Handy size and weight chart for 14 popular lights

[brightnorm]

Here are measurements for 14 small or relatively small incandescent lights. I used a Pelouse digital postal scale with a claimed accuracy of 1/10 Gram. All measurements of length are from the front to the end of the body, excluding the push button which on average protrudes approximately 1/8" to 3/16 inch. Four of the 2x123 lights did not have protruding push buttons: the ASP Taclite whose button is recessed,the Scorpion whose internal push button is flush with the surface, the TACM III whose tailcap functions as the push button. and the UKE 2L which is a twist on/off. Of the 4AA lights only the Streamlight has a pushbutton, and the Surge has a barrel switch.

I have divided the lights into three group: 2x123's, 4AA's and the 8AA Surge. All weights include batteries; All the AA lights are loaded with alkalines. Within each group lights are listed by length, from longest to shortest.

2x123 LIGHTS:

MODEL: ………….......…LNTH....BEZEL DIAM.…WGHT
Legend LX*..............5/16........1 7/16".......5.5oz
Surefire M2*…………….. 5.5"…………1 7/16"......6.3oz
ASP Taclite(Triad)......5"…………..1 3/8".........5.4oz
Surefire 6P*:…………….5"………………1 ¼"……………….5.3oz
Surefire G2*…………..…5"………………1 ¼"……………….4oz
Streamlight Scorpion...... 5"............1 1/4"......4.5oz
TACM III:……………...….4 5/8"……….1 3/8"……...3.8oz
Surefire E*………………..4 3/8……….1"…………....…3oz
UKE 2L**……………......4 3/8"…….1 ¼"…………...2.6oz

4AA LIGHTS

Pelican Stealthlite+…..6 3/8"….....1 ¾"…………6.6oz
Streamlite 4AA* ……….6 ¼"…….......1 ½"……….6.3oz
PrincetonTec Tec40+…5 15/16"……..1 5/8"..5.5oz
UKE Mini Q40**……..… 5 7/8"…………1 1/4"……5.1oz

8AA LIGHT

PrincetonTec Surge**+…6 5/8"…… 2"………………11.4oz

* Add 1/8" to length for pushbutton
** Tapered bezel: maximum diameter stated, otherwise diameter is at front
+ Integrated lanyard holder included in length

I find this "chart" useful in comparing lights. I considered including brief beam descriptions, but decided to keep it quick and simple.

NOTE: I apologize for the sloppiness of the charts. They looked fine in WORD, but got totally jumbled when I copy/pasted. Once in CPF, it took me many tries to get it even in this sad shape. Anyone have any advice? Please give your ideas in layman's terms. I have nowhere near the computer savvy (not Saaby) of most of you guys.

Brightnorm

 

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Hey brightnorm thanks for the comparison chart but where's the Scorpion? I bought one today on ebay.

It will be my first 2x123 light. The ASP Triad I was my first choice thanks to your recommendations but I could not find one. I played with a Triad II recently in a sporting goods store and was very impressed with the brightness and feel in the hand, not to mention the silent switch. The salesman was nice enough to take me back to a stockroom so I could try it out in the dark. Wow! But your informative posts have convinced me that I want that set and forget internal focusing of the Triad I. Any suggestions on where I might come up with one?
By the way Streamlight says the length of the Scorpion is 4.9" and weight with batteries is 4.4 oz. They don't state the bezel diameter.

Thanks for your knowledgable and helpful posts,

Jim

 

[Ratso]

Cool! Now we need one with Lumens, CP, focus, etc...

 

[brightnorm]

Originally posted by galavanter:
Hey brightnorm thanks for the comparison chart but where's the Scorpion? ,

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Jim,

You are absolutely right, I forgot the Scorpion! I'll correct that later, and try to find my purchase info on the Asp.

Thanks,
Brightnorm

 

[Anthem]

That's handy, I've been wondering if anyone knows the bezel diameter of SF's KT2 Turbo heads or maybe pics of one installed?

 

[Size15's]

Yep, The KT TurboHeads are 2.5" diameter.



If you would like to discuss the KTs, please start a new thread.

