Has Quark Usurped the Fenix LD/PD Thunder?

[Egsise]

So, uh, why would I get the Fenix?

Fenix PD30 anti-roll design works 100x better than the Quark clip....

I've had a Fenix LD10 for a year now and a Quark AA neutral white for ½ year.
I haven't sold my Quark for one reason, that is the neutral white led.
I haven't even thought of selling my LD10 even though it has a cool white led.

Low low and Li-ion compatibility, nice features but nothing groundbreaking.
For normal use the 20-70 lumen range is enough, NiMH are also cheap compared to 14500 Li-ion.
Not to mention that all 14500 Li-ion's are not compatible with the Quark AA...

 

[Tom_123]

With that said, if the LD10 got an XP-G emitter I would jump on it as I really prefer the aesthetics over the Quark or D10

For me it's not so much about the emitter but about forward clicky and effective
user interface.
The Quark tactical series offers the best UI for my needs.
Therefore, I'd prefer the Quark tac, even if it would "just" provide an XR-E emitter.

Versatility might be another point to consider.
After all, one can run a Quark head with almost all batteries.

And don't get me started about Fenix and clips. 😗

If we were talking aesthetics, I'd prefer the Dereelight C2H over both,
the Quark and the Fenix.

But that's just me

 

[NutSAK]

Fenix PD30 anti-roll design works 100x better than the Quark clip....

Could you explain this? If both keep the flashlight from rolling, how could one be 100x better than the other?

 

[JaguarDave-in-Oz]

Perhaps anti roll devices actually stop the devices from rolling more than 3.6 degrees and clips only stop them rolling 360 degrees?????

 

[Egsise]

Could you explain this? If both keep the flashlight from rolling, how could one be 100x better than the other?

Perhaps anti roll devices actually stop the devices from rolling more than 3.6 degrees and clips only stop them rolling 360 degrees?????

Lol, actually the Quark clip isnt that good, it works only in one direction...
Quark moves like 200 degrees before the clip stops it, LD10 only 90 degrees, but when LD10 stops it stops.
So Quark anti-roll clip lets it move 200 degrees from side to side vs LD10 0 degrees.

200 times better?

 

[Warp]

Lol, actually the Quark clip isnt that good, it works only in one direction...
Quark moves like 200 degrees before the clip stops it, LD10 only 90 degrees, but when LD10 stops it stops.
So Quark anti-roll clip lets it move 200 degrees from side to side vs LD10 0 degrees.

200 times better?

You said yourself, in your estimation, it is 200 degreee vs 90 degrees. So how about, based on your guestimate, 2.22 times better.


This seems a pretty insignificant difference, IMO.

Low low and Li-ion compatibility, nice features but nothing groundbreaking.
For normal use the 20-70 lumen range is enough

But I want a low that is MUCH lower than 20 lumens. I certainly do not need nor want 20 lumens to be the minimum available for walking around the house (or another house or a hotel room or a condo) at night, looking on the floor for something I dropped in a movie theater (when it is something I am willing to pick up off that floor!), etc.

 

[LeifUK]

You said yourself, in your estimation, it is 200 degreee vs 90 degrees. So how about, based on your guestimate, 2.22 times better.
This seems a pretty insignificant difference, IMO.

The Fenix will not roll unless the surface is at quite an angle. The Quark will roll and then come to a stop if the surface is tilted slightly. The Fenix approach may be slightly better for some I guess.

But I want a low that is MUCH lower than 20 lumens. I certainly do not need nor want 20 lumens to be the minimum available for walking around the house (or another house or a hotel room or a condo) at night, looking on the floor for something I dropped in a movie theater (when it is something I am willing to pick up off that floor!), etc.

No doubt for some people having a low that is too low for their needs means that they have to step through an unwanted mode, making the UI more clumsy than necessary. In the end these things are down to personal taste.

I have to admit that I ordered a Quark 2AA in preference to another Fenix L2D because of the higher max output (though at the cost of shorter runtime).

