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holmes200

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Hello, I just registered for this site, and have filled out the info form below which I found in the sticky note.

To sum it up, I want it to ideally run on 1 or 2 AA's, but AAA's are OK too. I will be using Eneloops. I would like it to have a fairly white light, not yellow. I'm coming from a maglite background but have been reading a bit about these flashlights which should do much better. The max price of $25 includes shipping. A sub $20 price is even better. Also even though a narrow beam is most important to me, I would like it to have an adjustable beam, I don't think I saw that option in the list below. Direct links to buy are helpful but not required. I'm in Australia so ones with free international shipping are the best. eBay is fine too. I'm not too picky so don't need to hear a dozen recommendations, just the standard typical favourite one that meets this criteria is fine. I'd like it to last awhile so I would like decent build quality, although I do look after all my stuff carefully. Oh, and I DON'T want a flashlight that has poor contacts, so it often flickers like the battery has a poor contact. I already have ones that do that, and I can't stand it.
I have done a bit of reading around, and saw the Trustfire S-A2 which looked like it could be a close match, although I don't know that it is adjustable.

Thanks for your help! Looking forward to hearing from all the experts on here.


1) How would you prefer to purchase the light?

____I would like to purchase the light in person from a brick and mortar store. I am located in ______________.
_X___This will be mail-order or Online (location doesn't matter).


2) Budget: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :)

____I don't know yet
__X__Up to $25.
____Up to $50.
____Up to $100.
____Up to $200.
____Up to $300.
____Essentially unlimited.


3) Format:

____I am not sure, please help me decide.
__X__I want a flashlight (hand held/self contained).
____I want a self-contained headlamp.
____I want a headlamp with an external pack/power source.
____I want a mounted light (typically for a bicycle or vehicle)
____I want a lantern/area light.
____I want a portable spotlight (it may have an external power source).
____Other ____________________________________________


4) Size:

____MICRO - Keychain size.
_X___TINY - Every day carry (2-4 inches).
_X__SMALL - Every day carry (4-7 inches).
____MEDIUM - Holster/belt ring carry. (>7 inches)
____LARGE - Big enough to need its own travel case.
____I don't know/I don't care.


5) Emitter/Light source:

_X___LED (known for efficiency, longevity, and compactness)
____Incandescent (known for superior color rendition)
____HID (known for max output, but often at the expense of size)
____I don't know.


6) Manufacturer:

_X___I want to buy a light from a large/traditional manufacturer that is ready to go out of the box.
____I would like a light from a specialty manufacturer (Possibly limited run/Custom).
____I am interested in assembling my own components. (for example a "host" or flashlight body from one manufacturer, and a "drop-in" emitter from another source).


7) What power source do you want to use?

____I intend to use "Primary"/Disposable Alkaline batteries based on the usual AAA/AA/C/D sized cells common to most stores.
____I intend to use "Primary"/Disposable Lithium batteries based on the usual AAA/AA/C/D and CR123 sized cells common to most stores (often a cold weather or long storage choice).
__X__I intend to use Rechargeable cells (NiMH or NiCD) based on the usual AAA/AA/C/D sized cells common to most stores.
____I intend to use Rechargeable cells based on less common formats (18500 or 18650 Li-Ion, RCR123, et-al).
____I want a light with an integrated rechargeable battery pack.
____I don't know/I need more information on power sources.

7a) If you have selected a rechargeable option
____I want a light that plugs directly into the wall (literally with prongs built into the light)
____I want a light that has a recharging adapter (your typical "wall wart")
____I want a light that snaps into a cradle (usually mounted on a wall)
____I want a separate/stand-alone charger (this involves removing the batteries to charge)
____I don't care


8) How much genuine out the front (OTF) light do you want/need? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is not a happy experience).

____I want to navigate a dark room or read a map (1-10 lumens).
____I want an indoor "blackout" light (15-50 lumens)
____I want to confidently walk around an unlit/unpaved rural area (60-150 lumens).
__X__I want to illuminate my entire backyard or a campsite (150-300 lumens).
____I want to illuminate an entire field, the neighbor's front yard several houses down, impress my friends and neighbors, etc. (300-700 lumens).
____I want search and rescue type illumination (800+ lumens).