Thanks

Al

 

[The_LED_Museum]

Originally posted by brightnorm:
NOTE: I apologize for the sloppiness of the charts. They looked fine in WORD, but got totally jumbled when I copy/pasted. Once in CPF, it took me many tries to get it even in this sad shape. Anyone have any advice?

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">If your chart were in regular text, inserting the tag {code} (replace the curly-ques with square brackets) in front of the chart, and {/code} at the end should line everything up.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">2x123 LIGHTS:
 
MODEL: ………….......…LNTH....BEZEL DIAM.…WGHT
Legend LX*..............5/16........1 7/16".......5.5oz
Surefire M2*…………….. 5.5"…………1 7/16"......6.3oz
ASP Taclite(Triad)......5"…………..1 3/8".........5.4oz
Surefire 6P*:…………….5"………………1 ¼"……………….5.3oz
Surefire G2*…………..…5"………………1 ¼"……………….4oz
Streamlight Scorpion...... 5"............1 1/4"......4.5oz
TACM III:……………...….4 5/8"……….1 3/8"……...3.8oz
Surefire E*………………..4 3/8……….1"…………....…3oz
UKE 2L**……………......4 3/8"…….1 ¼"…………...2.6oz
 
4AA LIGHTS
 
Pelican Stealthlite+…..6 3/8"….....1 ¾"…………6.6oz
Streamlite 4AA* ……….6 ¼"…….......1 ½"……….6.3oz
PrincetonTec Tec40+…5 15/16"……..1 5/8"..5.5oz
UKE Mini Q40**……..… 5 7/8"…………1 1/4"……5.1oz
 
8AA LIGHT
 
PrincetonTec Surge**+…6 5/8"…… 2"………………11.4oz</pre><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I see you used some wierd, closely-spaced dots on some of the listings, but regular periods on others; so even using {code} won't line them up correctly.

 

[sunspot]

Do you use the </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">xxx</pre><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">at the start and finish of the post or at each line. Why the (?) in the text? We must have some kind of different systems as I see all regular periods in the first post. Oh, and do you put the word code in large cap?
Trying to learn, Dana

 

[x-ray]

Originally posted by brightnorm:

NOTE: I apologize for the sloppiness of the charts. They looked fine in WORD, but got totally jumbled when I copy/pasted. Once in CPF, it took me many tries to get it even in this sad shape. Anyone have any advice? Please give your ideas in layman's terms. I have nowhere near the computer savvy (not Saaby) of most of you guys.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">What about displaying the chart in the form of an image ?

1. Do a screendump ( print screen key ) of your nice looking chart from inside word

2. Paste into graphics package ( Ctrl+v ) (paint/photoshop etc.) and crop/edit

3. Post image to net (yahoo photo's/imagestation or own webspace if available)

 

[brightnorm]

Thanks Craig and x-ray for your suggestions, and Dana for your questions.

I am enough of a computer neophyte, in terms of many specific functions and terms, that even your simple and direct advice will take some figuring out on my part.

Thanks again, and if I still have trouble I hope you won't mind my calling on you once more.

Brightnorm

 

[MarcV]

One easy thing you could do is use Notepad instead of Word.

 

[brightnorm]

Originally posted by galavanter:
...The ASP Triad I was my first choice thanks to your recommendations but I could not find one...

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Jim,

Try Tanners www.tannersstorefront.com. They're a good outfit and the light with backswitch, which is what you should get, is only around $50.00. Now, I want to clarify one thing: I have never personally tried the Model 2, and I don't want to be unfair to it, but I do have a strong preference for fixed focus in my primary lights. If you get model One please take plenty of time to get it focused as tightly as possible (it may be slightly frustrating and time consuming and you won't end up with a perfect beam anyway, but that's normal with this non faceted light, and I assure you that it will be well worth the effort. Don't be concerned if the beam is not perfect when projected against a white wall at 20 feet. The true value of this light will come in real life outdoors on a dark night!

The terms "Taclite" and "Triad" are really interchangeable; frankly I don't know why they initiated the Triad name except to create the illusion of a new and better product. There is however, a "new" lamp; the Triad lamp, which is superior to its predecessor. Here's how you can tell them apart: The old lamp is a cylinder, rounded at the end. The newer "Triad" lamp is curvy and tapers at the tip. Too bad I don't have pics but they're around somewhere, I'll see if I can find some to post. If you have any questions you can call Tanners, though i seem to recall that they prefer to be emailed.

