AAA-P model put it on your keyring and see where LED's that started at 5mm can do. You will be pleasantly surprised i'm sure.
 
I wonder if that's what one of the flashlight websites send me as a gift whenever I buy something. LOL.

I really appreciate all the replies here. Slightly OT: I just bought the Polarion Abyss. I'm guessing, aside from LED, that's about the state of the art right now in powerful yet quite compact lighting. It's amazing.

Mdjak get yourself Arc AAA-P model put it on your keyring and see where LED's that started at 5mm can do. You will be pleasantly surprised i'm sure.
 
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