__X__SPECIAL NOTE: Burst/Turbo mode Category - There are several lights that will run at a super bright maximum for a very limited period (usually 5-10 minutes) and then will "step-down" to a lower level for thermal control. Check here if this is acceptable.


9) Flood vs Throw: Flood covers an area, Throw reaches out to a distance.

____All Flood: I am doing "arms length" tasks like reading and campsite cooking.
____Wide Flood: I want a defined flood area for semi-close tasks like after-dark campsite tasks or working on a car.
_X___Narrow Flood: I want a sharply defined flood area that will project some distance for tasks like trail walking.
____Wide Throw: I want a beam with a noticeable hot-center for distance throw and a significant amount of "side-spill". Good for rough trail hiking, search and rescue, and general distance work.
_X___Narrow Throw: I want a beam with a very tight "hot center" and minimal "side-spill". Good for distance viewing, fog, and looking through dense undergrowth.
____Turbohead: I want a far-distance projector with a sharply focused spot of light and minimal or zero side-spill. Good for extreme distance and impressing your friends.

9a) Distance: How far away will you typically need to see with this light (check all that apply)
____Less than 1 yard/meter (reading, other close work)
____Less than 5 yards/meters (looking for something inside a dark shed/garage/basement)
____5-20 yards/meters (check out a noise in the backyard)
__X__30-50 yards/meters (I have a big backyard)
____50-150 yards/meters (I live in a very rural area/farm with wide open spaces)
____150+ yards (I am searching from a helicopter)

10) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims, but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries (Measured on maximum continuous output).

____Up to 30 minutes (I want the brightest [and potentially smallest] light for brief periods)
__X__30-60 minutes (I have plenty of batteries just ready to be changed)
__X__90-120 minutes (Runtime is moderately important, but still not critical)
____3 hours + (I critically need this light to run on max for extended periods in between battery changes/charges).




11) Durability/Usage: Generally the old phrase "you get what you pay for" is very accurate for flashlights.

____Not Important (A "night-stand" light).
__X__Slightly Important (Walks around the neighborhood).
____Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box).
____Critical (Police, Fire, Search & Rescue, Caving, Survival).
____I don't know.


12) Switch Size, Type, and location (choose all that apply):

__X__Any size switch will do.
____I need a BIG switch (I'll be using gloves or have very large hands or coordination issues).
____I want a forward clicky (Helpful for momentary activation and signaling).
____I want a reverse clicky (For use with multi-mode/level lights).
____I want a momentary switch (Predominantly for use with signaling and short bursts of momentary light only).
____I want a twisty switch (Tighten the head/tailcap to activate, and the light will stay on until the head/tailcap is loosened).
____I want a body mounted switch (near the head, like on a Maglite).
____I want a tail mounted switch (found on the majority of today's high end lights).
____I want a remote switch (usually found on high-end bicycle headlights)
____I don't care.
____I don't know.
____Other, please specify____________________.


13) User Interface (UI) and mode selection. Select all that apply.

____A simple on-off with only one output level is fine for me.
__X__I want 2 light levels. (Brighter/short runtime and Dimmer/long runtime.)
____I want multiple light levels. (Some lights have 5-16 light levels.)
____I want a programmable light.
____I want a selector ring.
____I want a strobe mode. (Oscillating pattern to confuse/blind aka "Police Mode")
____I want SOS mode. (blinks in ---...--- emergency pattern)
____I want a beacon mode. (Regular flashes at full power to show location.)
____I don't care.
____I don't know.


14)Material/Finish/Coating

____Plastic/composite body (this may limit your choices significantly).
____Anodized Aluminum – either type II or III (Hard Anodized) (Aluminum, specifically HA, is the most common material/finish for today's higher end flashlights).
____Stainless steel (durable, but much heavier than aluminum)
____Titanium (durable and nearly as lightweight as aluminum, but can be moderately to significantly more expensive).
__X__I don't care.
____I don't know.
____Other, please specify____________.