It helps to remember that the "intensity" of a light is INVERSELY proportional to the diameter of the beam, and that formula applies in the reverse. But such measurements are tricky; just remember that the Triad (and TACM III) gets its remarkable intensity and throw through a relatively narrow beam, and could almost be considered a Junior turbolight.

I'd be very curious if you could do an A-B comparison between Model and Model 2, but I suspect your dealer's generosity doesn't stretch quite that far.

Brightnorm

 

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Brightnorm,

Thanks so much for the info. I emailed Tanners but haven't heard back yet. I've done some additional homework of my own.
I called ASP and spoke to a very nice young lady who told me the internal focusing model with backswitch is discontinued but the internal focus is still available in the ASP Baton-Connector Tac-Lite (53001). I suppose the logic behind this is that one doesn't want to lose ones focus while whacking someone over the head.

This precludes I think the use of the backswitch, which I would like. While it appears a baton adapter is available for non baton-connector lights, the aforementioned light comes with a built in non-removable connector. This took me a while to figure out... (edit-THIS IS INCORRECT! Please see my next post.)
I suppose for now I will wait for my Scorpion to arrive...

One interesting thing I stumbled upon while searching was this LED adapter for ASP batons. I think I will post this in the modders forum, where someone might have a use for it.

Thanks again for your help.

Jim

 

[brightnorm]

Originally posted by galavanter:
.... the internal focusing model with backswitch is discontinued but the internal focus is still available in the ASP Baton-Connector Tac-Lite ....While it appears a baton adapter is available for non baton-connector lights, the aforementioned light comes with a built in non-removable connector...

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Jim,

That's really frustrating. I was thinking you could just get a body and bezel and order a separate backswitch, but they have made that impossible. However, I'd be very surprised if dealer stocks on the internal focus backswitch model are depleted yet, and Tanners may come through for you. There are other sources but they tend to charge a little more than Tanners ($60-$65), which is almost lrrelavent if you really want the light.

I'm sorry that ASP decided on this course of action. Perhaps they considered their non-LEO market share for the backswitch model too small to justify further production, and the LEOs wanted baton connectors. OTOH, look at all the backswitch Surefires and Streamlights. Very unfortunate decision.

Tanners can be a little frustrating to reach sometimes, but did you ask ASP if they had any internal focus backswitch models in stock, and do they sell to the public?

Jim, I'm carrying the TACM III at this point instead of the ASP because of its light weight and short body. It's the only other 2x123 light out there that projects like a Taclite but it isn't as finely made and its backswitch is rather crude. They now make an excellent "clickie" tail switch but it adds more than 1/2" in length. After trying it I went back to the old method.

Anyway, good luck in your quest.

Brightnorm

 

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Brightnorm and all,

Please accept my humble apologies for the erroneous info I posted yesterday concerning ASP lights.
I called them back today because after reading your reply I began to wonder if I had not misinterpreted some of the info I received. I had. Today I spoke to another nice woman named Kathy.
The baton-connector model (53001) is indeed internal focusing. I got that right. But it comes with the REMOVABLE adapter with side switch already attached. The adapter on the back of the light is ALWAYS removable. It is NOT built in. Simply removing the adapter and adding a tailcap gives one an internal focusing ASP, just like you figured Brightnorm.
It is true that they have discontinued marketing the internal focusing model with tailcap to the general public.
But the good news is they will put one together for the general public, and sell it to us direct for $65.00 plus shipping. This saves the cost of the unused adapter.
The best news is you can call or email Kathy at ASP to confirm my info or place an order!
Phone - 800.236.6243
E-mail - <[email protected]>

Again, sorry for my confusion, or should I say for confusing you.

I got my Scorpion today and it is a very nice light, especially for the money. I am anxious to try it out tonight. By the way it measures 5", as your chart states, not 4.9" as Streamlight states on their site.

Thanks,

Jim

Brightnorm, PM sent

 

[sunspot]

If more info is needed for part numbers for most of the ASP stuff, check out (dare I say it) Botach. I saw the LED adaptor there and the connector switch.

Disclaimer: I only go there to compare prices.