 

[Egsise]

Ok Fenix anti-roll design is only 2.22 times better. 😀
LD10 low is 9 lumens and because thats emitter lumens is it like only 6-7 lumens OTF?
Anyway I agree that the Quark low low is handy, but the preflash is not.

Perhaps when 4sevens QC gets as good as with Fenix, they get more resellers and more attention from the average users.

 

[Warp]

No doubt for some people having a low that is too low for their needs means that they have to step through an unwanted mode, making the UI more clumsy than necessary.

Which is one reason the programmable UI of the Tactical models is so appealing.

You can select any output you want as the initial primary (head tightened) or initial secondary (head loosened). 🙂







Time will tell. I've been a Fenix man for awhile now. Ever since both of my Surefires AND my Inova all three failed, and without even being used hard. My Fenix lights take a beating and keep on trucking, though.

I carried a P1 on my keychain for awhile then upgraded to a P1D-Q5. I've had a P3D in my pocket as EDC for 2.5 years. My wife has an E01 on her kaychain and I used to as well, until I added a leatherman and decided two keychain lights of that size was too much. I gifted my dad a P1CE and my mom an LD01, E01 and L2T V2.0.

It is a significant step, I would say, for me to go Quark over Fenix at this point. But I don't see any worthwhile reason NOT to give it a try.

 

[the.Mtn.Man]

Fenix PD30 anti-roll design works 100x better than the Quark clip....

Hey? How do you figure? It's impossible for a Quark light to roll around with the clip attached, so I'm not sure how an alternative design would work "100x better". 😕

 

[the.Mtn.Man]

No doubt for some people having a low that is too low for their needs means that they have to step through an unwanted mode, making the UI more clumsy than necessary.

It's only a quick push of the switch to move to the next output which could hardly be called a clumsy UI. It's not like you click once for moonlight, double click for low, triple click for medium, etc. Now that would be clumsy!

Curiously, I expected moonlight to be my least used mode, so I just accepted the fact that I would have to click past it to get to low and medium. After carrying my Quark for several months, I've actually found moonlight to be my most used mode! I think the utility of moonlight mode might surprise some people.

 

[NutSAK]

Hey? How do you figure? It's impossible for a Quark light to roll around with the clip attached, so I'm not sure how an alternative design would work "100x better". 😕

See post #83 and resulting discussion.

 

[LeifUK]

It's only a quick push of the switch to move to the next output which could hardly be called a clumsy UI. It's not like you click once for moonlight, double click for low, triple click for medium, etc. Now that would be clumsy!

That is your opinion. Others may disagree.

Actually I find my Fenix tail button clumsy, as it is too hard to half press especially when wearing gloves. Others may disagree. I will soon find out how the Quark compares.

 

[Egsise]

For outdoors the TK20 forward clicky works ok, and the rubber grip is just great.

 

[the.Mtn.Man]

See post #83 and resulting discussion.

Yeah, I saw that silliness after posting my comment. Oh well.

 

[Egsise]

Another is just a clip, the other is anti-roll design so it's like comparing apple to orange juice carton.
Other one rolls but stops eventually, other is designed not to roll.

 

[carrot]

I don't understand, do people actually set their lights down on their sides? When I put a light down on a flat surface it is always either bezel down or tail down.

 

[JaguarDave-in-Oz]

When I put a light down on a flat surface it is always either bezel down or tail down.

No way that would work at my place. It would get knocked over in half a heartbeat. All mine go on their sides but even then they get knocked or bumped into each other or rolled/thrown onto the floor by one of my playful cockatoos.

 

[LeifUK]

Another is just a clip, the other is anti-roll design so it's like comparing apple to orange juice carton.
Other one rolls but stops eventually, other is designed not to roll.

I don't like clips, and they interfere with my use, so after I remove the clip the torch will roll around merrily. I just don't think designers can cater for everyone, and they need a range of products.

 

[Egsise]

I Agree, thats a personal preference.
I don't ever use the clip, but I do use my lights on their side most of the time.
In the shelf they are bezel down.