15) Water resistance
____None needed
__X__IPX4 (Splash resistant)
____IPX7 (Waterproof to 1 meter/30min)
____IPX8 (Submersible to greater than 1 meter for 4 hours)

16) Storage conditions
__X__In house (temperature/climate controlled environment)
____Emergency kit (long standby periods)
____Automobile glove-box (wide temperature swings, long standby periods, critical reliability)
____Other_________________________________________ ____


17) Special Needs/extras: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Select any/all below.

____Red filter (for preserving night vision).
____Other filter colors (Amber, Green, Blue, _________).
____Dedicated R/G/B secondary LEDs.
____"Hybrid" light (bright incandescent combined with long running LEDs)
____Pocket/belt clip
____Holster
____Wrist/Neck Lanyard
____Crenulated bezel
____Non-sparking, Intrinsically Safe (IS) for use in explosive environments
 

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A mini maglight led, or a mini maglight Pro+ is/are the only lights that I can think of that check off all of your boxes.

I personally would not recommend the mini maglight Pro with its single high output, but the other two mentioned have Two output levels.
 

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The Tank007 E09 is one of the throwiest AAA lights out there and is under your budget. Many consider the E09 a very good value light and you can search for some detailed reviews and threads in CPF. I have one and run it with a li-ion, but it should still meet your needs with an Eneloop. Another light to consider is the ThruNite Ti2, which is another AAA light. Not as throwy, but meets some of the other original requirements. These may not have the lumens you are looking for, but I'm not sure that you'll find them at your budget level. The Xeno E03 is an AA light that might also fit your needs. The XL-L2 version will be floody, but you may be able to find an XP-G2 or XP-E version that has more throw.
 
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I'd spend $20 for a Solarforce host and get a well-made and inexpensive 2 mode Custom Lites drop in Nichia 219- 280 OTF lumens on high. Beautiful PURE white beam that also gives some throw. Dave will do 2 modes if you want it. I should know....I have one. lol.

That would be my recommendation. Also pick up a cheap Cytac 3400mAH 18650 battery and Nitecore charger.

You are NOT going to illuminate your back yard with a AA light......

In the end you will just move up to the standard in size and quality run time with a 18650 light, anyway. ;).
 
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mcnair55

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Well yeah, but which ones will meet all of his other requirements? Budget is only ONE of many of his preferences.


That is the whole idea,he knows what he wants and a quick visit to either store will have him walking out with something decent if he takes the time to read the blister packs or box.And a nice saving of $$dollars to boot means happy days.;)
 

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I'd spend $20 for a Solarforce host and get a well-made and inexpensive 2 mode Custom Lites drop in Nichia 219- 280 OTF lumens on high. Beautiful PURE white beam that also gives some throw. Dave will do 2 modes if you want it. I should know....I have one. lol.

That would be my recommendation. Also pick up a cheap Cytac 3400mAH 18650 battery and Nitecore charger.

You are NOT going to illuminate your back yard with a AA light......

In the end you will just move up to the standard in size and quality run time with a 18650 light, anyway. ;).

Plenty of lights i own in AA cell can illuminate my huge back yard with no problems at all and 18650 only suit some users and although i use said fuel not really keen on the messing about of not been able to buy in a brick and concrete shop.messing about buying on line is a pain in the butt.
 

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Hey mcnair, you keep suggesting people just go to a local store and get something. This seems like an odd recommendation to receive at a flashaholic's forum. Anybody can go to a store, look at specs, and walk out with a light that's only got a 50% chance of not being a total POS.

Do you have any actual lights to recommend, to eliminate the risk? I'm gonna go to Wal-Mart after dinner to buy some laundry detergent. I will go to their flashlight section to see what wondrous product they offer.
 
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holmes200

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Hello, thanks everyone for comments and suggestions.

