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Could someone recommend a good 123 non-rechargeable battery for my upcoming Rotary. I don't want to put junk batteries in it and damage the light if that's possible.
Also, it says on Henry's website not to use Lithium Iron Phosphate Batteries, are these easy to confuse with 123 batteries I should be using?

Thank you guys for your time. I enjoy reading all your input on these acclaimed lights.

Cheers.
 
My 200 Clicky came with a Duracell battery installed. Battery Station cells are also regarded highly, as well as Surefire (naturally).

Both Duracell and Battery Station cells can be purchased directly from the HDS website.
 
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Yeah I don't need a clip.... Although the clip looks like it will work fine. just never liked using clips on my flashlight

I prefer the lanyard 🙂

 
Could someone recommend a good 123 non-rechargeable battery for my upcoming Rotary. I don't want to put junk batteries in it and damage the light if that's possible.
Also, it says on Henry's website not to use Lithium Iron Phosphate Batteries, are these easy to confuse with 123 batteries I should be using?

Thank you guys for your time. I enjoy reading all your input on these acclaimed lights.

Cheers.

I've had good luck with Duracell, Everready, Surefire, Battery Station, Tenergy, and Toshiba. You can save a considerable amount by buying in bulk. Even the major name brands can be had for about $1 a cell if you shop carefully and buy in quantity (40+).
 
I like Panasonic cr123s, had the best luck with them. After that I go with SF Batteries and then Duracell.
 
Could someone recommend a good 123 non-rechargeable battery for my upcoming Rotary. I don't want to put junk batteries in it and damage the light if that's possible.
Also, it says on Henry's website not to use Lithium Iron Phosphate Batteries, are these easy to confuse with 123 batteries I should be using?

Thank you guys for your time. I enjoy reading all your input on these acclaimed lights.

Cheers.

I always use SureFire batteries in my HDS and Surefire lights. Duracell is fine too but usually more expensive and I see no reason to use it. You can compare SureFire, Duracell, Panasonic and Energizer by buying one or two from batteryjunction.com. Two pack Surefire is under $4, the rest are about $2 each. Don't buy many before you choose which one to use regularly. I don't deal with batterystation and their batteries because they don't reply to my questions.
Lithium Iron Phosphate are rechargeable batteries, forget about them with HDS lights. They do work with SureFire lights, not sure with all of them or not.
 
I was talking about clicky not rotary.
1. I can click very fast but the light can't really keep up, it "thinks" a little too long before acting.
2. Quadruple click would be perfectly fine. In fact, newest lights have the locator beam or something like that on this setting. You cannot re-configure it though.
3. and 4. It doesn't really matter to me especially 4.
 
RE: Rotary brightness control on the EDC Tactical

It's already being worked on. It's the next step in evolution for the Tactical.

Hogo, any chance we could get a rough time frame? I'm itching to order one but I don't want to miss out if this feature is going to be implemented soon.
 
just a comment on henry and hds lights. ive owed three a 140 clicky i got directly from henry and two 170s i purchased from the marketplace. one of the 170's (which was actually a 140 had the p4 led) never worked right. furthermore i completely destroyed the threads on the reflector i sent it back in December to hds to see if he could fix it and i would of course buy a new reflector and lens (which i lost). he sent me a email a few days ago saying he was able to duplicate the problem that i was having. Henry completely warrantied the light even though i had destroyed the reflector and lost the lens. that is a man that stands behind his products. i mean that one wasn't even purchased from him. crazy good customer service. on a side note does anyone have pics of the 170 neutral outdoor beam shots?
 
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Hogo, any chance we could get a rough time frame? I'm itching to order one but I don't want to miss out if this feature is going to be implemented soon.

8 to 12 months is my best guess. And it won't be exactly as was written, but improvements on it are being worked on.
 
Even though I am not a clip guy, I do understand some of the concerns over the Rotary clip design. In fact, when I first saw it, I started suggesting things to Henry...
The problem with drilled holes in the heads, like what used to be on the lights, is that some hated them (non clip folks) and were rather vocal about it. While it would be possible to have both drilled and non-drilled heads, HDS just isn't ready for that yet. We are having enough issues just keeping up with production (though this is getting much better) we certainly don't want to have it become such a major issue again. I can't say that the option will never be available, but I wouldn't hold my breath until all supply issues are completely sorted out and we are shipping as soon as orders come in.

I suggested a bezel that was drilled and tapped, however there just isn't the thickness in the bezel to do this. I'll be suggesting a modified bezel that could accomplish this with holes deep enough to support a strong clip, and see what Henry says.