I'm a little confused - what particular criteria in my spec request makes it hard to match? I don't know anything about 18650, but assume it's some sort of better battery. I am open to looking at a flashlight using it, but I would prefer AA. I agree with one poster, I was fairly sure a AA battery powered flashlight could handle seeing anywhere in the backyard. I have a 1 watt LED flashlight that takes 3xAAA, and it illuminates quite a long way, but has problems with flickering due to poor battery connection, which I can't seem to fix.

And there was an implication that my budget wasn't big enough, which confuses me since I have been seeing these LED flashlights advertised for well under $20. For example, the Trustfire I mentioned, I think it met quite a few of my criteria (I'm not sure if all, it was just one that I saw), and it's not expensive. Also I see flashlights like this on eBay that seem to have plenty of lumens and aren't expensive (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CREE-Q5-...Camping_Hiking_Tools&var=&hash=item20de84d22f). What's wrong with those flashlights listed in that sale on eBay? So was there a particular criteria that was making it hard to match a flashlight? I'm wanting to learn more about it as well as find the right light.

Thank you.
 

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Hey mcnair, you keep suggesting people just go to a local store and get something. This seems like an odd recommendation to receive at a flashaholic's forum. Anybody can go to a store, look at specs, and walk out with a light that's only got a 50% chance of not being a total POS.

Do you have any actual lights to recommend, to eliminate the risk? I'm gonna go to Wal-Mart after dinner to buy some laundry detergent. I will go to their flashlight section to see what wondrous product they offer.

That is the whole point of a forum,you read all the advice given.You throw away the bits that you feel mean nothing and vote with your wallet.I started in the hobby buying lights recommended by the anoraks and once i was armed up with plenty of facts,i went on a voyage of discovery and by using the abundance of trade stores we have in the UK i can buy decent lights at trade prices and not hobby prices.

No point me suggesting a light as I live in the UK and not the US&A.

I see no point suggesting this that and the other as it is the same question every waking day of the week and the same answers every day of the week to boot.Mr Google could be a good friend to many if they decided to use it rather than the bone idle approach by many.

My favourite post ending which cracks me up is

Thanks for all your replies but i have bought such and such(which was not even mentioned):grin2:

Or another good un.

My wife needs a small light for her purse and within no time at all she is a candidate for the latest 007 movie.Even a DIY shop in the UK would stock a perfectly good AAA/AA light more than suitable for a lady and for a fraction of the cost of silly suggested lights.
 
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I figured the same brands or even lights would be for sale in both the US and the UK.

I definitely agree that when individuals take the time to start a thread asking for help, and are given tons of good advice, that the least they can do is use it.

I'm actually standing at the light section in Wal-Mart right now, and am going to walk out with something.
 

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I figured the same brands or even lights would be for sale in both the US and the UK.

I definitely agree that when individuals take the time to start a thread asking for help, and are given tons of good advice, that the least they can do is use it.

I'm actually standing at the light section in Wal-Mart right now, and am going to walk out with something.


Lucky you as we have no Walmart here but i have had some cracking deals in Costco.
 

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That is the whole idea,he knows what he wants and a quick visit to either store will have him walking out with something decent if he takes the time to read the blister packs or box.And a nice saving of $$dollars to boot means happy days.;)

Maybe the OP can chime in here, but I'd bet that he had already been to a walmart, or kmart or another department store, and wasn't happy with the selection, or realized that they didn't carry every brand and every model. The blister packs almost never describe the width of the beam or particular suitability for a particular task. He came here for a recommendation, perhaps a few specific recommendations.

It just so happens that the walmart in my area does carry the mini maglight, and the mini maglight pro, but NOT the mini maglight pro+ (which BTW would quite possibly be his better choice of the three). So if he just nipped on over to the local walmart, he may not even know that the pro+ even existed.

The walmart in my area carries two penlights, a rayovac with a single output of about 11 lumens of ugly blue for about $10 and the Preon 2 for about $50. If he wanted a AAA penlight, I'd recommend the DQG S2 AAA penlight XP-G2 15 lm and 120 lm in a beautiful neutral white for $19.00

It is my understanding that Walmart and home depot can often go to a manufacturer and tell them how much they are willing to pay for an item - period. Further, it is my understanding, the perhaps, largest bar-b-que grill manufacturer, in the US, made special order grills for home depot with cast iron grill surfaces so that HD could sell them cheaper. Anywhere else those grills were made with stainless steel, or enameled steel grilling surfaces. The point being, that sometimes you might get a product cheaper, and it might be a more cheaply made product.