On another note, I did suggest a stainless steel tail cap simply for durability, and Henry is contemplating this now. He did say it CAN be done, but that doesn't mean it WILL be done.

One more note: Some folks have called Henry and asked him directly about possible things in the future that you have read here. I'm posting here so that Henry does not get these calls interrupting his day. HDS is a one man show, well, 1.1 man as I'm only helping him out and probably giving me 10% is over exaggerating. I can guarantee that you can get more info from me than from Henry, as he will not even hint at what MAY be in the future. I do choose my words rather carefully, so if you don't know the difference between "Possible" and "Probable", please check a dictionary. I don't want to be like some other U.S. based companies that says X is coming out with these attributes, then have to wait two years to see it not happen.
I've been posting here so that I can give you an idea of what is being worked on, what MAY be POSSIBLE, and to try and keep folks updated on releases. I've been following the thread and I keep Henry updated on what is being discussed and what your ideas are to help improve the light. Henry does not have time for this. Trust me when I say that his plate is FULL. That and if he does have some free time, I would much rather he continues to innovate than answer questions.
I understand that folks want straight answers to questions like "Is X being worked on and when will it be released?" but there are times when I cannot answer that question either because I don't know OR it is something that HDS (Henry) does not want known at the current time. I can say that new models and UI's will not be introduced until thorough testing is done, then and only then will it be released. As an example, I am currently beta testing a new UI, but that UI won't come out for MAYBE a year (no, I can't tell you what it is, as if it fails, it won't be released). It does take time to make sure there are no issues with it and it works as it should. Henry is not happy with a 1% failure rate. One in 10,000 pisses him off (yes, I've heard him say that!) But this is what makes his lights so good.

Oh, and if Henry thinks I'm giving too much info and hinting too much, info will get cut. I don't think any of us want that.

Now, time for me to put the finishing touches on a Double Buscadero for a customer in Wisconsin.
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Thanks for the information you have given, I totally understand his work load and contact him when only necessary.
 
Hogokansatsukan,

Thanks again for your updates and information, it's appreciated. In regards to clips, somewhere deep in this thread (or maybe the previous one) there is a member that mounted a pocket clip under the bezel. The bezel secured the clip tight the way the clicky tail cap secures the clip with the only issue being the LED/reflector alignment. With a slight bezel modification this seem to be an easy fix and good clip option, is there something I'm missing that makes this option a bad choice? The only thing I see is changing the clip exposes the LED/reflector to dirt and dust, just curious what you think.
 
Hogokansatsukan,

Thanks again for your updates and information, it's appreciated. In regards to clips, somewhere deep in this thread (or maybe the previous one) there is a member that mounted a pocket clip under the bezel. The bezel secured the clip tight the way the clicky tail cap secures the clip with the only issue being the LED/reflector alignment. With a slight bezel modification this seem to be an easy fix and good clip option, is there something I'm missing that makes this option a bad choice? The only thing I see is changing the clip exposes the LED/reflector to dirt and dust, just curious what you think.

That does seem to be the best solution with the clip resting just off the Rotary tail. I'll bring it up to Henry and see what he thinks.
 
That would also allow for a two-way clip like the Surefire E-Series clips. (Only a little sturdier 😗)
 
OK. More info.

Putting the clip under the bezel as the light current exists, will allow the reflector to move around and also not let the bezel seal like it should for water tightness. From what Henry stated, the way it is currently designed, there is a ledge in there to help the light withstand an impact from the side as well. It's much more complicated than one would think, at least I thought.
I ran the other idea about perhaps having the bezel made in a different way with an attachment point for the clip. This would involve the bezel being milled rather than on a lathe and would increase cost. I'll still push this option... gently, and see where it goes.
Now, on a more positive note, Henry did state that he would be happy to give any modder the info required if they wished to drill and tap holes into the head without destroying the head. This would give folks the option of sending it to someone to have those clip holes put into their light. As I recall, someone posted earlier that they would be willing to do this, but I have forgotten who it was. You see, when I get information, my hard drive between my ears is not at all very large and I must dump previous information so that it will hold the new stuff. My CPU isn't what it used to be and upgrading isn't an option.:shakehead
 
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I had an idea about the clip design I thought I might share.

What about attaching a clip to a collar clamp. The collar clamp could then attach to the small diameter of the flashlight just under the tail cap. Then outside diameter of the clamp could be made the same size as the tail cap, maybe also add knurling and anodizing. This way no changes need to be made to the flashlight itself. Also, this would not effect the one handed use of the flashlight when adjusting the rotary cap.




Just a thought. I'm adding a link to the kind of clamp I am talking about. I'm having a tough time adding a picture.
 
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