So tell me... really, do you really think that a person who knows exactly what he wants has not gone to the most likely places to find it first, before going online to a forum to ask for a recommendation? And the best recommendation is to go to walmart? Really?

Come on man... you can do better. You've been in the business long enough to know how to answer specific requests. You've also been around the block long enough to know that a flooder is better for bending over and picking up dog poop, while a thrower is better for scaring geese. There are times when specific recommendations are more appropriate. You should also know that the info on the blister packs is not always all that informative.

So why not share the knowledge that you have gained, and make specific recommendations when they ask for one?
 

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Plenty of lights i own in AA cell can illuminate my huge back yard with no problems at all
Really? Please name a few. I have a single AA light that will barely do my front lawn, and a 2*AA light that will reach the neighbors house across the street, but not with a wide path to it. I'd love to get a AA light that would light a HUGE back yard.
and 18650 only suit some users and although i use said fuel not really keen on the messing about of not been able to buy in a brick and concrete shop.messing about buying on line is a pain in the butt.

I agree to an extent, but on the other hand the 18650 battery only needs to be replaced every five years or so, and with a credit card, or paypal account they are easily purchased online and delivered right to your door. Really, not that big of a deal after you have your first few and a charger.
 

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Maybe the OP can chime in here, but I'd bet that he had already been to a walmart, or kmart or another department store, and wasn't happy with the selection, or realized that they didn't carry every brand and every model. The blister packs almost never describe the width of the beam or particular suitability for a particular task. He came here for a recommendation, perhaps a few specific recommendations.

It just so happens that the walmart in my area does carry the mini maglight, and the mini maglight pro, but NOT the mini maglight pro+ (which BTW would quite possibly be his better choice of the three). So if he just nipped on over to the local walmart, he may not even know that the pro+ even existed.

The walmart in my area carries two penlights, a rayovac with a single output of about 11 lumens of ugly blue for about $10 and the Preon 2 for about $50. If he wanted a AAA penlight, I'd recommend the DQG S2 AAA penlight XP-G2 15 lm and 120 lm in a beautiful neutral white for $19.00

It is my understanding that Walmart and home depot can often go to a manufacturer and tell them how much they are willing to pay for an item - period. Further, it is my understanding, the perhaps, largest bar-b-que grill manufacturer, in the US, made special order grills for home depot with cast iron grill surfaces so that HD could sell them cheaper. Anywhere else those grills were made with stainless steel, or enameled steel grilling surfaces. The point being, that sometimes you might get a product cheaper, and it might be a more cheaply made product.

So tell me... really, do you really think that a person who knows exactly what he wants has not gone to the most likely places to find it first, before going online to a forum to ask for a recommendation? And the best recommendation is to go to walmart? Really?

Come on man... you can do better. You've been in the business long enough to know how to answer specific requests. You've also been around the block long enough to know that a flooder is better for bending over and picking up dog poop, while a thrower is better for scaring geese. There are times when specific recommendations are more appropriate. You should also know that the info on the blister packs is not always all that informative.

So why not share the knowledge that you have gained, and make specific recommendations when they ask for one?

I use the Walmart and Costco term off the cuff as a UK fella i am not up to speed with known stores like you chaps.I literally scour trade stores the type of place where professional users buy there kit ie tools supplies etc.Some named here that can be ok are the likes of Screwfix-Machine Mart etc.My son got me a cracking light running on 18650 from his very own builders supply employer known as Defender light.

Really? Please name a few. I have a single AA light that will barely do my front lawn, and a 2*AA light that will reach the neighbors house across the street, but not with a wide path to it. I'd love to get a AA light that would light a HUGE back yard.


I agree to an extent, but on the other hand the 18650 battery only needs to be replaced every five years or so, and with a credit card, or paypal account they are easily purchased online and delivered right to your door. Really, not that big of a deal after you have your first few and a charger.

My Fenix LD41 does a good job and my Nitecore EA8 is not shabby either.My little LD10 is no slouch on a single AA.For a cheap store bought light i am well pleased with my Terralux.
 
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I use the Walmart and Costco term off the cuff as a UK fella i am not up to speed with known stores like you chaps.I literally scour trade stores the type of place where professional users buy there kit ie tools supplies etc.Some named here that can be ok are the likes of Screwfix-Machine Mart etc.My son got me a cracking light running on 18650 from his very own builders supply employer known as Defender light.



My Fenix LD41 does a good job and my Nitecore EA8 is not shabby either.My little LD10 is no slouch on a single AA.For a cheap store bought light i am well pleased with my Terralux.

Ah yes... how do they say? "The Devil is in the Details."

The OP original poster wants a 1 or 2 cell AA light or AAA light.
Stonehouse13 responded with "You are NOT going to illuminate your back yard with a AA light......"
TO which you replied... "Plenty of lights i own in AA cell can illuminate my huge back yard with no problems at all"
Yet when asked to clarify, you mention three specific lights, none of which are likely to be found at walmart, and range in price from $50 to $100. Also, one little detail left out is that the LD41 takes FOUR AA batteries, and the EA8 takes EIGHT AA batteries! I can't comment on the Terralux because you didn't mention the specific model number, and they make lights that range in price from $10 to $200.

Not everyone is a salesman to trade stores where they get a discount, and last time I went to an electrical supply house as "joe public" they had a box of those crappy 3*AAA 9 led lights on the counter. Tools they had on display were not particularly inexpensive.

I don't shop at Costco. I am not about to PAY a membership fee for the privilege of buying in bulk. Therefore I can't comment on which lights they carry.

The OP is looking for a 1 or 2 cell AA or AAA light that is dependable, has an adjustable focus, has two modes (high and low), with a cool white/white tint, for less than $25. If you can find that at Costco, please let us know, and tell us what it is. As I stated earlier, the only light that I know of that meets those requirements is the Mini Maglight Pro+
 

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Hello, thanks everyone for comments and suggestions.

I'm a little confused - what particular criteria in my spec request makes it hard to match? I don't know anything about 18650, but assume it's some sort of better battery. I am open to looking at a flashlight using it, but I would prefer AA. I agree with one poster, I was fairly sure a AA battery powered flashlight could handle seeing anywhere in the backyard.<snip>

And there was an implication that my budget wasn't big enough, which confuses me since I have been seeing these LED flashlights advertised for well under $20. For example, the Trustfire I mentioned,<SNIP>
Thank you.

Zoomable lights, typically don't get a lot of respect around here. So your narrow to wide beam requirement is the challenge especially in that price range. A quality zoomie is more in the $100-$300 range, and even at that is rarely recommended.

One light that does get a lot of press is the Sipik 68. You might want to read through the following two links.
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb...nexpensive-little-AA-light-Sipik68-amp-Clones


http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?369699-The-quot-New-quot-Sipik-SK51

It seems that SureFire lights are well respected, but not so much the other xxxFire labels.
 

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Hello, thanks everyone for comments and suggestions.

Also I see flashlights like this on eBay that seem to have plenty of lumens and aren't expensive (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CREE-Q5-...Camping_Hiking_Tools&var=&hash=item20de84d22f). What's wrong with those flashlights listed in that sale on eBay? So was there a particular criteria that was making it hard to match a flashlight? I'm wanting to learn more about it as well as find the right light.

On your link No2


Not a bad light,cheap and cheap is what you get,zooms,floods and eats AA cells which you prefer.
I guess if you want to spend around $7 then this is the way to go...

Can be found for less too,but there are no specific brand,iirc sipik sk68 is the better one,there are all kinds of clones of clones of clones..........
[h=1][/h]Bang for buck and zoomable,hard to beat;)
 

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